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UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:13 pmby Vassenor
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:14 pmby Souseiseki
Highly likely that Labour Party itself will challenge the decision in the courts
So the Labour Party is going to sue it's own NEC, to remove it's own leader, over the wishes of a (sizable amount, probably a) majority of it's own members.
pee el pee dot tee ekst tee
UK(?) Politics Thread please
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:15 pmby Hydesland
Corbyn could always just resign.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:16 pmby Esparastan
I'm against leaving, but overriding the referendum is a slap on the face to democracy.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:16 pmby Souseiseki
Hydesland wrote:Corbyn could always just resign.
for what purpose?
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:16 pmby Hydesland
Souseiseki wrote:Hydesland wrote:Corbyn could always just resign.
for what purpose?
To save the Labour party from collapsing on itself.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:18 pmby Souseiseki
Hydesland wrote:Souseiseki wrote:for what purpose?
To save the Labour party from collapsing on itself.
well that's a ridiculous stance. the PLP could just respect the decision of the majority of the voters in the leadership elections, to save the labour party from collapsing on itself, but i doubt you'd suggest that.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:19 pmby Hydesland
Souseiseki wrote:Hydesland wrote:To save the Labour party from collapsing on itself.
well that's a ridiculous stance. the PLP could just respect the decision of the majority of the voters in the leadership elections, to save the labour party from collapsing on itself, but i doubt you'd suggest that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stag_hunt
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:19 pmby Imperializt Russia
js, but if we do decided to go for "simply reads - bugger", I'd like to suggest that we try for a more complete quote of "Made a note. Simply says: Bugger"
(please don't change the actual thread options because it sometimes resets tho)
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:20 pmby Arkolon
GE good idea y/n
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:21 pmby Souseiseki
Hydesland wrote:Souseiseki wrote:well that's a ridiculous stance. the PLP could just respect the decision of the majority of the voters in the leadership elections, to save the labour party from collapsing on itself, but i doubt you'd suggest that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stag_hunt
i'm not sure how this affects what i said
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:22 pmby Souseiseki
Imperializt Russia wrote:js, but if we do decided to go for "simply reads - bugger", I'd like to suggest that we try for a more complete quote of "Made a note. Simply says: Bugger"
(please don't change the actual thread options because it sometimes resets tho)
we could rip off mitchell and webb
"a summary of our situation in one rude word"
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:22 pmby Hydesland
Souseiseki wrote:i'm not sure this affects what i said
It's easier for one person to make a decision than everyone else to make a simultaneous decision.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:22 pmby Vassenor
I think just for the sake of reference I'll call the title poll some time on Friday and then swap in the Labour leadership poll once we know exactly who's running.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:24 pmby Souseiseki
Hydesland wrote:Souseiseki wrote:i'm not sure this affects what i said
It's easier for one person to make a decision than everyone else to make a simultaneous decision.
what about the hundreds of thousands of people that voted him in? it's not like jeremy stepping down is going to heal the division in the labour party, just... make it so we never get a left-wing candidate ever again? nice.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:25 pmby MERIZoC
I'm still behind "garden of eton" for the title tbh
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:26 pmby Imperializt Russia
Merizoc wrote:I'm still behind "garden of eton" for the title tbh
The Eton lot'll be gone by Thursday.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:28 pmby Geilinor
Souseiseki wrote:Hydesland wrote:To save the Labour party from collapsing on itself.
well that's a ridiculous stance. the PLP could just respect the decision of the majority of the voters in the leadership elections, to save the labour party from collapsing on itself, but i doubt you'd suggest that.
Cameron's resignation helped the Tories unite around a mutually acceptable leader.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:29 pmby Hydesland
Souseiseki wrote:what about the hundreds of thousands of people that voted him in? it's not like jeremy stepping down is going to heal the division in the labour party, just... make it so we never get a left-wing candidate ever again? nice.
Honestly Angela Eagle is left wing, even though she's possibly even less electable than Corbyn - perhaps if Corbyn had resigned earlier we might have got a better challenger. I think Corbyn resigning will do short term damage, but not as much as the party forcing him out
unwillingly, nor as much as some weird situation after a second Corbyn victory where he has no control over his own party and becomes extremely weak opposition to the conservatives.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:31 pmby MERIZoC
Imperializt Russia wrote:Merizoc wrote:I'm still behind "garden of eton" for the title tbh
The Eton lot'll be gone by Thursday.
I don't imagine you'll ever be rid of an eton lot. Dave is gone but surely more are to follow
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:32 pmby MERIZoC
Geilinor wrote:Souseiseki wrote:well that's a ridiculous stance. the PLP could just respect the decision of the majority of the voters in the leadership elections, to save the labour party from collapsing on itself, but i doubt you'd suggest that.
Cameron's resignation helped the Tories unite around a mutually acceptable leader.
Cameron quite clearly didn't have the base behind him. He staked his premiership on the referendum and lost.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:32 pmby Frank Zipper
"If there's a bustle in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed now,
It's just a spring clean for the May queen.
Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road you're on.
And it makes me wonder."
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:36 pmby Imperializt Russia
Merizoc wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:The Eton lot'll be gone by Thursday.
I don't imagine you'll ever be rid of an eton lot. Dave is gone but surely more are to follow
Supposedly, May cared little for the Old Etonian's club that Dave turned the Tory cabinet into.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:41 pmby Malgrave
Merizoc wrote:I'm still behind "garden of eton" for the title tbh
but that option sucks.
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Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:47 pmby Hydesland