Truck Drives Through Crowd in Nice, France

[Luna Amore]

Good riddance.

That also just proves something: conservatives are real killers and love to fantasize about military

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[Salus Maior]

And you happen to support the Crusades which resulted in deaths on both sides. No wonder nobody is going to like you.

If the crusades didn't happen, we'd all be Muslims...

....I doubt that.

But anyway, I think there's another thread to talk about whether the crusades were justified.

[Souseiseki]

It can also engender a populace receptive to Western, or even just non-fundamentalist, ideas. It happened in Iran and Afghanistan during the Cold War. You just need to do it smartly. Rather than building giant hotels, build schools and hospitals. I have no doubt that blood will be spilt, but, I think, that's how you win the long game against reactionary and fundamentalist forces.

Did it? Iran ended in an Islamist rebellion. The Westernization of Afghanistan was limited to the Kabul bourgeoisie, overthrown by Communists, then overtaken by Islamists. Where has Western support for liberal beliefs ended well in the Middle East?

Hospitals, we can do. But hospitals don't bring about ideological change. Schools do. But we're not there to defend our efforts. The Islamists are there to attack them, and they have nothing else to do.

the revolution in iran was not inherently islamist. that they took over in the end does not make it an "islamist rebellion".

[Dameth]

For the cheap shots : take as many of them as you want. Pee on a french flag. I don't care. I prefer our "allies" to show their true colors from the getgo instead of devolving into a sort of weeping mess like they do every time something happen in my country.

We get shot at because we're fighting, and I for one do not want to stop.

And what country would that be? jailing a nine year old is insane.

France, after Bataclan. Kiddo said to a friend he was siding with the terrorist, teacher called the cops. Good thing the islamists are the only one after our freedom of speech.

[Olerand]

Do people not know how to just say my thoughts are with the victims and their families? Or better yet, say nothing at all as you are not a person of consequence and are unlikely to have been affected so you don't even need to say anything?

People just say that because it's polite to do when people die. That's all. You don't have to know any of the victims to do so.

So just say it. Don't post quotes by MLK about coexistence or cartoons of the Earth looking at itself. What the fuck does that even mean?

[Southeastern Xiatao]

If the crusades didn't happen, we'd all be Muslims...

....I doubt that.

But anyway, I think there's another thread to talk about whether the crusades were justified.

It probably get deleted by mods.

[IndependentGreenland]

If the crusades didn't happen, we'd all be Muslims...

....I doubt that.

But anyway, I think there's another thread to talk about whether the crusades were justified.

Yeah, I guess I'll hop over to that thread. Deus Vult - I mean... Goodbye!

[Southeastern Xiatao]

People just say that because it's polite to do when people die. That's all. You don't have to know any of the victims to do so.

So just say it. Don't post quotes by MLK about coexistence or cartoons of the Earth looking at itself. What the fuck does that even mean?

So Caucasians and Africans shouldn't co-exist?

[Olerand]

Did it? Iran ended in an Islamist rebellion. The Westernization of Afghanistan was limited to the Kabul bourgeoisie, overthrown by Communists, then overtaken by Islamists. Where has Western support for liberal beliefs ended well in the Middle East?

Hospitals, we can do. But hospitals don't bring about ideological change. Schools do. But we're not there to defend our efforts. The Islamists are there to attack them, and they have nothing else to do.

the revolution in iran was not inherently islamist. that they took over in the end does not make it an "islamist rebellion".

It was inevitable that it would be Islamist. Only the Tehran bourgeoisie was clamoring for more civil freedoms. The rest of the country wanted to get rid of the Shah, and to bring back their religious "freedoms".

For the cheap shots : take as many of them as you want. Pee on a french flag. I don't care. I prefer our "allies" to show their true colors from the getgo instead of devolving into a sort of weeping mess like they do every time something happen in my country.

We get shot at because we're fighting, and I for one do not want to stop.

And what country would that be? jailing a nine year old is insane.

France, after Bataclan. Kiddo said to a friend he was siding with the terrorist, teacher called the cops. Good thing the islamists are the only one after our freedom of speech.

It is not freedom of speech in France to support terrorism. This isn't America, fortunately.

[Geilinor]

For the cheap shots : take as many of them as you want. Pee on a french flag. I don't care. I prefer our "allies" to show their true colors from the getgo instead of devolving into a sort of weeping mess like they do every time something happen in my country.

Okay. I take it that you won't say anything if a terrorist attack happens in America then.

[Olerand]

So just say it. Don't post quotes by MLK about coexistence or cartoons of the Earth looking at itself. What the fuck does that even mean?

So Caucasians and Africans shouldn't co-exist?

What the fuck do those quotes mean after a terrorist attack? Coexist with who? The Islamic State? Anyone want to propose that idea to them?

[Zurkerx]

Such a tragedy that occur in France. My condolence go the victims.

[Lupolska]

That wasn't very nice.

it seems the attack was semi successful

[Salus Maior]

For the cheap shots : take as many of them as you want. Pee on a french flag. I don't care. I prefer our "allies" to show their true colors from the getgo instead of devolving into a sort of weeping mess like they do every time something happen in my country.

We get shot at because we're fighting, and I for one do not want to stop.

So, you're saying that people can't be sympathetic to France if they're not French? Maybe you don't realize this, but the common person is not necessarily representative of whatever sketchy and dishonest politicking is going on in our capitals.

Fighting what exactly? And why not?

[Republic of Wijaya]

This tragedy should never happen if the France Intel know this information at first place. And disappointed this happen at Bastille Day

How would you know that somebody is going to drive a truck into a crowd?

Yes you are right, but we can prevent this right ? So we can minimize the number of victim.
And where the France Police at tragedy ?

[Southeastern Xiatao]

So Caucasians and Africans shouldn't co-exist?

What the fuck do those quotes mean after a terrorist attack? Coexist with who? The Islamic State? Anyone want to propose that idea to them?

If it is illegal to make fun of Christianity and Judaism in France, then why the fuck is it legal to make fun of Islam then in France? Exactly France was looking for trouble, and as a result France let its own people die to a terrorist attack they could of very well prevented in many ways.

[Olerand]

How would you know that somebody is going to drive a truck into a crowd?

Yes you are right, but we can prevent this right ? So we can minimize the number of victim.
And where the France Police at tragedy ?

No, we cannot prevent someone from driving a truck into a crowd.

Um... There. But the police can't form a human child to stop an unforeseen truck attack on a crowd.

[Olerand]

What the fuck do those quotes mean after a terrorist attack? Coexist with who? The Islamic State? Anyone want to propose that idea to them?

If it is illegal to make fun of Christianity and Judaism in France, then why the fuck is it legal to make fun of Islam then in France? Exactly France was looking for trouble, and as a result France let its own people die to a terrorist attack they could of very well prevented in many ways.

Who told you the lie that it is illegal to make fun of Christianity and Judaism?

[Dameth]

Okay. I take it that you won't say anything if a terrorist attack happens in America then.

I will not faint indignation, because I somewhat believe in US ability to respond to domestic threats, without the need to have my feel good moment.

I remember Obama proposed my country to send us GIs to help us solve our domestic problem. How weak do you think we are ?

It is not freedom of speech in France to support terrorism

Freedom of speech does not stop when the speakers disagree with the government, that's the whole point of freedom of speech.
But even if it isn't, not giving a pass to a 9 years old is just insane.

[Empire of Narnia]

That wasn't very nice.

it seems the attack was semi successful

It killed a lot of people.

In GTA this was actually the most effective way to commit mass murder. I'm surprised it took the terrorists so long to figure it out. Guns and bombs are rare but trucks are everywhere and can be hidden in plain sight.

[Eol Sha]

It can also engender a populace receptive to Western, or even just non-fundamentalist, ideas. It happened in Iran and Afghanistan during the Cold War. You just need to do it smartly. Rather than building giant hotels, build schools and hospitals. I have no doubt that blood will be spilt, but, I think, that's how you win the long game against reactionary and fundamentalist forces.

Did it? Iran ended in an Islamist rebellion. The Westernization of Afghanistan was limited to the Kabul bourgeoisie, overthrown by Communists, then overtaken by Islamists. Where has Western support for liberal beliefs ended well in the Middle East?

Hospitals, we can do. But hospitals don't bring about ideological change. Schools do. But we're not there to defend our efforts. The Islamists are there to attack them, and they have nothing else to do.

Am I saying that everyone will become pre-Western secularists celebrating religious pluralism and tolerance? No. But it clearly did work to an extent in Iran and Afghanistan. But, as dictators often do, they fucked it up.

I think Tunisia is a good, if flawed, example. And Turkey has adopted and largely maintained Western values for nearly a century. Although Erdogan has been chipping away more and more at those values. And Morocco and Jordan have been edging further and further away from the reactionary elements of their societies.

Hospitals can effect ideological change in an indirect way. In the sense that you need knowledge and technology to make them effective. Well, the answer to that is to keep fighting them until you've won.

[Unified Governments]

What the fuck do those quotes mean after a terrorist attack? Coexist with who? The Islamic State? Anyone want to propose that idea to them?

If it is illegal to make fun of Christianity and Judaism in France, then why the fuck is it legal to make fun of Islam then in France? Exactly France was looking for trouble, and as a result France let its own people die to a terrorist attack they could of very well prevented in many ways.

What the fuck are you on about? It isn't illegal. Charlie Hebdo mocks Christianity all the time.

And France looking for trouble? How so?

[Salus Maior]

Don't expect me, as a Muslim, to condemn the attacks, the same way that no one condemns the bombings of innocent civilians in Syria and Iraq by NATO and Russia.

I don't see anyone condemning the bombings of Syria and Iraq except the victims themselves.

In fact, if tomorrow, the West withdraws from the Middle East, which will never happen, I will leave Canada.

I know I am going to be banned for this, but if crypto-fascists may be bold in saying things that are inflammatory, then I will do so too.

No one has the time to be not blunt, and its time to be honest here, no one likes Islam, and I get it, I absolutely do, but don't expect me to condemn the attacks when people in Europe in the West, Russia, and Gulf countries are not condemning the bombings of Syria and Iraq.

(Saying this means I will be banned, and I will, but the only thing that the West got it right, is that the West and Islam are never compatible and are alien to each other, all of this talk of "reconciliation" and "understanding" are just talks, no one likes to be truthful and honest)

Whose bombings? The Wests? ISIS's? Assad's?

[Olerand]

Okay. I take it that you won't say anything if a terrorist attack happens in America then.

I will not faint indignation, because I somewhat believe in US ability to respond to domestic threats, without the need to have my feel good moment.

I remember Obama proposed my country to send us GIs to help us solve our domestic problem. How weak do you think we are ?

It is not freedom of speech in France to support terrorism

Freedom of speech does not stop when the speakers disagree with the government, that's the whole point of freedom of speech.
But even if it isn't, not giving a pass to a 9 years old is just insane.

Freedom of speech stops where the State says it does. There is no universal freedom of speech criteria, other than the ones in the UDHR. And that doesn't explicitly allow terrorist apologia.

He wasn't even arrested. Nor was anyone in his family, although someone should have been.

[Eol Sha]

So Caucasians and Africans shouldn't co-exist?

What the fuck do those quotes mean after a terrorist attack? Coexist with who? The Islamic State? Anyone want to propose that idea to them?

I believe the message trying to be relayed is don't blame all Muslims for the actions of a few radicals. That peaceful co-existence is the only way to defeat the forces of violence and religious radicalism.