Truck Drives Through Crowd in Nice, France

[Olerand]

The FN has called for closing all radical (a broad term to them) mosques, on banning funding for Islamic (it will have to be all religious if they actually make this law) institutions from overseas. They support stripping terrorists of their nationalities, and sending the army to the banlieues. They support drastically reducing immigration, and I believe they are formulating the idea of reintroducing military conscription, at least for failed school students. The rest of their program I am unaware of.

Reading their program, they would also introduce more nationalistic school programs, change the cultural festivals, and on foreign policy, they say that terrorism has so far been discussed as if it is an activity occurring outside of the State, while it is in fact a tool of certain States. With that in mind, they would formulate their anti-terrorist policies accordingly.

They also support introducing the phrase "the Republic recognizes no community" in the Constitution, like for religion. They also seek to restructure Schengen, and if they fail at that, tearing it down. They also want to institute a jus sanguinis nationality law exclusively, harden nationality requirements, ban the possibility of regularizing illegals, and apply a national preference policy for employment.

[Nariterrr]

You can combat the ideology. I just fail to see how that phrase is actually combating the ideology. Or, to be more specific, how it would effectively combat the ideology. Just calling the ideology of groups like ISIL or Boko Haram "radical" and "terrorism" and "Islamic" is preaching to the fucking choir. The Muslims you are ultimately trying to reach in such a propaganda (please look up the word "propaganda" before you get your undies in a twist) campaign are the ones who know that the most. That's part of either the draw or repulsion of said groups. For those prone to support such an ideology, they know that ISIL is a radical group. That's what they like about them. Non-radical groups don't commit acts of terrorism, after all.

If you want to combat the jihadist ideology then you have to actually explain why its bad. Just saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't doing that. All it is is bullshit machismo.

We cannot combat the ideology. We can incite Muslims, the only ones who can, to do so. And no, I don't mean not in my name campaigns or condemning this or whatever. I mean undergoing the necessary Enlightenment revolution that Christianity and Judaism have been subjected to.

Like an Islamic Enlightenment

[Unified Governments]

Yeah

Only a SJW would be stupid enough to be serious about banning trucks.

"They're, like, so dirty and bad for the environment! This intense triggering is going to make me dye my hair another color. Just strap a bunch smart cars together and, like, use them instead."

[Saiwania]

The most optimistic projection is for ISIS territory to cease to exist by the end of this year but I don't think it will happen that fast. But there is a good chance that Iraq with Iran's help will have been won. If Mosul collapses, ISIS will effectively have been pushed almost completely out of Iraq. The Mosul offensive is gearing up for what is expected to be the "mother of all battles."

All along the front on all sides, ISIS has collapsed far from their peak. Syria and Russia are pushing from Palmyra and Raqqa is increasingly being encroached towards by Kurds. If all of the cities are taken and they're relegated to the desert, they are liable to get destroyed from getting spotted by coalition aircraft.

[Eol Sha]

You can combat the ideology. I just fail to see how that phrase is actually combating the ideology. Or, to be more specific, how it would effectively combat the ideology. Just calling the ideology of groups like ISIL or Boko Haram "radical" and "terrorism" and "Islamic" is preaching to the fucking choir. The Muslims you are ultimately trying to reach in such a propaganda (please look up the word "propaganda" before you get your undies in a twist) campaign are the ones who know that the most. That's part of either the draw or repulsion of said groups. For those prone to support such an ideology, they know that ISIL is a radical group. That's what they like about them. Non-radical groups don't commit acts of terrorism, after all.

If you want to combat the jihadist ideology then you have to actually explain why its bad. Just saying "radical Islamic terrorism" isn't doing that. All it is is bullshit machismo.

We cannot combat the ideology.

Which is why I find further American involvement in Syria to be counterproductive. Destroying ISIL and killing thousands of innocents in the process is not the way to win that long game. It is merely a short-term solution to a problem that has been around for generations.

We can incite Muslims, the only ones who can, to do so. And no, I don't mean not in my name campaigns or condemning this or whatever. I mean undergoing the necessary Enlightenment revolution that Christianity and Judaism have been subjected to.

I completely agree. It is up to the Muslims to defeat the violent jihadist ideology that is a cancer upon Islam and the Muslim world. The West cannot do it for them. How do you do that? Chiefly, in my opinion, through the secularization and detribalization of local societies and communities.

Can the West help in that? I think so. However, it must be the locals who do the heavy lifting. Not the US or the West.

On a side note, what "enlightenment" did Judaism go through?

[IndependentGreenland]

Only a SJW would be stupid enough to be serious about banning trucks.

"They're, like, so dirty and bad for the environment! This intense triggering is going to make me dye my hair another color. Just strap a bunch smart cars together and, like, use them instead."

Imagine Triggly Puff saying that...

[Olerand]

No one in France believes it is our job to dismantle the IS, nor that we can preempt the attacks. The current Interior Minister keeps making the rounds saying that we can't preempt attacks. Their propositions to solving the underlying problems have been laid out. They might have some more I skimmed over.

Unless attacks can be preempted, how will these attacks be prevented?

By the only way this entire issue can be solved. Islam undergoing the Enlightenment. Without that, these attacks cannot be preempted nor prevented. They will occur. The Interior Minister Cazeneuve keeps repeating: "0% preparedness is 100% risk, but 100% preparedness is not 0% risk".

We cannot combat the ideology. We can incite Muslims, the only ones who can, to do so. And no, I don't mean not in my name campaigns or condemning this or whatever. I mean undergoing the necessary Enlightenment revolution that Christianity and Judaism have been subjected to.

Ah, so the only reason there's Daesh and other terror groups is that mainstream Muslims aren't enlightened and the moment they do all those jihadis will vanish in a puff of logic.

Excuse me I need to go prove black is white...

Yes, the IS and assorted groups fester out of the regressive ideas that are so mainstream in mainstream Islam. If Islam were the Episcopalian Church, or the Church of Sweden, or hell even the Catholic Church, something like the IS would never have an ideology to stand on.

[Unified Governments]

The most optimistic projection is for ISIS territory to cease to exist by the end of this year but I don't think it will happen that fast. But there is a good chance that Iraq with Iran's help will have been won. If Mosul collapses, ISIS will effectively have been pushed almost completely out of Iraq. The Mosul offensive is gearing up for what is expected to be the "mother of all battles."

All along the front on all sides, ISIS has collapsed far from their peak. Syria and Russia are pushing from Palmyra and Raqqa is increasingly being encroached towards by Kurds. If all of the cities are taken and they're relegated to the desert, they are liable to get destroyed from getting spotted by coalition aircraft.

What about Libya?

People always forget the strong ISIS presence in Libya we created after knocking off Qaddafi for no reason.

[Hakons]

My condolences to the victims. I am sure they were Nice people.

I'll see you in Hell good sir

The word pronounced in French sounds like niece, not nice.

[Eol Sha]

The most optimistic projection is for ISIS territory to cease to exist by the end of this year but I don't think it will happen that fast. But there is a good chance that Iraq with Iran's help will have been won. If Mosul collapses, ISIS will effectively have been pushed almost completely out of Iraq. The Mosul offensive is gearing up for what is expected to be the "mother of all battles."

All along the front on all sides, ISIS has collapsed far from their peak. Syria and Russia are pushing from Palmyra and Raqqa is increasingly being encroached towards by Kurds. If all of the cities are taken and they're relegated to the desert, they are liable to get destroyed from getting spotted by coalition aircraft.

Indeed. Although I don't think the end-game would be as simple as that. It can't be too hard to get the more experienced fighter and commanders out of the country.

[IndependentGreenland]

The most optimistic projection is for ISIS territory to cease to exist by the end of this year but I don't think it will happen that fast. But there is a good chance that Iraq with Iran's help will have been won. If Mosul collapses, ISIS will effectively have been pushed almost completely out of Iraq. The Mosul offensive is gearing up for what is expected to be the "mother of all battles."

All along the front on all sides, ISIS has collapsed far from their peak. Syria and Russia are pushing from Palmyra and Raqqa is increasingly being encroached towards by Kurds. If all of the cities are taken and they're relegated to the desert, they are liable to get destroyed from getting spotted by coalition aircraft.

What about Libya?

People always forget the strong ISIS presence in Libya we created after knocking off Qaddafi for no reason.

Libya is a country in name only... Gaddafi was an ass hole but I'd rather him than complete anarchy.

[The Alexanderians]

I'll see you in Hell good sir

The word pronounced in French sounds like niece, not nice.

I know?

[San Lumen]

To horrible for words! This happens way to often. My most sincere condolences to the people of France and the victims families. I worry Trump will use this to reiterate his ban on Muslims and put mosques are all Muslims in the US under surveillance which only gives ISIS exactly what they want.

[Nariterrr]

To horrible for words! This happens way to often. My most sincere condolences to the people of France and the victims families. I worry Trump will use this to reiterate his ban on Muslims and put mosques are all Muslims in the US under surveillance which only gives ISIS exactly what they want.

The only thing Trump is good at is taking the unfortunate and using it to fit his agenda. So I'm not surprised if he does.

[Unified Governments]

Hollande says it was a terror attack and has asked the state of emergency to be extended three more months.

Because that worked.

[Olerand]

We cannot combat the ideology.

Which is why I find further American involvement in Syria to be counterproductive. Destroying ISIL and killing thousands of innocents in the process is not the way to win that long game. It is merely a short-term solution to a problem that has been around for generations.

We can incite Muslims, the only ones who can, to do so. And no, I don't mean not in my name campaigns or condemning this or whatever. I mean undergoing the necessary Enlightenment revolution that Christianity and Judaism have been subjected to.

I completely agree. It is up to the Muslims to defeat the violent jihadist ideology that is a cancer upon Islam and the Muslim world. The West cannot do it for them. How do you do that? Chiefly, in my opinion, through the secularization and detribalization of local societies and communities.

Can the West help in that? I think so. However, it must be the locals who do the heavy lifting. Not the US or the West.

On a side note, what "enlightenment" did Judaism go through?

America shouldn't "destroy" the IS. Local forces should destroy the IS, with Western support. This policy of Obama's is right, no doubt about that.

I disagree. I think without an opening from Islam itself, we can do nothing. The best Western tool I can think of is educating women. But if we do that, Islamists will spin women's education as a Western tool to emasculate the Muslim world, like they do to Polio in Pakistan where they claim Israel sends the vaccines to sterilize Pakistani boys, and turn public opinion against women's education. I don't think we can do anything until there is an opening for us. And as it stands, there is no opening.

The Haskala. A work continued on by such strands as Jewish secularism, Jewish atheism, and Labor Zionism (the original founding ideologies of the State of Israel).

[The Alexanderians]

Hollande says it was a terror attack and has asked the state of emergency to be extended three more months.

Because that worked.

Must be bad if theyre talking months

[Olerand]

Hollande says it was a terror attack and has asked the state of emergency to be extended three more months.

Because that worked.

Must be bad if theyre talking months

We've been in a state of emergency since the November attacks. It's meaningless.

[San Lumen]

Hollande says it was a terror attack and has asked the state of emergency to be extended three more months.

Because that worked.

What does the state of emergency accomplish?

[Unified Governments]

Hollande says it was a terror attack and has asked the state of emergency to be extended three more months.

Because that worked.

Must be bad if theyre talking months

It is bad. ISIS may be losing territory but their terror capabilities haven't been reduced at all. Just like the CIA director warned.

[Unified Governments]

Hollande says it was a terror attack and has asked the state of emergency to be extended three more months.

Because that worked.

What does the state of emergency accomplish?

Nothing.

[The Alexanderians]

Must be bad if theyre talking months

It is bad. ISIS may be losing territory but their terror capabilities haven't been reduced at all. Just like the CIA director warned.

And France is likely to respond in a way that will only make things far worse.

[Nariterrr]

What does the state of emergency accomplish?

Nothing.

It does accomplish one thing, it tells the citizenry to fear.

[Eol Sha]

Which is why I find further American involvement in Syria to be counterproductive. Destroying ISIL and killing thousands of innocents in the process is not the way to win that long game. It is merely a short-term solution to a problem that has been around for generations.


I completely agree. It is up to the Muslims to defeat the violent jihadist ideology that is a cancer upon Islam and the Muslim world. The West cannot do it for them. How do you do that? Chiefly, in my opinion, through the secularization and detribalization of local societies and communities.

Can the West help in that? I think so. However, it must be the locals who do the heavy lifting. Not the US or the West.

On a side note, what "enlightenment" did Judaism go through?

America shouldn't "destroy" the IS. Local forces should destroy the IS, with Western support. This policy of Obama's is right, no doubt about that.

I disagree. I think without an opening from Islam itself, we can do nothing. The best Western tool I can think of is educating women. But if we do that, Islamists will spin women's education as a Western tool to emasculate the Muslim world, like they do to Polio in Pakistan where they claim Israel sends the vaccines to sterilize Pakistani boys, and turn public opinion against women's education. I don't think we can do anything until there is an opening for us. And as it stands, there is no opening.

The Haskala. A work continued on by such strands as Jewish secularism, Jewish atheism, and Labor Zionism (the original founding ideologies of the State of Israel).

The only real, long-lasting type of support the West can offer is money. Money for development, education, and economic investment. The way I see it, the money is the foundation whereas the locals, Muslim and non-Muslim, are the architects and construction workers.

The sucky part, of course, is that a lot of the target governments are more corrupt than Rod Blagojevich.

[IndependentGreenland]

Must be bad if theyre talking months

It is bad. ISIS may be losing territory but their terror capabilities haven't been reduced at all. Just like the CIA director warned.

Yes but they now relay more on Muslim sympathisers to commit attacks for them.