UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

by **Vassenor** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:25 am

Minzerland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:A map of all the countries Boris Johnson has offended

Our Foreign Secretary, ladies and gentlemen.

He better get apologizing quickly. Lol.

Why?

by **Valaran** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:26 am

Freefall11111 wrote:So to recap, the government currently looks like this.
Prime Minister - May
Chancellor of the Exchequer - Hammond
Home Secretary - Rudd
Foreign Secretary - Johnson
'Brexit' Secretary - Davis
International Trade Secretary - Fox
Defence Secretary - Fallon
Education Secretary - Greening
Justice Secretary - Truss
Health Secretary - Hunt
Chief Whip - Williamson
Leader of the House of Commons - Grayling
Leader of the House of Lords - Baroness Evans
Conservative Party Chairman - McLoughlin

I'd say I'm ok with maybe 4-5 of those choices, and not ok with about the same. That's not a too bad result for damage limitation so far.

by **Dooom35796821595** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:26 am

Valaran wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
The French foreign minister is an idiot, I belive he was one of the voices calling for a quick and painful Brexit.

Saying a thing like that doesn't make him an idiot. It just doesn't make him predisposed to UK interests.

Boris Johnson himself says a lot of stupid things, but I wouldn't say he was an idiot.

Considering he's the foreign minister it does. And he's criticising Borris? Guess where he's going to be told to shove his opinions.

by **Freefall11111** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:26 am

Freefall11111 wrote:So to recap, the government currently looks like this.
Prime Minister - May
Chancellor of the Exchequer - Hammond
Home Secretary - Rudd
Foreign Secretary - Johnson
'Brexit' Secretary - Davis
International Trade Secretary - Fox
Defence Secretary - Fallon
Education Secretary - Greening
Justice Secretary - Truss
Health Secretary - Hunt
Chief Whip - Williamson
Leader of the House of Commons - Grayling
Leader of the House of Lords - Baroness Evans
Conservative Party Chairman - McLoughlin

The following positions aren't filled yet.
Culture Secretary - TBA
Work and Pensions Secretary - TBA
Business Secretary - TBA
Environment Secretary - TBA
Energy Secretary - TBA
International Development Secretary - TBA
Transport Secretary - TBA
Communities and Local Government Secretary - TBA
Scotland Secretary - TBA
Wales Secretary - TBA
Northern Ireland Secretary - TBA

Looking at the list for a moment, I wonder if Corbyn will appoint a Shadow Brexit Secretary?

by **Vassenor** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:27 am

Boris Johnson appointed Foreign Secretary: US State Department spokesman almost laughs while hearing news

by **Valaran** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:27 am

Freefall11111 wrote:If you read the minutes, the BoE avoided cutting rates because there's not enough data. They're waiting for their meeting in August before taking any action.

I didn't read them. And effectively that's the same as saying they'll wait until when/if we get the heavier economic shocks.

by **Valaran** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:28 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Valaran wrote:

Saying a thing like that doesn't make him an idiot. It just doesn't make him predisposed to UK interests.

Boris Johnson himself says a lot of stupid things, but I wouldn't say he was an idiot.

Considering he's the foreign minister it does.

Well, our guy comes out a lot worse there...

And he's criticising Borris? Guess where he's going to be told to shove his opinions.

Boris can say that if he wants, because it will totally be great diplomacy if he does and we really have all the leverage in Europe that we need, so you know what, that sounds just like the right thing to do.

by **Minzerland** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:29 am

Vassenor wrote:
Minzerland wrote:
He better get apologizing quickly. Lol.

Why?

Just a suggestion.

by **Vassenor** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:30 am

Minzerland wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Why?

Just a suggestion.

Why should he have to apologise for an opinion?

Or are we saying people shouldn't be allowed to criticise Boris for being a racist idiot?

by **Wolfmanne2** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:30 am

Skinner will love the new Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster because he's a miner who got on his bike and looked for work when the mines were closing down.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_McLoughlin

by **Valaran** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:32 am

Vassenor wrote:
Why should he have to apologise for an opinion?

Or are we saying people shouldn't be allowed to criticise Boris for being a racist idiot?

It affects the working relationship he will have with these nations. Such impressions actually do matter quite a lot in diplomacy - if a nation feels the the UK's FM is effectively not someone they can work with, due to his expressed dislike of their nation, they'll care less about working with the UK, or circumvent Boris (which is not always a great move as Boris may try to shut down any circumvention).

Conversely, an apology is a fairly painless way to show that he'll be more diplomatic on the job.

by **Freefall11111** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:33 am

No comment.

by **Valaran** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:34 am

Freefall11111 wrote:No comment.
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by **Vassenor** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:34 am

Brace yourselves, a brain drain is coming.

Racist, xenophobic and anti-intellectual: Academics threaten to leave Brexit Britain

by **Parti Ouvrier** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:34 am

Vassenor wrote:Boris Johnson appointed Foreign Secretary: US State Department spokesman almost laughs while hearing news

It could be argued that to appoint Boris to this position is a clever move on May's part.

by **Valaran** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:35 am

Parti Ouvrier wrote:
Vassenor wrote:Boris Johnson appointed Foreign Secretary: US State Department spokesman almost laughs while hearing news

It could be argued that to appoint Boris to this position is a clever move on May's part.

I certainly thought it was. I think it works out well for both her and Boris, tbh.

by **Dooom35796821595** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:35 am

Valaran wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Considering he's the foreign minister it does.

Well, our guy comes out a lot worse there...

And he's criticising Borris? Guess where he's going to be told to shove his opinions.

Boris can say that if he wants, because it will totally be great diplomacy if he does and we really have all the leverage in Europe that we need, so you know what, that sounds just like the right thing to do.

I never advocated for Borris to be foreign secretary, that doesn't make the French one any less stupid. Hell, saying someone isn't as stupid as Borris is like when people try to justify a country by saying it's better then North Korea. Being better then the clown isn't much of an achievement.

by **Minzerland** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:38 am

Vassenor wrote:
Minzerland wrote:
Just a suggestion.

Why should he have to apologise for an opinion?

Or are we saying people shouldn't be allowed to criticise Boris for being a racist idiot?

It is called being courteous in the public sphere, impressions matter.

by **Imperializt Russia** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:39 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:I will get it, one glorious day.

Have you considered running as an MP? I'm sure if you find an area that supports nationalisation of energy firms you could make that your issue.

I certainly want to go into nuclear policy, then maybe eventually into "government".

It's been repeatedly suggested to me by people in the industry that having the industry experience prior will make me relevant and worth listening to.

by **Valaran** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:39 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:
I never advocated for Borris to be foreign secretary, that doesn't make the French one any less stupid. Hell, saying someone isn't as stupid as Borris is like when people try to justify a country by saying it's better then North Korea. Being better then the clown isn't much of an achievement.

Well, I don't believe either are stupid, and instead am inclined to think both pander to national 'opinions' and personal ambitions.

My opinions on Boris are quite resolutely negative, but I'm not going to unfairly attack his intelligence. He has some political skill, at the very least, and perhaps more so than many politicians right now.

by **Imperializt Russia** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:40 am

Freefall11111 wrote:Reminder that this woman was once an MP.

Hmm. I liked her that one time she was on HIGNFY.
Didn't even realise she'd left the government.

When did that happen?

"Currently head of news site Heat Street"
Wait, isn't that British Infowars?

by **Great Nepal** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:41 am

...get back here thread

by **Freefall11111** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:45 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:Reminder that this woman was once an MP.

Hmm. I liked her that one time she was on HIGNFY.
Didn't even realise she'd left the government.

When did that happen?

"Currently head of news site Heat Street"
Wait, isn't that British Infowars?

She resigned as MP in 2012, two years after being elected, and moved to the USA.

by **Freefall11111** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:47 am

Crabb is gone.

by **Ifreann** » Thu Jul 14, 2016 5:47 am

Souseiseki wrote:things you'd like to see: new chancellor trying to figure out how to stop the economy getting progressively worse without more cuts or compensatory tax rises (PUNISHMENTO BUDGET!)

*Hammond looking through Osborne's old desk*
"It's nothing but scissors!"

Valaran wrote:
Freefall11111 wrote:No comment.
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