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Postby Republic of Wijaya » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:44 pm

Olerand wrote:
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Yes you are right, but we can prevent this right ? So we can minimize the number of victim.
And where the France Police at tragedy ?

No, we cannot prevent someone from driving a truck into a crowd.

Um... There. But the police can't form a human child to stop an unforeseen truck attack on a crowd.


Oh, I remmember. That Truck carry a Explosife and Drive has a Gun, France Intel must be tracking this Explosife before this happen

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Postby Dameth » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:44 pm

Olerand wrote:Being a French identitaire and firing on French people watching the fireworks on July 14th are, however. This isn't a left-wing summer camp, this is people celebrating France.


This. You can rest assured this guy was not a right wing activist, at least not of the nationalist type. It's totally out of the debate.
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Postby IndependentGreenland » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:45 pm

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IndependentGreenland wrote:Yes they were. They wanted Norwegians to interbreed (or should I say be raped by) and mix with Somalis, Afghans and other Muslim ethnicities.

You're delusional, I should've noticed you're a Nazi before even attempting to respond to your claims.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:45 pm

Olerand wrote:
Stucco Houses wrote:And the Bible and years of doctrine and history tell Christians and Jews to do the same thing. The point isn't in the texts or teachings just as it isn't in the police code, people are being killed because of poverty, prejudice, and misinformation.

People are being killed because they can't read this 1400 year old book with some critical judgment and thought. That's what happens when your book is divinely revealed.

Basing your morality on books from over a millennia or two ago is a bad idea? Say it ain't so.

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Postby Stucco Houses » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:45 pm

Olerand wrote:
Stucco Houses wrote:And the Bible and years of doctrine and history tell Christians and Jews to do the same thing. The point isn't in the texts or teachings just as it isn't in the police code, people are being killed because of poverty, prejudice, and misinformation.

People are being killed because they can't read this 1400 year old book with some critical judgment and thought. That's what happens when your book is divinely revealed.

People are being killed because they live in squalor, desperation, and bigotry. The religion makes it easier.

Heard of Irish territory much since political and economic stability came back? It's about situations.
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Postby Liriena » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:45 pm

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Liriena wrote:Horrifying. Just saw the current number of fatal victims. I hope that no more will die.

Do we know anything about the driver?

French of Tunisian descent. Man, 31 years old.

No info on his motivations or potential allegiances yet, I take it?
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:46 pm

Westoropa wrote:Also, I doubt there is a difference between french and white nationalism.

Given that there are Frenchmen who aren't white, you're objectively wrong.

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Postby New Jerzylvania » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:46 pm

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Liriena wrote:Horrifying. Just saw the current number of fatal victims. I hope that no more will die.

Do we know anything about the driver?

31 years old and Tunisian, supposedly.


He was born in France?
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Postby Mefpan » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:46 pm

I just fucking woke up and I hear of another round of terrorist attacks first thing in the bloody morning.

And I've got to go to work so I can't even go back to bed and strike this sodding day from my calendar.

I'm fucking sick of it. Can I please be physically moved to live several decades in the past?
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Postby Maichuko » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:46 pm

I guess continuous Islamic terror attacks in western Europe have left me cynical because now I immediately assume the attackers are Muslim and am always proven correct.
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Postby Saiwania » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:46 pm

Al Qaeda is actually smarter than ISIS and more moderate relatively speaking. That is why ISIS has split from the group, which has apparently broken all 7 of their rules for "successful Jihad." We should rather have Al Qaeda as an enemy than ISIS, because at least they could be contained.

Al Qaeda's rules for effective terrorism were thus:

1. Don't fight civil wars.
2. Don't kill civilians.
3. Don't flaunt your bloodlust.
4. Don't rule harshly.
5. Don't claim territory unless you can feed the people.
6. Don't fight your allies.
7. Don't alarm your enemies prematurely.

This article goes into detail about how ISIS has broken all of it and will pretty much come and go just as fast as the TEA party. The raid on Osama Bin Laden's house uncovered many letters and directives about what was going wrong within Islamic fundamentalism from Al Qaeda's perspective. They were dismayed that their affiliates couldn't govern because they had too much brutality which they recognize as folly.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Olerand wrote:French of Tunisian descent. Man, 31 years old.

No info on his motivations or potential allegiances yet, I take it?

Nothing I can find using English sources.

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Postby Olerand » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:47 pm

Stucco Houses wrote:
Olerand wrote:People are being killed because they can't read this 1400 year old book with some critical judgment and thought. That's what happens when your book is divinely revealed.

People are being killed because they live in squalor, desperation, and bigotry. The religion makes it easier.

Heard of Irish territory much since political and economic stability came back? It's about situations.

:roll: Uh God. The Irish didn't kill each other because of their different interpretations of Mary. Their religious conflict was nationalist in nature. The Protestants wanted to be British, the Catholics Irish. The IRA didn't kill Protestants because they rejected the Pope.
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Postby IndependentGreenland » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:47 pm

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Freefall11111 wrote:31 years old and Tunisian, supposedly.


He was born in France?

One of his parents was probably directly from Tunisia, a bit like how Omar Mateens parent was from Afghanistan.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:47 pm

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:31 years old and Tunisian, supposedly.


He was born in France?

I can't tell. it just says Tunisian.

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Postby The East Marches » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:47 pm

Stucco Houses wrote:
Olerand wrote:People are being killed because they can't read this 1400 year old book with some critical judgment and thought. That's what happens when your book is divinely revealed.

People are being killed because they live in squalor, desperation, and bigotry. The religion makes it easier.

Heard of Irish territory much since political and economic stability came back? It's about situations.


The Irish still get one bomb a week. Its just a bit quieter on the riot side now.
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Postby Stucco Houses » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:47 pm

Mefpan wrote:I just fucking woke up and I hear of another round of terrorist attacks first thing in the bloody morning.

And I've got to go to work so I can't even go back to bed and strike this sodding day from my calendar.

I'm fucking sick of it. Can I please be physically moved to live several decades in the past?

You're aware there was more terrorism in Europe then, yes?
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Postby Eol Sha » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:47 pm

Mefpan wrote:I just fucking woke up and I hear of another round of terrorist attacks first thing in the bloody morning.

And I've got to go to work so I can't even go back to bed and strike this sodding day from my calendar.

I'm fucking sick of it. Can I please be physically moved to live several decades in the past?

So you can live in another time with wars being fought for equally stupid reasons in different places? Sounds wonderful.
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Postby IndependentGreenland » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:48 pm

Olerand wrote:
Stucco Houses wrote:People are being killed because they live in squalor, desperation, and bigotry. The religion makes it easier.

Heard of Irish territory much since political and economic stability came back? It's about situations.

:roll: Uh God. The Irish didn't kill each other because of their different interpretations of Mary. Their religious conflict was nationalist in nature. The Protestants wanted to be British, the Catholics Irish. The IRA didn't kill Protestants because they rejected the Pope.

I'm from Northern Ireland and the IRA/UVF killed each other because of Republicanism/Unionism.
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Postby Stucco Houses » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:48 pm

The East Marches wrote:
Stucco Houses wrote:People are being killed because they live in squalor, desperation, and bigotry. The religion makes it easier.

Heard of Irish territory much since political and economic stability came back? It's about situations.


The Irish still get one bomb a week. Its just a bit quieter on the riot side now.

Source please, and it's definitely less than it used to be.
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Postby Qvircillighi » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:48 pm

*cough* Y'know, I kinda expected more responses about "This incident was horrible, my condolences, etc." while reading through. Unfortunately what I got was a whole load of political stuff. I guess thats just the way NS rolls.

But anyways, my condolences to the families of the injured and victims.

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Postby Minzerland » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:48 pm

Westoropa wrote:
Othelos wrote:Why would a white nationalist drive over a crowd of French people?

Because white nationalists are objectivly speaking more likely to comite such grusome crime. Also, I doubt there is a difference between french and white nationalism.


France (The French etc.) and white nationalism aren't synonymous, m8.
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Postby Olerand » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Olerand wrote:French of Tunisian descent. Man, 31 years old.

No info on his motivations or potential allegiances yet, I take it?

No.

New Jerzylvania wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:31 years old and Tunisian, supposedly.


He was born in France?

We don't know yet.
Saiwania wrote:Al Qaeda is actually smarter than ISIS and more moderate relatively speaking. That is why ISIS has split from the group, which has apparently broken all 7 of their rules for "successful Jihad." We should rather have Al Qaeda as an enemy than ISIS, because at least they could be contained.

Al Qaeda's rules for effective terrorism were thus:

1. Don't fight civil wars.
2. Don't kill civilians.
3. Don't flaunt your bloodlust.
4. Don't rule harshly.
5. Don't claim territory unless you can feed the people.
6. Don't fight your allies.
7. Don't alarm your enemies prematurely.

This article goes into detail about how ISIS has broken all of it and will pretty much come and go just as fast as the TEA party.

It's interesting to see how the rise of the IS has made Al-Qaeda "moderate", so to speak.
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Postby Stucco Houses » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:49 pm

Olerand wrote:
Stucco Houses wrote:People are being killed because they live in squalor, desperation, and bigotry. The religion makes it easier.

Heard of Irish territory much since political and economic stability came back? It's about situations.

:roll: Uh God. The Irish didn't kill each other because of their different interpretations of Mary. Their religious conflict was nationalist in nature. The Protestants wanted to be British, the Catholics Irish. The IRA didn't kill Protestants because they rejected the Pope.

Missed my point, but okay.

My point is that terrorism is a symptom of far more important and pressing matters than the minutiae of religious doctrine.
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Postby Patridam » Thu Jul 14, 2016 8:49 pm

Stucco Houses wrote:And the Bible and years of doctrine and history tell Christians and Jews to do the same thing.


The difference being that Jews and Christians are smart enough to ignore the murdery bits of the old testament using critical thinking, and such interpretations are respected/common. Muslims are apparently not, and are in fact NOT allowed to ignore the murderous bits of the Quran, because part of the Quran's teachings is that it is absolutely perfect in every way and cannot be ignored or revised.

The point is very very much with Islam. Muslims can learn to become peaceful and work against violence as Christians and Jews have, a small minority already has. But Muslims and Islam itself needs to change VASTLY for it to be anything resembling peaceful. The only peace pursuant to even moderate islam is when not only all other religions are dead, but when all other interpretations of islam are dead too.
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