UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[Wolfmanne2]

I was 19, didn't need one before then. To be honest a range rover at 17 sounds a stupid idea, I would not support myself having a car like that. I had a 4-5 year old polo, that sort of thing is all one needs to start out at most.

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

[Imperializt Russia]

I don't really get the appeal of owning cars, esp in areas with decent transport links... why do you want to pay the massive insurance bill, and be forced to give undivided concentration for half an hour+ each way, instead of just getting a bus for relatively okay-ish price, do your stuff for that time and let someone else drive you around? Sure in villages the transport situation is probably quite different (unfortunately) but I'm assuming most people here are in cities/ towns?

Believe it or not but some people actually enjoy driving. The clue is how popular motorsport is.

I enjoy watching motorsport, but I don't think I'd "enjoy" driving (in some situations, but to call me 'inexperienced' would be an understatement).

It's a very different sensation.

[Imperializt Russia]

I was 19, didn't need one before then. To be honest a range rover at 17 sounds a stupid idea, I would not support myself having a car like that. I had a 4-5 year old polo, that sort of thing is all one needs to start out at most.

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

*struggling to resist temptation to make finance/warehouse work comparison*

[Lamadia III]

I was 19, didn't need one before then. To be honest a range rover at 17 sounds a stupid idea, I would not support myself having a car like that. I had a 4-5 year old polo, that sort of thing is all one needs to start out at most.

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

I would actually see my parents as 'middle class', rather than anything else.
And vice-versa, in fact; the nurses my mother works with are working class, and she appreciates them. The majority of the wealthy are not 'scroungers'- and certainly not my parents, if that is what you are implying?

[Northern Roman Africa]

If your anywhere outside london, having a car makes transport ten times easier

[Val Halla]

I was 19, didn't need one before then. To be honest a range rover at 17 sounds a stupid idea, I would not support myself having a car like that. I had a 4-5 year old polo, that sort of thing is all one needs to start out at most.

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

You're generalising the long time unemployed a lot. Some can't work for a number of legitimate reasons.

Believe it or not but some people actually enjoy driving. The clue is how popular motorsport is.

I enjoy watching motorsport, but I don't think I'd "enjoy" driving (in some situations, but to call me 'inexperienced' would be an understatement).

It's a very different sensation.

I'm willing to bet most would piss their pants in an F1 car, if they could drive it.

[Alvecia]

I enjoy watching motorsport, but I don't think I'd "enjoy" driving (in some situations, but to call me 'inexperienced' would be an understatement).

It's a very different sensation.

I'm willing to bet most would piss their pants in an F1 car, if they could drive it.

That'd probaby be me. I get pretty nervous just going round a decent bend at anything above 30.

[Wolfmanne2]

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

*struggling to resist temptation to make finance/warehouse work comparison*

Both involve hard work, but the work may not necessarily be of the same value.

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

I would actually see my parents as 'middle class', rather than anything else.
And vice-versa, in fact; the nurses my mother works with are working class, and she appreciates them. The majority of the wealthy are not 'scroungers'- and certainly not my parents, if that is what you are implying?

Oh no, I wasn't really implying it. I was saying it pretty bluntly.

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

You're generalising the long time unemployed a lot. Some can't work for a number of legitimate reasons.

Well, as you say so yourself, some. Most are just useless.

[The Nihilistic view]

Driving V public transport.

-Your own space in your car no risk of crowding
-Listen to whatever you want with a sound system better than headphones
-Windows you can put down for a breeze, modern public transport seems to have done away with windows that open a decent amount or even at all and get hot more often than not.
-Start your journey when you want to. Not confined to when trains or buses might stop running.
-Over longer distances for most normal people who can't get a railcard or people who travel peak times it's often no more exspense and sometimes cheaper.
-More reliable quite often, I have had two jobs so far. One I drove to and one I got the train. Driving got me where I need to be on time more often. If you get traffic with a Handheld device called a map one can avoid it and go an alternative route. Public transport you can't do this. Center of big cities the only real time this is not the case.
-Comfortable seats, buses espechally seem designed to give you a shit time.
-Enjoyment of driving, some people enjoy it.


In general more freedom, control and a nicer experience.

[Wolfmanne2]

Driving V public transport.

-Your own space in your car no risk of crowding
-Listen to whatever you want with a sound system better than headphones
-Windows you can put down for a breeze, modern public transport seems to have done away with windows that open a decent amount or even at all and get hot more often than not.
-Start your journey when you want to. Not confined to when trains or buses might stop running.
-Over longer distances for most normal people who can't get a railcard or people who travel peak times it's often no more exspense and sometimes cheaper.
-More reliable quite often, I have had two jobs so far. One I drove to and one I got the train. Driving got me where I need to be on time more often. If you get traffic with a hand device called a map one can avoid it and go an alternative route. Public transport you can't do this. Center of bid cities the only real time this is not the case.
-Comfortable seats, buses espechally seem designed to give you a shit time.
-Enjoyment of driving, some people enjoy it.


In general more freedom, control and a nicer experience.

Plus an important sign of whether you've succeeded or failed in life once you get to the age of about 30 .

EDIT: 26... sheesh, Maggie was harsh.

[Frank Zipper]

Have I stumbled into an episode of Made in Chelsea?

[Wolfmanne2]

Have I stumbled into an episode of Made in Chelsea?

More like Open All Hours in my case.

[The Nihilistic view]

Driving V public transport.

-Your own space in your car no risk of crowding
-Listen to whatever you want with a sound system better than headphones
-Windows you can put down for a breeze, modern public transport seems to have done away with windows that open a decent amount or even at all and get hot more often than not.
-Start your journey when you want to. Not confined to when trains or buses might stop running.
-Over longer distances for most normal people who can't get a railcard or people who travel peak times it's often no more exspense and sometimes cheaper.
-More reliable quite often, I have had two jobs so far. One I drove to and one I got the train. Driving got me where I need to be on time more often. If you get traffic with a hand device called a map one can avoid it and go an alternative route. Public transport you can't do this. Center of bid cities the only real time this is not the case.
-Comfortable seats, buses espechally seem designed to give you a shit time.
-Enjoyment of driving, some people enjoy it.


In general more freedom, control and a nicer experience.

Plus an important sign of whether you've succeeded or failed in life once you get to the age of about 30 .

So vote Tory and it increases your chances of owning an M3 and a wife with bigger breasts!

[The Nihilistic view]

I was 19, didn't need one before then. To be honest a range rover at 17 sounds a stupid idea, I would not support myself having a car like that. I had a 4-5 year old polo, that sort of thing is all one needs to start out at most.

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

More money than sense springs to mind. The most I recall from my own school somebody had was a new BMW 118. A nice car of course but nothing like that. Most had a second hand car a few old bangers. So it's not most wealthy people but some go way over the top.

[The Nihilistic view]

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

You're generalising the long time unemployed a lot. Some can't work for a number of legitimate reasons.

I enjoy watching motorsport, but I don't think I'd "enjoy" driving (in some situations, but to call me 'inexperienced' would be an understatement).

It's a very different sensation.

I'm willing to bet most would piss their pants in an F1 car, if they could drive it.

Safest car in he world in a crash pretty much a modern F1 car. What is there to worry about?

[Wolfmanne2]

It is. Can't understand the need for one, can't understand why a parent what do such a thing, but hey, different world. Frankly the wealthy aren't too different from the long-term unemployed in that they're both a bunch of scroungers who couldn't survive in the real world and don't know the value of working/middle class hard work.

More money than sense springs to mind. The most I recall from my own school somebody had was a new BMW 118. A nice car of course but nothing like that. Most had a second hand car a few old bangers. So it's not most wealthy people but some go way over the top.

Yeah that seems about right. Those with 'more money than sense' seem to forget that Thatcher's biggest lesson from her parents was frugality. After all, she did apply that whole line of thinking to how she governed the nation, you would have thought that such a lesson would have stuck to those in love with her.

[The Nihilistic view]

More money than sense springs to mind. The most I recall from my own school somebody had was a new BMW 118. A nice car of course but nothing like that. Most had a second hand car a few old bangers. So it's not most wealthy people but some go way over the top.

Yeah that seems about right. Those with 'more money than sense' seem to forget that Thatcher's biggest lesson from her parents was frugality. After all, she did apply that whole line of thinking to how she governed the nation, you would have thought that such a lesson would have stuck to those in love with her.

Stuck with me lol. Only buy a new ipod when it dies, go to sim only until a phone dies after initial contract, my work laptop is 7 years old etc. I buy nice stuff when I have to replace something but this fixation with the latest thing when something else is still perfectly good seems silly to me. I don't buy a whole new wardrobe because it's a new season, I would never buy a new car (other than my dream car) , buy the test model for all the extras at 20% off and keep it for 10 years. Etc. I'm no scrooge but I like to use things up when they still work fine.

My one weakness is probably toys and food for my cat lol. She gets prawns, Parma ham and smoked salmon on a regular basis lol.

[Vassenor]

Plus an important sign of whether you've succeeded or failed in life once you get to the age of about 30 .

So vote Tory and it increases your chances of owning an M3 and a wife with bigger breasts!

Dear god that's an ancient Boris-ism.

[The Nihilistic view]

Oh wow, court rules against the recent changes to Labour Party voting entitlement for those previously registered as a breach of contract.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37009871

[Rufford]

Oh wow, court rules against the recent changes to Labour Party voting entitlement for those previously registered as a breach of contract.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37009871

Another battle won for the 3 quid army. That pretty much wins it for Corbyn.

[Souseiseki]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08 ... r-schools/

Theresa May is planning to launch a new generation of grammar schools by scrapping the ban on them imposed almost 20 years ago, The Telegraph has learnt.

In a move that will be cheered by Tory grassroots, the Prime Minister intends to pave the way for a new wave of selective schools.

Mrs May is understood to see the reintroduction of grammar schools - banned by Tony Blair in 1998 - as a key part of her social cohesion agenda.

The historic shift in education policy is expected to be announced by the end of the year, possibly as early as the Conservatives’ annual party conference in October.

It marks a major departure from David Cameron’s education policy, with the former prime minister repeatedly refusing to give in to pressure from backbenchers on the issue.

A government source said allowing new grammar schools was about “social mobility and making sure that people have the opportunity to capitalise on all of their talents”.

“If you’re a really bright kid you should have the opportunity to excel as far as your talents take you,” it added.

Tory MPs who have campaigned for the change for years were jubilant last night, saying allowing more academic selection would be “fantastic” and a “victory for common sense”.

[The Nihilistic view]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/theresa-may-to-end-ban-on-new-grammar-schools/

Theresa May is planning to launch a new generation of grammar schools by scrapping the ban on them imposed almost 20 years ago, The Telegraph has learnt.

In a move that will be cheered by Tory grassroots, the Prime Minister intends to pave the way for a new wave of selective schools.

Mrs May is understood to see the reintroduction of grammar schools - banned by Tony Blair in 1998 - as a key part of her social cohesion agenda.

The historic shift in education policy is expected to be announced by the end of the year, possibly as early as the Conservatives’ annual party conference in October.

It marks a major departure from David Cameron’s education policy, with the former prime minister repeatedly refusing to give in to pressure from backbenchers on the issue.

A government source said allowing new grammar schools was about “social mobility and making sure that people have the opportunity to capitalise on all of their talents”.

“If you’re a really bright kid you should have the opportunity to excel as far as your talents take you,” it added.

Tory MPs who have campaigned for the change for years were jubilant last night, saying allowing more academic selection would be “fantastic” and a “victory for common sense”.

[Souseiseki]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/theresa-may-to-end-ban-on-new-grammar-schools/

Theresa May is planning to launch a new generation of grammar schools by scrapping the ban on them imposed almost 20 years ago, The Telegraph has learnt.

In a move that will be cheered by Tory grassroots, the Prime Minister intends to pave the way for a new wave of selective schools.

Mrs May is understood to see the reintroduction of grammar schools - banned by Tony Blair in 1998 - as a key part of her social cohesion agenda.

The historic shift in education policy is expected to be announced by the end of the year, possibly as early as the Conservatives’ annual party conference in October.

It marks a major departure from David Cameron’s education policy, with the former prime minister repeatedly refusing to give in to pressure from backbenchers on the issue.

A government source said allowing new grammar schools was about “social mobility and making sure that people have the opportunity to capitalise on all of their talents”.

“If you’re a really bright kid you should have the opportunity to excel as far as your talents take you,” it added.

Tory MPs who have campaigned for the change for years were jubilant last night, saying allowing more academic selection would be “fantastic” and a “victory for common sense”.

can you flesh out your opinion a little bit

[Rufford]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/08/06/theresa-may-to-end-ban-on-new-grammar-schools/

Theresa May is planning to launch a new generation of grammar schools by scrapping the ban on them imposed almost 20 years ago, The Telegraph has learnt.

In a move that will be cheered by Tory grassroots, the Prime Minister intends to pave the way for a new wave of selective schools.

Mrs May is understood to see the reintroduction of grammar schools - banned by Tony Blair in 1998 - as a key part of her social cohesion agenda.

The historic shift in education policy is expected to be announced by the end of the year, possibly as early as the Conservatives’ annual party conference in October.

It marks a major departure from David Cameron’s education policy, with the former prime minister repeatedly refusing to give in to pressure from backbenchers on the issue.

A government source said allowing new grammar schools was about “social mobility and making sure that people have the opportunity to capitalise on all of their talents”.

“If you’re a really bright kid you should have the opportunity to excel as far as your talents take you,” it added.

Tory MPs who have campaigned for the change for years were jubilant last night, saying allowing more academic selection would be “fantastic” and a “victory for common sense”.

Tbh I don't think we need them, I think the comps (I am at one at the moment so i know) are alot better now than they were when we had grammar schools. I think they'd just be an pointless waste of money.

[Communist Xomaniax]

What are grammar schools, and why were they banned?