Truck Drives Through Crowd in Nice, France

[The Alma Mater]

#WhiteLivesMatter.

It's like when people say that the plight of white sharecroppers in any way comes close to the systematic cultural genocide of African slaves.

Are we talking about the systematic cultural genocide of African slaves by Europeans, the systematic cultural genocide of African slaves by Africans or the systematic cultural genocide of African slaves by Asians ? There have been so many...

[Stucco Houses]

Thousands of Muslims are fighting against Islamic fundamentalism as we speak. In Syria and Iraq, Muslim soldiers, paramilitaries and police officers are fighting ISIS. Thousands more march against terrorism while several members of the clergy cooperate with governments.

Oh, wow, thousands; out of 1.7 billion Muslims. That's like a whole 0.001 percent, wow. Really reform is inevitable at that rate.

Now, don't get me wrong, those few Muslims are brave.They are the Muslims we should celebrate, not the first world ones on social media. But they are also a ridiculously small portion

As for Christians and Jews doing "an infinitely better job"? A bit disingenuous.

Fair enough, because for it to really be infinity, Muslims would need to be infinitely religiously violent, which isn't possible; or Jews and Christians would need to be never ever religiously violent. Ah, math. Perhaps "Jews and Christians are doing a much, much, much better job of refuting the bad parts of their teachings than Muslims" would be more apt.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... the-world/

Most Muslims in the world condemn terrorism, only muslims in extremely poor, religiously homogeneous nations have majority belief in Sharia, and less than 5% have favorable views of ISIS and do not condemn their practices.

If you do not believe that extremist terrorists are the vast, vast minority, you are dead wrong. Your notion that they are not can only come from an at least implicitly racist story.

[The Romulan Republic]

Thousands of Muslims are fighting against Islamic fundamentalism as we speak. In Syria and Iraq, Muslim soldiers, paramilitaries and police officers are fighting ISIS. Thousands more march against terrorism while several members of the clergy cooperate with governments.

Oh, wow, thousands; out of 1.7 billion Muslims. That's like a whole 0.001 percent, wow. Really reform is inevitable at that rate.

Now, don't get me wrong, those few Muslims are brave.They are the Muslims we should celebrate, not the first world ones on social media. But they are also a ridiculously small portion

Do you actually think their are only "thousands" of Muslims who support more moderate views?

Certainly the actual terrorists are themselves a tiny minority (Daesh's manpower is in the tens of thousands globally last I checked, I believe- the town I grew up in, which barely qualified as a city, had more people).

Its usually that way in any society- only a minority of the public is very actively involved on any side, especially when their is personal danger in being so. Most people just live their lives and try to keep their heads down for the most part, whatever their ideological sympathies.

And before you condemn those Muslims who aren't extremists themselves but don't do more to stand up to extremism- how brave would you be if you were living somewhere where being openly non-fundmentalist might well be a death sentence?

[Minzerland]

Of course, it's a hard world to be white in, what with all the people who call you racist when you hate other groups.

Don't feed the trolls

I'm no troll.

[The Alma Mater]

For instance? Those who cite Leviticus as a justification for opposing LGBT+ rights. They are, sadly, quite plentiful.

I am well aware that those laws in the Old Testament are not, in a strict sense, binding to Christians. Menassa, NSG's beloved scholar of everything Jewish, made that quite clear on several occasions. However, there are several Christians who are either unaware of this, or knowingly disregard it.

Mind you, I am not arguing that "two wrongs make a right" or anything of the sort. As I said, there is much about the Quran that I find intolerable, and I for one am not interested in converting to Islam, nor am I going to try and engage in apologism for the Islamic holy text.

Those people would be what we call "Biblical literalists", and nobody likes them and nor are they a very strong or numerous group.

And yet Trump took great care to pick one of them as his VP.

[Liriena]

Thousands of Muslims are fighting against Islamic fundamentalism as we speak. In Syria and Iraq, Muslim soldiers, paramilitaries and police officers are fighting ISIS. Thousands more march against terrorism while several members of the clergy cooperate with governments.

Oh, wow, thousands; out of 1.7 billion Muslims. That's like a whole 0.001 percent, wow. Really reform is inevitable at that rate.

Now, don't get me wrong, those few Muslims are brave.They are the Muslims we should celebrate, not the first world ones on social media. But they are also a ridiculously small portion

And what exactly do you want the rest of Muslims to do? Do you want hundreds of millions of them to grab a rifle and march into Mosul?

As for Christians and Jews doing "an infinitely better job"? A bit disingenuous.

Fair enough, because for it to really be infinity, Muslims would need to be infinitely religiously violent, which isn't possible; or Jews and Christians would need to be never ever religiously violent. Ah, math. Perhaps "Jews and Christians are doing a much, much, much better job of refuting the bad parts of their teachings than Muslims" would be more apt.

A bit more apt... but still very much debatable. For one, the largest Christian denomination continues to treat homosexuality as a sin (when not as a disease of sorts) and continues to encourage anti-scientific practices that only serve to worsen the HIV/AIDS pandemic in several regions of the world. And Orthodox Judaism remains orthodox and numerous.

[The Celtic British Isles]

Don't feed the trolls

I'm no troll.

I meant stucco

[Minzerland]

I'm no troll.

I meant stucco

Oh.

[Salus Maior]

And yet Trump took great care to pick one of them as his VP.

And Trump became a sincere Christian at what point? Or was well liked?

[Stucco Houses]

Of course, it's a hard world to be white in, what with all the people who call you racist when you hate other groups.

Let's save the hypocrisy.

I don't see how I'm a hypocrite. I don't hardly hate white people at all. I'm pretty white myself. I just try not to fool myself about how race relations work in a way that excuses imperial forces.

-snip-

Waait so what I'm getting from this now is this:
Religious Extremism is not a result of religion o.o
"neither their religion nor their ethnicity makes them terrorize."
I agree that ethnicity doesn't play a role, but you can't really be an Islamic extremist without following Islam...

Again, so as you agreed there are Muslims of every ethnicity. Explain how a distate for the religion is in any way racist, people weren't putting down the ethnicity, they were putting down the religion.

Because there is a very clear message about what Muslim means in our modern discourse about Muslims. We aren't talking about Bosnians or Indian Muslims or Burmese Muslims, we are talking about Middle Eastern Muslims. It is a racist mind that says that terrorism stems from a religion of hate and evil followed by and large by nonwhite people affected by poverty and colonization, rather than the poverty and colonization themselves. It's pointlessly reactionary not to understand the root causes or to pretend like our discourse on terrorism isn't dictated by race.

[Liriena]

I'm no troll.

I meant stucco

Trollnaming is not kosher around these parts. If you truly believe that Stucco is being a troll, report them in moderation. Otherwise, don't.

[Patridam]

However, you seem not to understand that wacky conservative Christians and Jews exist too, that moderate Muslims make up the vast majority of Muslims, and that the poverty and imperialism experienced by the Middle East are the likely reason for the terrorism and intolerance in those countries. Ever wondered why Eastern Europe treats its gays so poorly? It's not Christianity, it's poverty. Ever wondered why Buddhists in Burma kill Muslims in Burma? It's not Buddhism, it's poverty.

Ah, yes, because a Muslims actions can never ever be his fault or held accountable to him. Always a white person's fault. Always.

If you don't understand that poverty underlies terrorism of every breed, you concede to bigotry, that you believe Muslims are worse at addressing the ideological problems which justify terrorism in so many non-Muslim instances.

Nope, I don't think its that the people that happen to be Muslim are somehow inherently worse at addressing ideological problems. No, Islam is just worse at having its ideological problems addressed, being a "perfect and complete" rambling complex mess of unclear and violent and mandatory orders stricter than other religion's orders, with a hell of a lot more problems than even Christianity ever had.

[Stucco Houses]

Of course, it's a hard world to be white in, what with all the people who call you racist when you hate other groups.

Don't feed the trolls

I try not to, but the oblique racialism gets to me.

[The Romulan Republic]

Oh, wow, thousands; out of 1.7 billion Muslims. That's like a whole 0.001 percent, wow. Really reform is inevitable at that rate.

Now, don't get me wrong, those few Muslims are brave.They are the Muslims we should celebrate, not the first world ones on social media. But they are also a ridiculously small portion

And what exactly do you want the rest of Muslims to do? Do you want hundreds of millions of them to grab a rifle and march into Mosul?

While that probably wouldn't be very practical in reality, it does sound pretty awesome.

But like I said, most people, in any society, are just ordinary people, not fighters or activists for any side.

[New Jerzylvania]

Those people would be what we call "Biblical literalists", and nobody likes them and nor are they a very strong or numerous group.

And yet Trump took great care to pick one of them as his VP.

No pick. Trump might just pick his nose tomorrow instead and Pence has a 12 Noon deadline. Nice stepped on him in a rather untimely fashion.

[Australian rePublic]

Poor France

[Stucco Houses]

However, you seem not to understand that wacky conservative Christians and Jews exist too, that moderate Muslims make up the vast majority of Muslims, and that the poverty and imperialism experienced by the Middle East are the likely reason for the terrorism and intolerance in those countries. Ever wondered why Eastern Europe treats its gays so poorly? It's not Christianity, it's poverty. Ever wondered why Buddhists in Burma kill Muslims in Burma? It's not Buddhism, it's poverty.

Ah, yes, because a Muslims actions can never ever be his fault or held accountable to him. Always a white person's fault. Always.

If you don't understand that poverty underlies terrorism of every breed, you concede to bigotry, that you believe Muslims are worse at addressing the ideological problems which justify terrorism in so many non-Muslim instances.

Nope, I don't think its that the people that happen to be Muslim are somehow inherently worse at addressing ideological problems. No, Islam is just worse at having its ideological problems addressed, being a "perfect and complete" rambling complex mess of unclear and violent and mandatory orders stricter than other religion's orders, with a hell of a lot more problems than even Christianity ever had.

We're just going to ignore the centuries of violence and prejudice furthered under Christian pretenses for political purposes and economic reasons? Poverty is the connector, not any religion.

[Liriena]

Poor France

Indeed.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

Another tragedy. I think France should hire more police officers and more secret police.

[Stucco Houses]

Just looked up /pol/. They are celebrating for the driver being a muslim. This shows who in fact have benefits from this incidents.

Another bright day for White Nationalism and Neofascism. Disgusting the way that bigots prosper off of chaos and sadness.

[The Celtic British Isles]

Just looked up /pol/. They are celebrating for the driver being a muslim. This shows who in fact have benefits from this incidents.

You either die a rational human being, or live long enough to see yourself on /pol/

[Minzerland]

Let's save the hypocrisy.

I don't see how I'm a hypocrite. I don't hardly hate white people at all. I'm pretty white myself. I just try not to fool myself about how race relations work in a way that excuses imperial forces.

You've constantly fooled yourself into believing European colonialism dismisses colonialism enacted by Non-European Powers are innocent, despite their acts; that's pretty hypocritical. seeing as I don't hate Muslims, How am I a racist, as you've said? (not to mention Muslims aren't a race)

[Impireacht]

Let's save the hypocrisy.

I don't see how I'm a hypocrite. I don't hardly hate white people at all. I'm pretty white myself. I just try not to fool myself about how race relations work in a way that excuses imperial forces.

Waait so what I'm getting from this now is this:
Religious Extremism is not a result of religion o.o
"neither their religion nor their ethnicity makes them terrorize."
I agree that ethnicity doesn't play a role, but you can't really be an Islamic extremist without following Islam...

Again, so as you agreed there are Muslims of every ethnicity. Explain how a distate for the religion is in any way racist, people weren't putting down the ethnicity, they were putting down the religion.

Because there is a very clear message about what Muslim means in our modern discourse about Muslims. We aren't talking about Bosnians or Indian Muslims or Burmese Muslims, we are talking about Middle Eastern Muslims. It is a racist mind that says that terrorism stems from a religion of hate and evil followed by and large by nonwhite people affected by poverty and colonization, rather than the poverty and colonization themselves. It's pointlessly reactionary not to understand the root causes or to pretend like our discourse on terrorism isn't dictated by race.

Who the hell said that they're terrorists because of their ethnicity, regardless of which Muslims we're talking about? I'm sure that a lot of people would agree that the Middle East would be a very different place with another religion in place. It's not at all about the race, now take your "everything is racist" spewings elsewhere or actually defend the religion beyond "if you don't support Islam you're a racist imperialist bastard", please.

[Koninkrijk Zeeland]

The war on terror results in more terrorism. If Saddasm Hussein still ruled Iraq , Islamic state would never came to power. If Gadaffi still ruled Libya , Libya would still be the richest country in Africa. The bombing of middle eastern countries creates hate against the west which terrorist groups use to gain more supporters.
The west should stop intervening around the world.

[Minzerland]

Don't feed the trolls

I try not to, but the oblique racialism gets to me.

HahahahahaHahahahahaHahahahaha.

You couldn't be more wrong.