Truck Drives Through Crowd in Nice, France

[MERIZoC]

I mean you can't really make any legitimate objective claim on the matter.....

Anthropology doesn't give a rats ass about "backwardness" because it's so subjective. Why bother discussing it?

Of course you can't. However any progressive with a backbone will view such things as both immoral and harkening back to darker and more ignorant times - hence backwards. As it stands, Islam promotes a lot of that stuff and thus it promotes and establishes backwardness when its influence is rather significant in Muslim communities be it in the ME or here in the West. Being a minority community doesn't give them a free pass from criticism and derision on such matters if such views are widespread in their community. It's not different than when people do the same to the South, Midwest, Little England, etc.

Saying "let's not kill gays" is a far cry from labeling broad and numerous cultures as backwards. I have my political beliefs. They inform many of my opinions on society, including the one I live in. There are many things for me to despise about the culture I'm in but that doesn't mean I call it backwards. It is what it is, a product of people, time, geography, etc.

[Irona]

So it's an Islamic terrorist lone wolf attack that IS has claimed responsibility for?

Its horrific. I can't imagine what this must feel like to French people, especially with the Paris attacks last year.

This'll only help the national front in France, which just means more hate.

[Napkiraly]

Of course you can't. However any progressive with a backbone will view such things as both immoral and harkening back to darker and more ignorant times - hence backwards. As it stands, Islam promotes a lot of that stuff and thus it promotes and establishes backwardness when its influence is rather significant in Muslim communities be it in the ME or here in the West. Being a minority community doesn't give them a free pass from criticism and derision on such matters if such views are widespread in their community. It's not different than when people do the same to the South, Midwest, Little England, etc.

Saying "let's not kill gays" is a far cry from labeling broad and numerous cultures as backwards. I have my political beliefs. They inform many of my opinions on society, including the one I live in. There are many things for me to despise about the culture I'm in but that doesn't mean I call it backwards. It is what it is, a product of people, time, geography, etc.

So I hope to never see you talk about the South as though it were a backwards, inferior, unwanted child that perhaps ought to be cast aside.

[Nazeroth]

So it's an Islamic terrorist lone wolf attack that IS has claimed responsibility for?

Its horrific. I can't imagine what this must feel like to French people, especially with the Paris attacks last year.

This'll only help the national front in France, which just means more hate.

France keeps getting attacked by these fanatics and people STILL find a way to turn attention away from islamic radicalism...just...wow...it's always someone else's fault isn't it?

more hate? im sorry, the national front isn't shooting up theatres or running people over in trucks...

[Liriena]

I mean you can't really make any legitimate objective claim on the matter.....

Anthropology doesn't give a rats ass about "backwardness" because it's so subjective. Why bother discussing it?

Of course you can't. However any progressive with a backbone will view such things as both immoral and harkening back to darker and more ignorant times - hence backwards. As it stands, Islam promotes a lot of that stuff and thus it promotes and establishes backwardness when its influence is rather significant in Muslim communities be it in the ME or here in the West. Being a minority community doesn't give them a free pass from criticism and derision on such matters if such views are widespread in their community. It's not different than when people do the same to the South, Midwest, Little England, etc.

I agree with you, insofar as I, being a leftist, find many views espoused by a large number of Muslims unacceptable. And if some fundamentalists seek to restore a long-gone Islamic society from history, they are reactionary, "backwards", and that too I find unacceptable.

But is Islam, as a whole, a "backwards culture"? No. Islamic cultures are dynamic, like all other cultures, and they exist in their current form because of their history and their interactions with others. Islam wasn't trapped in a time capsule for a thousand years. It did not stay frozen and isolated while the rest of human civilization moved on. It is the way it is in part because of modern history, and thus it is not some undying remnant from another age, but a product of our age.

The many cultures of our world do not change in an unilinear fashion. There is no single finish line that they are all meant to cross. There is no individual culture that is the apex of all culture, the culture that all others are destined to imitate.

[MERIZoC]

Saying "let's not kill gays" is a far cry from labeling broad and numerous cultures as backwards. I have my political beliefs. They inform many of my opinions on society, including the one I live in. There are many things for me to despise about the culture I'm in but that doesn't mean I call it backwards. It is what it is, a product of people, time, geography, etc.

So I hope to never see you talk about the South as though it were a backwards, inferior, unwanted child that perhaps ought to be cast aside.

If I do you should likely take it as a joke.

[Liriena]

Saying "let's not kill gays" is a far cry from labeling broad and numerous cultures as backwards. I have my political beliefs. They inform many of my opinions on society, including the one I live in. There are many things for me to despise about the culture I'm in but that doesn't mean I call it backwards. It is what it is, a product of people, time, geography, etc.

So I hope to never see you talk about the South as though it were a backwards, inferior, unwanted child that perhaps ought to be cast aside.

I most likely did say that sort of stuff in the past, but I'm hoping it won't happen from now onwards.

[MERIZoC]

So it's an Islamic terrorist lone wolf attack that IS has claimed responsibility for?

Its horrific. I can't imagine what this must feel like to French people, especially with the Paris attacks last year.

This'll only help the national front in France, which just means more hate.

France keeps getting attacked by these fanatics and people STILL find a way to turn attention away from islamic radicalism...just...wow...it's always someone else's fault isn't it?

more hate? im sorry, the national front isn't shooting up theatres or running people over in trucks...

Yet. I standby my statements that she's the second coming of hitler. Maybe >_<

[Nazeroth]

Of course you can't. However any progressive with a backbone will view such things as both immoral and harkening back to darker and more ignorant times - hence backwards. As it stands, Islam promotes a lot of that stuff and thus it promotes and establishes backwardness when its influence is rather significant in Muslim communities be it in the ME or here in the West. Being a minority community doesn't give them a free pass from criticism and derision on such matters if such views are widespread in their community. It's not different than when people do the same to the South, Midwest, Little England, etc.

I agree with you, insofar as I, being a leftist, find many views espoused by a large number of Muslims unacceptable. And if some fundamentalists seek to restore a long-gone Islamic society from history, they are reactionary, "backwards", and that too I find unacceptable.

But is Islam, as a whole, a "backwards culture"? No. Islamic cultures are dynamic, like all other cultures, and they exist in their current form because of their history and their interactions with others. Islam wasn't trapped in a time capsule for a thousand years. It did not stay frozen and isolated while the rest of human civilization moved on. It is the way it is in part because of modern history, and thus it is not some undying remnant from another age, but a product of our age.

The many cultures of our world do not change in an unilinear fashion. There is no single finish line that they are all meant to cross. There is no individual culture that is the apex of all culture, the culture that all others are destined to imitate.

you should watch some of Milos stuff

anyways, yes overall it is bad because places like the middle east are crawling with people who are perfectly fine treating women as property or stoning or throwing acid of their wives faces. There may be differen't sects and those that are "moderate"(which could mean anything). The majority of muslims share very conservative views(usually far more conservative, even by american standards)

Even the immigrants that come to europe/america are those coming from societys where it's very "Moderate" to treat your wife like a slave or shame/kill your son/daughter for being gay.

[Nazeroth]

France keeps getting attacked by these fanatics and people STILL find a way to turn attention away from islamic radicalism...just...wow...it's always someone else's fault isn't it?

more hate? im sorry, the national front isn't shooting up theatres or running people over in trucks...

Yet. I standby my statements that she's the second coming of hitler. Maybe >_<

I image as an anarchist/pacifist you find almost any leader as the seconding coming of hitler.

[Eredion]

So it's an Islamic terrorist lone wolf attack that IS has claimed responsibility for?

Its horrific. I can't imagine what this must feel like to French people, especially with the Paris attacks last year.

This'll only help the national front in France, which just means more hate.

France keeps getting attacked by these fanatics and people STILL find a way to turn attention away from islamic radicalism...just...wow...it's always someone else's fault isn't it?

more hate? im sorry, the national front isn't shooting up theatres or running people over in trucks...

Well they could cause it, if they start to discriminate against minorities, both ethnic and religious, terror attack can be even more frequent, if the society does not accept you based on your ethnicity or religion, you stay with your own and might develop a hate against the society itself, leading to you thinking of attacking it in a terrorist attack.

[MERIZoC]

I agree with you, insofar as I, being a leftist, find many views espoused by a large number of Muslims unacceptable. And if some fundamentalists seek to restore a long-gone Islamic society from history, they are reactionary, "backwards", and that too I find unacceptable.

But is Islam, as a whole, a "backwards culture"? No. Islamic cultures are dynamic, like all other cultures, and they exist in their current form because of their history and their interactions with others. Islam wasn't trapped in a time capsule for a thousand years. It did not stay frozen and isolated while the rest of human civilization moved on. It is the way it is in part because of modern history, and thus it is not some undying remnant from another age, but a product of our age.

The many cultures of our world do not change in an unilinear fashion. There is no single finish line that they are all meant to cross. There is no individual culture that is the apex of all culture, the culture that all others are destined to imitate.

you should watch some of Milos stuff

anyways, yes overall it is bad because places like the middle east are crawling with people who are perfectly fine treating women as property or stoning or throwing acid of their wives faces. There may be differen't sects and those that are "moderate"(which could mean anything). The majority of muslims share very conservative views(usually far more conservative, even by american standards)

Even the immigrants that come to europe/america are those coming from societys where it's very "Moderate" to treat your wife like a slave or shame/kill your son/daughter for being gay.

>complains about Muslims treating women bad
>tells us to go watch milo

Taking the piss or unironic? You decide!

[Imperializt Russia]

Yes, to protect our country from Islamic extremist terrorist-cockroaches.

guess what, more terrorists will be made, unless nuking the middle east
unless if the West withdraws with it the support of Saudi arabia

Don't give people ideas.

[Nazeroth]

you should watch some of Milos stuff

anyways, yes overall it is bad because places like the middle east are crawling with people who are perfectly fine treating women as property or stoning or throwing acid of their wives faces. There may be differen't sects and those that are "moderate"(which could mean anything). The majority of muslims share very conservative views(usually far more conservative, even by american standards)

Even the immigrants that come to europe/america are those coming from societys where it's very "Moderate" to treat your wife like a slave or shame/kill your son/daughter for being gay.

>complains about Muslims treating women bad
>tells us to go watch milo

Taking the piss or unironic? You decide!

I don't see Milo calling for women to be fucking stoned or beaten.

way to disregard the point, in which islamic culture as a whole is not good.

[Liriena]

I agree with you, insofar as I, being a leftist, find many views espoused by a large number of Muslims unacceptable. And if some fundamentalists seek to restore a long-gone Islamic society from history, they are reactionary, "backwards", and that too I find unacceptable.

But is Islam, as a whole, a "backwards culture"? No. Islamic cultures are dynamic, like all other cultures, and they exist in their current form because of their history and their interactions with others. Islam wasn't trapped in a time capsule for a thousand years. It did not stay frozen and isolated while the rest of human civilization moved on. It is the way it is in part because of modern history, and thus it is not some undying remnant from another age, but a product of our age.

The many cultures of our world do not change in an unilinear fashion. There is no single finish line that they are all meant to cross. There is no individual culture that is the apex of all culture, the culture that all others are destined to imitate.

you should watch some of Milos stuff

Not interested in that self-hating journalistic embarrassment's content.

anyways, yes overall it is bad because places like the middle east are crawling with people who are perfectly fine treating women as property or stoning or throwing acid of their wives faces. There may be differen't sects and those that are "moderate"(which could mean anything). The majority of muslims share very conservative views(usually far more conservative, even by american standards)

Even the immigrants that come to europe/america are those coming from societys where it's very "Moderate" to treat your wife like a slave or shame/kill your son/daughter for being gay.

Yes. And?

[MERIZoC]

Display "Islamic culture as a whole" without using the Koran

[Nazeroth]

you should watch some of Milos stuff

Not interested in that self-hating journalistic embarrassment's content.

anyways, yes overall it is bad because places like the middle east are crawling with people who are perfectly fine treating women as property or stoning or throwing acid of their wives faces. There may be differen't sects and those that are "moderate"(which could mean anything). The majority of muslims share very conservative views(usually far more conservative, even by american standards)

Even the immigrants that come to europe/america are those coming from societys where it's very "Moderate" to treat your wife like a slave or shame/kill your son/daughter for being gay.

Yes. And?

self-hating? that's usually he adressed, self-hating butthurt social justice warriors, it's actually hilarious to see how they react.

[Bolando]

Reminder that nothing like this would happen if only we banned assault cars
CARS KILL PEOPLE
When are you finally going to accept it?

[Nazeroth]

Display "Islamic culture as a whole" without using the Koran

Yes let's not talk about how their role model was a maurader who destroyed all the tribes around him for not believing in his god, let's just not use the Koran.

Muslims have no excuse for how the middle east is ran, if the vast majority were more "moderates"(again, whatever that means) then you wouldn't have groups like ISIS, or nations like Iran or Saudi Arabia or all the other places where the "vast majority moderates" have made it a hell for others.

[Liriena]

>complains about Muslims treating women bad
>tells us to go watch milo

Taking the piss or unironic? You decide!

I don't see Milo calling for women to be fucking stoned or beaten.

True, but that's not a very high standard. He's still an unabashed sexist who only seems to care about LGBT+ rights when he gets to use them as a cudgel against Muslims.

[Braecland]

France keeps getting attacked by these fanatics and people STILL find a way to turn attention away from islamic radicalism...just...wow...it's always someone else's fault isn't it?

more hate? im sorry, the national front isn't shooting up theatres or running people over in trucks...

Well they could cause it, if they start to discriminate against minorities, both ethnic and religious, terror attack can be even more frequent, if the society does not accept you based on your ethnicity or religion, you stay with your own and might develop a hate against the society itself, leading to you thinking of attacking it in a terrorist attack.

That would depend on whether the religion or culture is compatible with that of the country of residence. Also, if "discrimination" is insulting as someone's religion (which has caused numerous terrorist attacks), then the blame for repercussions is on the offended.

[Imperializt Russia]

I agree with you, insofar as I, being a leftist, find many views espoused by a large number of Muslims unacceptable. And if some fundamentalists seek to restore a long-gone Islamic society from history, they are reactionary, "backwards", and that too I find unacceptable.

But is Islam, as a whole, a "backwards culture"? No. Islamic cultures are dynamic, like all other cultures, and they exist in their current form because of their history and their interactions with others. Islam wasn't trapped in a time capsule for a thousand years. It did not stay frozen and isolated while the rest of human civilization moved on. It is the way it is in part because of modern history, and thus it is not some undying remnant from another age, but a product of our age.

The many cultures of our world do not change in an unilinear fashion. There is no single finish line that they are all meant to cross. There is no individual culture that is the apex of all culture, the culture that all others are destined to imitate.

you should watch some of Milos stuff

anyways, yes overall it is bad because places like the middle east are crawling with people who are perfectly fine treating women as property or stoning or throwing acid of their wives faces. There may be differen't sects and those that are "moderate"(which could mean anything). The majority of muslims share very conservative views(usually far more conservative, even by american standards)

Even the immigrants that come to europe/america are those coming from societys where it's very "Moderate" to treat your wife like a slave or shame/kill your son/daughter for being gay.

And you know what? Even though those people do have "backwards" views on women and other things? Their children naturalise.

This is the problem with screaming the "WELL JUST FUCKING INTEGRATE YOU SAVAGES" mantra. They do. Just not on an arbitrary timescale you apparently deem sufficient.

[Nazeroth]

I don't see Milo calling for women to be fucking stoned or beaten.

True, but that's not a very high standard. He's still an unabashed sexist who only seems to care about LGBT+ rights when he gets to use them as a cudgel against Muslims.

Well when British muslims think the way they do I can't blame him, not to mention in many many islamic cultures he would be shamed, beaten or possibly killed.

as I gay man myself I see Islam much the same way, there are some sincere and good people but the majority are not and they support ideals that would compete with hardcore american conservatives.

[MERIZoC]

Display "Islamic culture as a whole" without using the Koran

Yes let's not talk about how their role model was a maurader who destroyed all the tribes around him for not believing in his god, let's just not use the Koran.

Muslims have no excuse for how the middle east is ran, if the vast majority were more "moderates"(again, whatever that means) then you wouldn't have groups like ISIS, or nations like Iran or Saudi Arabia or all the other places where the "vast majority moderates" have made it a hell for others.

If this was a quiz and I was your teacher id be disappointed in you.

[The East Marches]

you should watch some of Milos stuff

anyways, yes overall it is bad because places like the middle east are crawling with people who are perfectly fine treating women as property or stoning or throwing acid of their wives faces. There may be differen't sects and those that are "moderate"(which could mean anything). The majority of muslims share very conservative views(usually far more conservative, even by american standards)

Even the immigrants that come to europe/america are those coming from societys where it's very "Moderate" to treat your wife like a slave or shame/kill your son/daughter for being gay.

And you know what? Even though those people do have "backwards" views on women and other things? Their children naturalise.

This is the problem with screaming the "WELL JUST FUCKING INTEGRATE YOU SAVAGES" mantra. They do. Just not on an arbitrary timescale you apparently deem sufficient.

Nah integration isn't enough. Assimilation is the answer.