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Troperia
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Postby Troperia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:40 am


YES!!! I KNEW IT!!! Score one for every single muslim without radical ideologies! But why do they have to hate on muslims? The western media? I mean,what have we ever done to them?

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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:42 am

Troperia wrote:

YES!!! I KNEW IT!!! Score one for every single muslim without radical ideologies! But why do they have to hate on muslims? The western media? I mean,what have we ever done to them?


Humanity has a shitty historical habit of selecting one group as The Other that everyone else can gleefully demonize and even attack with public approval.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:46 am


Did you actually read the article? Because it basically just says that Daesh refused to acknowledge him as a "true muslim" because he liked to take dick in his arse.
The man's religious motives for this act still remain unchanged even if he won't get his 72 virgins.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:48 am

Aelex wrote:

Did you actually read the article? Because it basically just says that Daesh refused to acknowledge him as a "true muslim" because he liked to take dick in his arse.
The man's religious motives for this act still remain unchanged even if he won't get his 72 virgins.


Or maybe religion had nothing to do with it at all no matter how much you reach.
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Postby Aelex » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:55 am

Vassenor wrote:Or maybe religion had nothing to do with it at all no matter how much you reach.

Or you know, maybe, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a fucking duck won't you agree? :eyebrow:
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Postby Minzerland » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:56 am

Vassenor wrote:
Aelex wrote:Did you actually read the article? Because it basically just says that Daesh refused to acknowledge him as a "true muslim" because he liked to take dick in his arse.
The man's religious motives for this act still remain unchanged even if he won't get his 72 virgins.


Or maybe religion had nothing to do with it at all no matter how much you reach.

Of course it doesn't, it's never religion.
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Postby Asigna » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:12 am

Minzerland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Or maybe religion had nothing to do with it at all no matter how much you reach.

Of course it doesn't, it's never religion.

I find it fascinating how the actions of a fanatic few could ultimately ruin the reputation of the majority, fueled by those who need the division in order for them to exploit fear in favor of their interests of power. This make an interesting case study.
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Postby Minzerland » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:15 am

Asigna wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Of course it doesn't, it's never religion.

I find it fascinating how the actions of a fanatic few could ultimately ruin the reputation of the majority, fueled by those who need the division in order for them to exploit fear in favor of their interests of power. This make an interesting case study.

Sure? Why are you telling me this?
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:24 am

Xadufell wrote:Prime minister Valls: Get used to terrorism
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Mmm... I think it's time we get new leadership. Preferably right wing leadership, as our current left wing leadership has failed us.


So I guess that 'I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.' would haven't received your approval, right?
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Postby Risottia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 7:25 am

Asigna wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Of course it doesn't, it's never religion.

I find it fascinating how the actions of a fanatic few could ultimately ruin the reputation of the majority, fueled by those who need the division in order for them to exploit fear in favor of their interests of power. This make an interesting case study.

Because this never happened before, right? :lol:
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Postby Liriena » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:38 am

Minzerland wrote:
Asigna wrote:I find it fascinating how the actions of a fanatic few could ultimately ruin the reputation of the majority, fueled by those who need the division in order for them to exploit fear in favor of their interests of power. This make an interesting case study.

Sure? Why are you telling me this?

Because it seems that, when a Muslim commits mass murder, even if they are a "lone wolf", there is a tendency to overlook any other factors that could have motivated them beyond being Muslim. There is a tendency to blame, not even their personal interpretation of their faith, but the Islamic faith as a whole, and only (or primarily) the Islamic faith. Whereas, when it comes to non-Muslim "lone wolf" mass murderers, the general tendency is to blame it on mental illness, seldom their personal interpretation of an ideology, and almost never the ideology itself and as a whole.
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Postby Asigna » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:53 am

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Sure? Why are you telling me this?

Because it seems that, when a Muslim commits mass murder, even if they are a "lone wolf", there is a tendency to overlook any other factors that could have motivated them beyond being Muslim. There is a tendency to blame, not even their personal interpretation of their faith, but the Islamic faith as a whole, and only (or primarily) the Islamic faith. Whereas, when it comes to non-Muslim "lone wolf" mass murderers, the general tendency is to blame it on mental illness, seldom their personal interpretation of an ideology, and almost never the ideology itself and as a whole.

Now when a White man kills a black man, it's never the problem of the White population as a whole but when one black man commits a crime, police are deployed to the black communities in truck loads. Indeed, this is not exclusive to the west, this is also the problem of humanity.

We must end generalization by enlightenment through education.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:57 am

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Sure? Why are you telling me this?

Because it seems that, when a Muslim commits mass murder, even if they are a "lone wolf", there is a tendency to overlook any other factors that could have motivated them beyond being Muslim. There is a tendency to blame, not even their personal interpretation of their faith, but the Islamic faith as a whole, and only (or primarily) the Islamic faith. Whereas, when it comes to non-Muslim "lone wolf" mass murderers, the general tendency is to blame it on mental illness, seldom their personal interpretation of an ideology, and almost never the ideology itself and as a whole.


The Evil Muslim Theorem.
Crimes committed by Muslims will be a pan-Islamic plot and proof of Islam's inherent evil. On the other hand crimes committed by non-Muslims will merely be the acts of loners who do not represent their belief system at all.
The probability of one's participation in homosexual acts is directly proportional to one's public disdain and disgust for homosexuals.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:50 am

Liriena wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Sure? Why are you telling me this?

Because it seems that, when a Muslim commits mass murder, even if they are a "lone wolf", there is a tendency to overlook any other factors that could have motivated them beyond being Muslim. There is a tendency to blame, not even their personal interpretation of their faith, but the Islamic faith as a whole, and only (or primarily) the Islamic faith. Whereas, when it comes to non-Muslim "lone wolf" mass murderers, the general tendency is to blame it on mental illness, seldom their personal interpretation of an ideology, and almost never the ideology itself and as a whole.


Then again, the opposite tendency also exists. Every time a muslim commits mass murder, it is "a false flag by the zionists/Americans/whatever", "self defense" or one of millions of other reasons. It is NEVER the fault of Islam - or of, in fact, the killer himself. As long as he is muslim.

The truth is probably somewhere in between these extremes.
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 20, 2016 9:53 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Liriena wrote:Because it seems that, when a Muslim commits mass murder, even if they are a "lone wolf", there is a tendency to overlook any other factors that could have motivated them beyond being Muslim. There is a tendency to blame, not even their personal interpretation of their faith, but the Islamic faith as a whole, and only (or primarily) the Islamic faith. Whereas, when it comes to non-Muslim "lone wolf" mass murderers, the general tendency is to blame it on mental illness, seldom their personal interpretation of an ideology, and almost never the ideology itself and as a whole.


Then again, the opposite tendency also exists. Every time a muslim commits mass murder, it is "a false flag by the zionists/Americans/whatever", "self defense" or one of millions of other reasons. It is NEVER the fault of Islam - or of, in fact, the killer himself. As long as he is muslim.

The truth is probably somewhere in between these extremes.


And when we try to blame the perpetrator, we get met with a chorus of STOP BEING AN APOLOGIST! and the like.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 21, 2016 4:36 am

Aelex wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Or maybe religion had nothing to do with it at all no matter how much you reach.

Or you know, maybe, if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a fucking duck won't you agree? :eyebrow:

I agree that that was his rationalisation for taking this cause of action.
Doesn't make it actually true.
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Postby Olerand » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:27 pm

So, it appears that the terrorist has been plotting this for a few months now, at least, and that he had a ring of supporters/enablers, which makes the rapid radicalization/lone wolf theories out of question.
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Postby The balkens » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:27 pm

Olerand wrote:So, it appears that the terrorist has been plotting this for a few months now, at least, and that he had a ring of supporters/enablers, which makes the rapid radicalization/lone wolf theories out of question.


enablers?

Christ.

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Postby Olerand » Fri Jul 22, 2016 3:47 pm

The balkens wrote:
Olerand wrote:So, it appears that the terrorist has been plotting this for a few months now, at least, and that he had a ring of supporters/enablers, which makes the rapid radicalization/lone wolf theories out of question.


enablers?

Christ.

A circle of at least 5 so far. An Albanian, man and woman, who provided him with his gun, and 3 men, two Franco-Tunisians and a Tunisian (like him) who were in text contact with him planning this etc.

One of them apparently texted him as early as January 2015 and said he is not Charlie (shocking), and that he is glad the soldiers of Allah did their job etc.

So yeah, at least 5 so far, and at least a year of radicalization. His cousin-wife seems to have nothing to do with this, however.
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