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So who do we want leading the Labour Party?

Jeremy Corbyn
142
48%
Owen Smith
66
22%
Lord Helix
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Total votes : 297

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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:24 am

Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:25 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Parti Ouvrier wrote:Take your time, please.

Was this necessary? He hasn't posted since, and it's only been a few minutes. Not everyone is browsing the forum 24/7.

He gives the appearance of being sure of himself, when I suspect he is full of doubts.
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:25 am

Freefall11111 wrote:Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

Why the focus on his sex life? Never understood that angle in politics.
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:25 am

Freefall11111 wrote:Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

Just a bit of banter, America.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:26 am

Parti Ouvrier wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Was this necessary? He hasn't posted since, and it's only been a few minutes. Not everyone is browsing the forum 24/7.

He gives the appearance of being sure of himself, when I suspect he is full of doubts.

Talk about completely irrelevant.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:27 am

Alvecia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

Why the focus on his sex life? Never understood that angle in politics.

Presumably something along the lines of "Why trust somebody who can't even keep it in their pants?"
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:28 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Parti Ouvrier wrote:He gives the appearance of being sure of himself, when I suspect he is full of doubts.

Talk about completely irrelevant.

I know, the antisemitic accusation has no relevance, other than a lame smear tactic against a Corbyn supporting website.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:29 am

Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:30 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Why the focus on his sex life? Never understood that angle in politics.

Presumably something along the lines of "Why trust somebody who can't even keep it in their pants?"

I suppose I understand that line of thinking, just everytime I see it it's like there's some disconnect.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:30 am

Parti Ouvrier wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Was this necessary? He hasn't posted since, and it's only been a few minutes. Not everyone is browsing the forum 24/7.

He gives the appearance of being sure of himself, when I suspect he is full of doubts.


So? I'm failing to see the problem of a) having doubts and b) this undermining his views.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:31 am

Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.


Why do they want to shut DfT?
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:31 am

Parti Ouvrier wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Talk about completely irrelevant.

I know, the antisemitic accusation has no relevance, other than a lame smear tactic against a Corbyn supporting website.

You seem to be incapable of avoiding derailment of whatever is being discussed.

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:31 am

Vassenor wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.


Why do they want to shut DfT?

Who needs transportation, amiright?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:31 am

Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.

Cuts have gotten out of hand.

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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:32 am

Vassenor wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.


Why do they want to shut DfT?

Supposedly it's being replaced by a department of infrastructure.

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:33 am

Freefall11111 wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Why do they want to shut DfT?

Supposedly it's being replaced by a department of infrastructure.

I suppose Energy would fold quite comfortably into that.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:33 am

Conor Burns claims May's government is the return of "proper, serious politics".

I wonder if he's heard about Johnson's appointment yet.

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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:33 am

Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.

Where did you get this rumour? I really don't understand why she'd close those departments either.
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Postby Freefall11111 » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:34 am

Parti Ouvrier wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.

Where did you get this rumour? I really don't understand why she'd close those departments either.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:34 am

Alvecia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

Why the focus on his sex life? Never understood that angle in politics.

Well, lying about your sex life and being untrustworthy, more than actually "the sex life".
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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:35 am

Alvecia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

Why the focus on his sex life? Never understood that angle in politics.

A lot of Tories seem to believe in the sanctity of marriage.

Ifreann wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

Just a bit of banter, America.

Apparently Boris hates Trump.

Random factoid I found while reading some of the thesis length articles folks are posting here.

Freefall11111 wrote:Conor Burns claims May's government is the return of "proper, serious politics".

I wonder if he's heard about Johnson's appointment yet.

Probably just being ironic.

Ifreann wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.

Cuts have gotten out of hand.

I was only joking about the Maytrain thing. I was hoping to be proven wrong.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:35 am

Parti Ouvrier wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Rumor is now that the Department of Business, Innovation and Skills, the Department for Energy and Climate Change, and the Department for Transport are to be closed.

Where did you get this rumour? I really don't understand why she'd close those departments either.

Well, BIS isn't being closed, it's being turned into Business, Energy and Industry, and is therefore replacing both BIS and DECC.
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Postby Valaran » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:39 am

Valaran wrote:
Parti Ouvrier wrote:He gives the appearance of being sure of himself, when I suspect he is full of doubts.


So? I'm failing to see the problem of a) having doubts and b) this undermining his views.


Since Parti Ouvrier didn't reply in a whole 9 minutes, does this mean he is also crippled by doubts :P
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Jul 14, 2016 6:39 am

Alvecia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Wikileaks just leaked a US diplomatic cable. Take a look.

Why the focus on his sex life? Never understood that angle in politics.

Tommy Wiseau is head of intelligence.
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