UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[The Nihilistic view]

can you flesh out your opinion a little bit

Clearly clapping means I would hate such a policy change.....

[Rufford]

What are grammar schools, and why were they banned?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grammar_school Basically where the clever kids used to go.

[Souseiseki]

can you flesh out your opinion a little bit

Clearly clapping means I would hate such a policy change.....

well yes but just clapping is literally spam and is completely useless in a political thread. yes, tory supports tory policy, big woop. why?

[Lamadia III]

Oh no, I wasn't really implying it. I was saying it pretty bluntly.

I think we can all agree that my parents are not 'scroungers'- my mum performs essential, life-saving surgeries. She must be a scounger, mustn’t she? How dare she get paid a good salary when she saves lives?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/theresa-may-to-end-ban-on-new-grammar-schools/

Theresa May is planning to launch a new generation of grammar schools by scrapping the ban on them imposed almost 20 years ago, The Telegraph has learnt.

In a move that will be cheered by Tory grassroots, the Prime Minister intends to pave the way for a new wave of selective schools.

Mrs May is understood to see the reintroduction of grammar schools - banned by Tony Blair in 1998 - as a key part of her social cohesion agenda.

The historic shift in education policy is expected to be announced by the end of the year, possibly as early as the Conservatives’ annual party conference in October.

It marks a major departure from David Cameron’s education policy, with the former prime minister repeatedly refusing to give in to pressure from backbenchers on the issue.

A government source said allowing new grammar schools was about “social mobility and making sure that people have the opportunity to capitalise on all of their talents”.

“If you’re a really bright kid you should have the opportunity to excel as far as your talents take you,” it added.

Tory MPs who have campaigned for the change for years were jubilant last night, saying allowing more academic selection would be “fantastic” and a “victory for common sense”.

Good. Absolutely the right decision.
Bring in more social mobility; let children regardless of their background thrive based on their skills, rather than bundling them together with the bad kids.

[Rufford]

Clearly clapping means I would hate such a policy change.....

well yes but just clapping is literally spam and is completely useless in a political thread. yes, tory supports tory policy, big woop. why?

I think he's sort of trying to say no shit sherlock

[Eastfield Lodge]

Oh no, I wasn't really implying it. I was saying it pretty bluntly.

I think we can all agree that my parents are not 'scroungers'- my mum performs essential, life-saving surgeries. She must be a scounger, mustn’t she? How dare she get paid a good salary when she saves lives?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/theresa-may-to-end-ban-on-new-grammar-schools/

Theresa May is planning to launch a new generation of grammar schools by scrapping the ban on them imposed almost 20 years ago, The Telegraph has learnt.

In a move that will be cheered by Tory grassroots, the Prime Minister intends to pave the way for a new wave of selective schools.

Mrs May is understood to see the reintroduction of grammar schools - banned by Tony Blair in 1998 - as a key part of her social cohesion agenda.

The historic shift in education policy is expected to be announced by the end of the year, possibly as early as the Conservatives’ annual party conference in October.

It marks a major departure from David Cameron’s education policy, with the former prime minister repeatedly refusing to give in to pressure from backbenchers on the issue.

A government source said allowing new grammar schools was about “social mobility and making sure that people have the opportunity to capitalise on all of their talents”.

“If you’re a really bright kid you should have the opportunity to excel as far as your talents take you,” it added.

Tory MPs who have campaigned for the change for years were jubilant last night, saying allowing more academic selection would be “fantastic” and a “victory for common sense”.

Good. Absolutely the right decision.
Bring in more social mobility; let children regardless of their background thrive based on their skills, rather than bundling them together with the bad kids.

Assuming they're publicly funded schools, that is. Quite hard to engender social mobility at £10,000/year.

[Rufford]

I think we can all agree that my parents are not 'scroungers'- my mum performs essential, life-saving surgeries. She must be a scounger, mustn’t she? How dare she get paid a good salary when she saves lives?

Good. Absolutely the right decision.
Bring in more social mobility; let children regardless of their background thrive based on their skills, rather than bundling them together with the bad kids.

Assuming they're publicly funded schools, that is. Quite hard to engender social mobility at £10,000/year.

If they wern't publicly funded then they'd be private schools.

[Lamadia III]

Assuming they're publicly funded schools, that is. Quite hard to engender social mobility at £10,000/year.

Not sure you quite get the idea?

[Souseiseki]

Assuming they're publicly funded schools, that is. Quite hard to engender social mobility at £10,000/year.

Not sure you quite get the idea?

what is the idea

[Great Nepal]

Assuming they are non-fee paying ones, the idea seems quite sensible - and natural progression from streamed systems already present within schools; students with higher academic aptitude get more focused and advanced curriculum while those who are not get more slower paced curriculum with individual attention they'd require - further it could create quite good culture of academic competitiveness in new schools.
Probably want to couple this with free after school classes in late primary schools to counteract effects from tutoring but overall, definitely good.

[The Nihilistic view]

This year is turning out rather unexpected.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/theresa-may-to-end-ban-on-new-grammar-schools/

Theresa May is planning to launch a new generation of grammar schools by scrapping the ban on them imposed almost 20 years ago, The Telegraph has learnt.

In a move that will be cheered by Tory grassroots, the Prime Minister intends to pave the way for a new wave of selective schools.

Mrs May is understood to see the reintroduction of grammar schools - banned by Tony Blair in 1998 - as a key part of her social cohesion agenda.

The historic shift in education policy is expected to be announced by the end of the year, possibly as early as the Conservatives’ annual party conference in October.

It marks a major departure from David Cameron’s education policy, with the former prime minister repeatedly refusing to give in to pressure from backbenchers on the issue.

A government source said allowing new grammar schools was about “social mobility and making sure that people have the opportunity to capitalise on all of their talents”.

“If you’re a really bright kid you should have the opportunity to excel as far as your talents take you,” it added.

Tory MPs who have campaigned for the change for years were jubilant last night, saying allowing more academic selection would be “fantastic” and a “victory for common sense”.

Good. Absolutely the right decision.
Bring in more social mobility; let children regardless of their background thrive based on their skills, rather than bundling them together with the bad kids.

They don't sound like they provide more social mobility.

The group’s Rebecca Hickman said: “The claim that grammar schools will be an engine for social mobility is exposed as fallacious. It is absurd to maintain that they offer a route out of poverty when they routinely fail to offer places to children from disadvantaged backgrounds.”

“The evidence shows quite clearly that selection serves to reproduce and reinforce existing patterns of disadvantage. It’s like taking every inequality that has emerged in the first 10 years of a child’s life and then saying, ‘Right, let’s institutionalise that through a parallel schooling system.’”

[The Nihilistic view]

Assuming they are non-fee paying ones, the idea seems quite sensible - and natural progression from streamed systems already present within schools; students with higher academic aptitude get more focused and advanced curriculum while those who are not get more slower paced curriculum with individual attention they'd require - further it could create quite good culture of academic competitiveness in new schools.
Probably want to couple this with free after school classes in late primary schools to counteract effects from tutoring but overall, definitely good.

Yes, help to those that can't afford tutoring would be a good addition.

[Conscentia]

This year is turning out rather unexpected.

How so? What did you expect?

[The Nihilistic view]

This year is turning out rather unexpected.

How so? What did you expect?

In a microcosm more cameron beige, osborne corporatism, EU integration following a remain vote, Tory civil war after referendum.

Instead we have Labour civil war, end of Camborne, Boris as Foreign Secretary, Brexit, looks like Grammar Schools and at least a rethink over Chinese involvement in the new Nuclear power stations.

[Frank Zipper]

Raising the prospect of grammar schools seems like the political equivalent of shouting 'look, a flying pig'.

[The Nihilistic view]

Raising the prospect of grammar schools seems like the political equivalent of shouting 'look, a flying pig'.

So what do you do when the pig actually takes flight?

[Rufford]

Raising the prospect of grammar schools seems like the political equivalent of shouting 'look, a flying pig'.

So what do you do when the pig actually takes flight?

The pig is already flying.

[Conscentia]

Raising the prospect of grammar schools seems like the political equivalent of shouting 'look, a flying pig'.

So what do you do when the pig actually takes flight?

Go ice skating in Hell?

[Frank Zipper]

Raising the prospect of grammar schools seems like the political equivalent of shouting 'look, a flying pig'.

So what do you do when the pig actually takes flight?

There is no pig.

[Alvecia]

Raising the prospect of grammar schools seems like the political equivalent of shouting 'look, a flying pig'.

So what do you do when the pig actually takes flight?

Wake up

[Rufford]

So what do you do when the pig actually takes flight?

There is no pig.

So what are they trying to distract us from then? I can't think of much at the moment thats so bad that they'd need to do that.

[Elepis]

So what do you do when the pig actually takes flight?

The pig is already flying.

your back!

[Frank Zipper]

There is no pig.

So what are they trying to distract us from then? I can't think of much at the moment thats so bad that they'd need to do that.

I don't know either. Perhaps it is just to cover an absence of doing something.

[Rufford]

The pig is already flying.

your back!

Yep, I said why i was away a few pages ago, I've got more time now.