UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[Imperializt Russia]

My point is that weather you have them or not, its going to have very little affect on the cost of having a child because of the current price of having a child and the rate the price is rising at.

You seem to be saying that reducing the cost of having a child will not reduce the cost of having a child.

I respectfully decline to respond to this statement.

This seems to have the underlying assumption that grammar schools somehow reduce the cost of raising a child.

This has yet to be substantiated.

[Lesser Tofu]

Schools don't make much difference to peoples' lives or their value as workers. That is mostly determined by genetic traits.

But we should not supertax people with the best genetic traits.

By that very argument, the elite can just send their children to comps -- after all, it wont make any difference.

If you have the wrong DNA, you're not going to get in to Oxford.

At Oxford presently, can confirm as nonsense.

[The Nihilistic view]

An alternative to grammars would be bin schools. Most disruption is due to a small number of people - bin them.

Instead of being for the top 20%, grammars would be for the top 80%.

Bin schools, hilarious idea.

[Conscentia]

We need more grammar schools- I applaud what the PM is doing in this instance.
Grammar schools are proven to increase social mobility- how could they not? They allow children from a less privileged background who would be unable to afford private school fees to have access to top education outside of the normal curriculum, suited to their needs. This allows them to flourish- in an average comprehensive, one hour per day of teaching is lost to bad behaviour. This should not be allowed; our best & brightest should not be undermined by the bad behaviour of the dim, dumb, dirty child at the back, pulling faces at the teacher.

You realise that schools already have a practice of sorting students in classes according to academic ability?

[HMS Vanguard]

Schools don't make much difference to peoples' lives or their value as workers. That is mostly determined by genetic traits.

But we should not supertax people with the best genetic traits.

By that very argument, the elite can just send their children to comps -- after all, it wont make any difference.

Academically, that is true. Socially, it will be highly unpleasant for them. People do not want to expose their children to that kind of abuse.

If you have the wrong DNA, you're not going to get in to Oxford.

At Oxford presently, can confirm as nonsense.

Err, how does being at Oxford put you in a position to confirm that?

[Alvecia]

You seem to be saying that reducing the cost of having a child will not reduce the cost of having a child.

I respectfully decline to respond to this statement.

This seems to have the underlying assumption that grammar schools somehow reduce the cost of raising a child.

This has yet to be substantiated.

That seems to be a recurring trend in most of Vanguards assertions.

[Vassenor]

We need more grammar schools- I applaud what the PM is doing in this instance.
Grammar schools are proven to increase social mobility- how could they not? They allow children from a less privileged background who would be unable to afford private school fees to have access to top education outside of the normal curriculum, suited to their needs. This allows them to flourish- in an average comprehensive, one hour per day of teaching is lost to bad behaviour. This should not be allowed; our best & brightest should not be undermined by the bad behaviour of the dim, dumb, dirty child at the back, pulling faces at the teacher.

Oh good, if it's been proven then you can provide us with the study that proved it.

Also this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... l-mobility

[Rufford]

By that very argument, the elite can just send their children to comps -- after all, it wont make any difference.

Academically, that is true. Socially, it will be highly unpleasant for them. People do not want to expose their children to that kind of abuse.

At Oxford presently, can confirm as nonsense.

Err, how does being at Oxford put you in a position to confirm that?

I think you know if someone makes you piss in a tube or gives you an injection.

[Lamadia III]

We need more grammar schools- I applaud what the PM is doing in this instance.
Grammar schools are proven to increase social mobility- how could they not? They allow children from a less privileged background who would be unable to afford private school fees to have access to top education outside of the normal curriculum, suited to their needs. This allows them to flourish- in an average comprehensive, one hour per day of teaching is lost to bad behaviour. This should not be allowed; our best & brightest should not be undermined by the bad behaviour of the dim, dumb, dirty child at the back, pulling faces at the teacher.

Oh good, if it's been proven then you can provide us with the study that proved it.

Also this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... l-mobility

Hogwash from a biased, left-wing source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gra ... 78836.html
Either way, they offer a place for good children to be educated, separating them from the dims.

[HMS Vanguard]

This seems to have the underlying assumption that grammar schools somehow reduce the cost of raising a child.

This has yet to be substantiated.

That seems to be a recurring trend in most of Vanguards assertions.

You are confused why being able to send a child to a grammar school might be cheaper than sending the child to a private school?

Can I suggest that you urgently ask a nearby adult to tell you how to tie your own shoelaces?

[Alvecia]

That seems to be a recurring trend in most of Vanguards assertions.

You are confused why being able to send a child to a grammar school might be cheaper than sending the child to a private school?

Can I suggest that you urgently ask a nearby adult to tell you how to tie your own shoelaces?

Yes. That was what I was referring to.

[Lesser Tofu]

Academically, that is true. Socially, it will be highly unpleasant for them. People do not want to expose their children to that kind of abuse.

Oh boo hoo.

Little elite brats might have to actually talk to commoners. However will they cope.

Err, how does being at Oxford put you in a position to confirm that?

I think I'd remember the blood test...

[Vassenor]

Oh good, if it's been proven then you can provide us with the study that proved it.

Also this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... l-mobility

Hogwash from a biased, left-wing source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gra ... 78836.html
Either way, they offer a place for good children to be educated, separating them from the dims.

But "this school helped me so all of them must help everyone" is somehow better.

If it is proven, there must be an actual peer reviewed study proving it. So show us.

[HMS Vanguard]

Academically, that is true. Socially, it will be highly unpleasant for them. People do not want to expose their children to that kind of abuse.

Oh boo hoo.

Little elite brats might have to actually talk to commoners. However will they cope.

Regardless whether parents act irrationally when they try to prevent their children being bullied, they are still going to do it, so it is still a consideration in formulating social policy.

Err, how does being at Oxford put you in a position to confirm that?

I think I'd remember the blood test...

Missing the point so badly I'd like to think you are not at Oxford. Studying something soft at least?

[Rufford]

Oh good, if it's been proven then you can provide us with the study that proved it.

Also this: https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... l-mobility

Hogwash from a biased, left-wing source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gra ... 78836.html
Either way, they offer a place for good children to be educated, separating them from the dims.

How many times do we have to say that modern schools have sets based on academic ability. At my school we have Sets A 1, 2, 3 and 4 as the top sets and B 1, 2, 3 and 4 with A1 as the top set and B4 as the bottom set (I'm in A1 for almost everything and A2 for some things).

[CoraSpia]

Hogwash from a biased, left-wing source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gra ... 78836.html
Either way, they offer a place for good children to be educated, separating them from the dims.

How many times do we have to say that modern schools have sets based on academic ability. At my school we have Sets A 1, 2, 3 and 4 as the top sets and B 1, 2, 3 and 4 with A1 as the top set and B4 as the bottom set (I'm in A1 for almost everything and A2 for some things).

Not all learning takes place in the classroom, you know.

[HMS Vanguard]

Hogwash from a biased, left-wing source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gra ... 78836.html
Either way, they offer a place for good children to be educated, separating them from the dims.

How many times do we have to say that modern schools have sets based on academic ability. At my school we have Sets A 1, 2, 3 and 4 as the top sets and B 1, 2, 3 and 4 with A1 as the top set and B4 as the bottom set (I'm in A1 for almost everything and A2 for some things).

Then what are we even arguing about? Just make A1 and B1 schools and you have the grammar system.

[Lamadia III]

Hogwash from a biased, left-wing source.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/gra ... 78836.html
Either way, they offer a place for good children to be educated, separating them from the dims.

But "this school helped me so all of them must help everyone" is somehow better.

If it is proven, there must be an actual peer reviewed study proving it. So show us.

Oh I just noticed the transgender-segment on your signature.
Using your own source; https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... nt-to-them
Grammar schools work- we need to get those from deprived backgrounds to use them, to encourage intelligence. With a test at the end of primary school to assess this, as well as tests throughout secondary school, this could be achieved; push people regardless of their class into this system, and it will work, as The Guardian you will love so much will tell you.

[Rufford]

How many times do we have to say that modern schools have sets based on academic ability. At my school we have Sets A 1, 2, 3 and 4 as the top sets and B 1, 2, 3 and 4 with A1 as the top set and B4 as the bottom set (I'm in A1 for almost everything and A2 for some things).

Not all learning takes place in the classroom, you know.

I know that better than most people my age.

[Vassenor]

Oh I just noticed the transgender-segment on your signature.

Question: What the hell does that have to do with my argument?

[Rufford]

How many times do we have to say that modern schools have sets based on academic ability. At my school we have Sets A 1, 2, 3 and 4 as the top sets and B 1, 2, 3 and 4 with A1 as the top set and B4 as the bottom set (I'm in A1 for almost everything and A2 for some things).

Then what are we even arguing about? Just make A1 and B1 schools and you have the grammar system.

I was aiming that at Lamadia btw.

[Lamadia III]

Oh I just noticed the transgender-segment on your signature.

Question: What the hell does that have to do with my argument?

Absolutely nothing at all.
Strawman....

[Eastfield Lodge]

But "this school helped me so all of them must help everyone" is somehow better.

If it is proven, there must be an actual peer reviewed study proving it. So show us.

Oh I just noticed the transgender-segment on your signature.
Using your own source; https://www.theguardian.com/education/2 ... nt-to-them
Grammar schools work- we need to get those from deprived backgrounds to use them, to encourage intelligence. With a test at the end of primary school to assess this, as well as tests throughout secondary school, this could be achieved; push people regardless of their class into this system, and it will work, as The Guardian you will love so much will tell you.

You do realise that there will still be a class gradient in entry - people in deprived areas tend to have less well-achieving primary schools, which in turn detriments learning anyways. The kid from the poor background is still at a disadvantage compared to the rich kid, who's had a comfortable primary school experience, and probably lots of extra tuition as well.

[Vassenor]

Question: What the hell does that have to do with my argument?

Absolutely nothing at all.
Strawman....

So why bring it up?

Unless you were trying to go genetic.

[HMS Vanguard]

Absolutely nothing at all.
Strawman....

So why bring it up?

Unless you were trying to go genetic.

Why put it in your signature if you don't want it brought up? No one wants to know or call you by your name. I have never seen anyone call you by your name. I do not know any other poster (maybe some other transsexual for whom The World Must Know) who has their real name in their signature.

The whole subject is horrifyingly boring of course, but don't act all outraged that someone mentioned it.