UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[Lamadia III]

We need more grammar schools- I applaud what the PM is doing in this instance.
Grammar schools are proven to increase social mobility- how could they not? They allow children from a less privileged background who would be unable to afford private school fees to have access to top education outside of the normal curriculum, suited to their needs. This allows them to flourish- in an average comprehensive, one hour per day of teaching is lost to bad behaviour. This should not be allowed; our best & brightest should not be undermined by the bad behaviour of the dim, dumb, dirty child at the back, pulling faces at the teacher.

[Olivaero]

You know the narratives we make up for the way the world works are very rarely as correct as we think they are, esepecially when we try to make them up about our rivals. My schooling wasn't fucked up by the non existence of grammar schools, In fact I did pretty shitty on my second round of SATS because I was a kid who didn't fully appreciate exams. There are plenty of none radical progressive feminists in the party, although I hesitate to say that because I have no idea what you consider a radical progressive anymore. And as for society being feing fucked up, well there have been 6 years of tory rule so far, I don't see that it's getting any better, do you?

Maybe i'm too caught up in a narrative, you're right, but it seems to explain a lot.
That's an argument for grammar school reform rather than abolition. They should have had multiple periods where it was possible to gain entry.
Ofcourse there are plenty of non-radicals in labour, but how many drive policy decisions?

It's not getting much better, I agree. But they haven't managed to completely implode an institution in the meantime.

Our brains are prone to story telling and seeing things that confirm the pattern, in reality the world is far too complex for our simple stories to be correct. Well right now? I don't know, define radical progressive for me if you would. The left is definitly in it's ascendancy atm with even Smith taking up a staunchly left wing message. And I don't know... how successful have they been at suppressing radical faith schools? Although to be fair I'm not sure labour would of been any better.

[HMS Vanguard]

You're 10 to 14 points down. The radical left is a small fish in a big pond that thinks it is rapidly growing but in fact is only rapidly shrinking the pond.

[Ifreann]

And you thought my response about the price of raising a child was stupid.

My observations are ahead of their time, while yours are nonsensical.

You think you're ahead of your time in believing that genetic traits determine the course of people's lives?

People thought shit like that before ol' Friar Gregor started getting weird about his peas.

[Souseiseki]

You're 10 to 14 points down. The radical left is a small fish in a big pond that thinks it is rapidly growing but in fact is only rapidly shrinking the pond.

you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it stop voting against its own interests

i think that's how the saying goes

[HMS Vanguard]

My observations are ahead of their time, while yours are nonsensical.

You think you're ahead of your time in believing that genetic traits determine the course of people's lives?

People thought shit like that before ol' Friar Gregor started getting weird about his peas.

As a scientist I am behind the times. But as a political commentator, far ahead.

Most of the political commentariat believes in Lysenkoism, and thus has nothing of value to say on this and many other subjects.

[Rufford]

And you thought my response about the price of raising a child was stupid.

My observations are ahead of their time, while yours are nonsensical.

thats going in my sig

[Olivaero]

You're 10 to 14 points down. The radical left is a small fish in a big pond that thinks it is rapidly growing but in fact is only rapidly shrinking the pond.

To clarify I meant within the party.

[HMS Vanguard]

You're 10 to 14 points down. The radical left is a small fish in a big pond that thinks it is rapidly growing but in fact is only rapidly shrinking the pond.

To clarify I meant within the party.

Right, but you're not growing within the party, you're shrinking the party.

[Rufford]

We need more grammar schools- I applaud what the PM is doing in this instance.
Grammar schools are proven to increase social mobility- how could they not? They allow children from a less privileged background who would be unable to afford private school fees to have access to top education outside of the normal curriculum, suited to their needs. This allows them to flourish- in an average comprehensive, one hour per day of teaching is lost to bad behaviour. This should not be allowed; our best & brightest should not be undermined by the bad behaviour of the dim, dumb, dirty child at the back, pulling faces at the teacher.

Pulling faces at the teacher would happen at any school, but lets not get into stuff that happens at school again...

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Schools don't make much difference to peoples' lives or their value as workers. That is mostly determined by genetic traits.

But we should not supertax people with the best genetic traits.

Please proceed directly to Stockholm to collect your Nobel Prize.

[Alvecia]

You think you're ahead of your time in believing that genetic traits determine the course of people's lives?

People thought shit like that before ol' Friar Gregor started getting weird about his peas.

As a scientist I am behind the times. But as a political commentator, far ahead.

Most of the political commentariat believes in Lysenkoism, and thus has nothing of value to say on this and many other subjects.

It's never the people who think they're ahead of their time who are ahead of their time

[HMS Vanguard]

An alternative to grammars would be bin schools. Most disruption is due to a small number of people - bin them.

Instead of being for the top 20%, grammars would be for the top 80%.

[Olivaero]

To clarify I meant within the party.

Right, but you're not growing within the party, you're shrinking the party.

Or... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/04/labour-party-made-10-million-more-than-tories-last-year-followin/ not.

[HMS Vanguard]

As a scientist I am behind the times. But as a political commentator, far ahead.

Most of the political commentariat believes in Lysenkoism, and thus has nothing of value to say on this and many other subjects.

It's never the people who think they're ahead of their time who are ahead of their time

It almost always is, but there are more people who think they're ahead of their time than actually are.

I might be wrong, but probably not, because all the real (scientific) work was already done by others. My only skill as the ability to see through bullshit, combined with a wide-ranging curiosity.

[HMS Vanguard]

Right, but you're not growing within the party, you're shrinking the party.

Or... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/04/labour-party-made-10-million-more-than-tories-last-year-followin/ not.

Gaining members, losing voters. Parties don't win power on the back of the votes of their members.

[Lexten]

Why is competition key? Nobody chooses what hospital they go to for A&E or factors in the quality of the hospitals in the area when they move house.

Because then you can compare outcomes and hospitals can adopt policies that are better suited to serve the public.

But what are they competing for?

[Rufford]

Or... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/04/labour-party-made-10-million-more-than-tories-last-year-followin/ not.

Gaining members, losing voters. Parties don't win power on the back of the votes of their members.

They can indirectly, the members chose the leader, the leader is the main draw/deterrent for voters.

[Olivaero]

Or... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/04/labour-party-made-10-million-more-than-tories-last-year-followin/ not.

Gaining members, losing voters. Parties don't win power on the back of the votes of their members.

So yeah... gaining members. Growing the party.

[Alvecia]

It's never the people who think they're ahead of their time who are ahead of their time

It almost always is, but there are more people who think they're ahead of their time than actually are.

I might be wrong, but probably not, because all the real (scientific) work was already done by others. My only skill as the ability to see through bullshit, combined with a wide-ranging curiosity.

Sure mate, you keep thinking that.
And thinking that, and thinking that until you've spent most of your life believing in bullshit geneticism

[HMS Vanguard]

Gaining members, losing voters. Parties don't win power on the back of the votes of their members.

They can indirectly, the members chose the leader, the leader is the main draw/deterrent for voters.

The point being that the members are happy to elect a leader who can't win a general election but whom they like.

They want to be a big fish in a small pond.

The ultimate solution to this is a Labour split into two new parties, and a four-way duel between the Blairites, Corbynistas, Lib Dems and Greens for an electable base, that will see the left out of power for 20 years.

[Britanno 3]

We need more grammar schools- I applaud what the PM is doing in this instance.
Grammar schools are proven to increase social mobility- how could they not? They allow children from a less privileged background who would be unable to afford private school fees to have access to top education outside of the normal curriculum, suited to their needs. This allows them to flourish- in an average comprehensive, one hour per day of teaching is lost to bad behaviour. This should not be allowed; our best & brightest should not be undermined by the bad behaviour of the dim, dumb, dirty child at the back, pulling faces at the teacher.

Could you maybe post some of this proof?

[Rufford]

It's never the people who think they're ahead of their time who are ahead of their time

It almost always is, but there are more people who think they're ahead of their time than actually are.

I might be wrong, but probably not, because all the real (scientific) work was already done by others. My only skill as the ability to see through bullshit, combined with a wide-ranging curiosity.

That makes sense, you don't see bulshit, you smell it. You can't even smell your own bulshit.

[HMS Vanguard]

It almost always is, but there are more people who think they're ahead of their time than actually are.

I might be wrong, but probably not, because all the real (scientific) work was already done by others. My only skill as the ability to see through bullshit, combined with a wide-ranging curiosity.

That makes sense, you don't see bulshit, you smell it. You can't even smell your own bulshit.

You cannot even spell bullshit.

[Rufford]

That makes sense, you don't see bulshit, you smell it. You can't even smell your own bulshit.

You cannot even spell bullshit.

Your missing the point.