UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

by **Souseiseki** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:50 pm

Labour NEC votes for six month membership freeze date and two days for registered supporters with £25 fee.

by **Trodarian Benxboro Republic** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:50 pm

Hydesland wrote:What the hell is going on in Ireland: http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica ... index.html

Catching up some lost economy?

by **Souseiseki** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:54 pm

Souseiseki wrote:Labour NEC votes for six month membership freeze date and two days for registered supporters with £25 fee.

labour continues to be utterly terrified of new members lol

by **Imperializt Russia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:55 pm

Souseiseki wrote:Labour NEC votes for six month membership freeze date and two days for registered supporters with £25 fee.

'kin 'ell.

Link?

by **Arkolon** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:55 pm

Hydesland wrote:What the hell is going on in Ireland: http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica ... index.html

by **Vassenor** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:58 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:Labour NEC votes for six month membership freeze date and two days for registered supporters with £25 fee.

'kin 'ell.

Link?

Fees hike via BBC Political correspondent

by **Philjia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:08 pm

I'd have welcomed any viable alternative to Jeremy Corbyn. Unfortunately we got Angela Eagle instead.

by **Souseiseki** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:09 pm

>when someone says "I'm an EU citizen" in another thread and you go "oh..."

by **Vassenor** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:11 pm

CORRECTION: Anyone who has joined the Labour Party after February this year gets no vote in the leadership election, unless they pay a £25 fee within a given two day window that has not yet been specified.

by **Hydesland** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:12 pm

I really want that proposed centrist pro Europe mega-party to be formed now.

by **Souseiseki** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:13 pm

Hydesland wrote:I really want that proposed centrist pro Europe mega-party to be formed now.

but how would they bridge the ideological gulf between right-wing labour and moderate conservative?

by **Imperializt Russia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:13 pm

Vassenor wrote:CORRECTION: Anyone who has joined the Labour Party after February this year gets no vote in the leadership election, unless they pay a £25 fee within a given two day window that has not yet been specified.

Does that mean the original three quid brigade are still entitled to their vote without buggery?

by **Arkolon** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:13 pm

Vassenor wrote:CORRECTION: Anyone who has joined the Labour Party after February this year gets no vote in the leadership election, unless they pay a £25 fee within a given two day window that has not yet been specified.

This sounds better for Corbyn than Eagle. He's already received 60% of those ballots cast before February, whereas Eagle hasn't.

by **Vassenor** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:14 pm

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:CORRECTION: Anyone who has joined the Labour Party after February this year gets no vote in the leadership election, unless they pay a £25 fee within a given two day window that has not yet been specified.

Does that mean the original three quid brigade are still entitled to their vote without buggery?

If they were members before the arbitrary cut-off, I assume they do.

by **Geilinor** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:15 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Hydesland wrote:What the hell is going on in Ireland: http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica ... index.html

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/irish-gdp-growth-at-staggering-263pc-last-year-economist-says-figures-are-meaningless-34876688.html
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/jul/12/irish-economic-growth-revised-figures-foreign-investment-aircraft
Companies are relocating to Ireland for low taxes.

by **Vassenor** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:25 pm

UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

DISCLOSURE: I believe I've mentioned before that I have family employed in a similar situation to this.

by **Olivaero** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:26 pm

Hydesland wrote:I really want that proposed centrist pro Europe mega-party to be formed now.

Just vote lib dem?

by **Ifreann** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:28 pm

Hydesland wrote:What the hell is going on in Ireland: http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublica ... index.html

The boom is back, lads, the boom is back!

by **Souseiseki** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:30 pm

oh my god i can't get over it

the PLP are so fucking mad they can't win a democratic vote they're not trying to disenfranchise as many new members and supporters as possible

ahahahaha

by **MERIZoC** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:30 pm

Hydesland wrote:I really want that proposed centrist pro Europe mega-party to be formed now.

Mega is quite optimistic

by **Imperializt Russia** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:30 pm

Vassenor wrote:UK scientists dropped from EU projects because of post-Brexit funding fears

DISCLOSURE: I believe I've mentioned before that I have family employed in a similar situation to this.

Still not gotten around to asking if anyone's actually had their doctorate threatened yet.

Since I've not seen anyone state such (and really haven't been looking), I'll assume that presently, not.

by **Hydesland** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:31 pm

Souseiseki wrote:oh my god i can't get over it

the PLP are so fucking mad they can't win a democratic vote they're not trying to disenfranchise as many new members and supporters as possible

ahahahaha

I like to think of it more as coming to a realization that if all it takes is a few quid, being a party member is fairly meaningless.

by **Vassenor** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:32 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:oh my god i can't get over it

the PLP are so fucking mad they can't win a democratic vote they're not trying to disenfranchise as many new members and supporters as possible

ahahahaha

I like to think of it more as coming to a realization that if all it takes is a few quid, being a party member is fairly meaningless.

Why can't they just respect democracy?

by **Britanno 2** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:34 pm

Philjia wrote:I'd have welcomed any viable alternative to Jeremy Corbyn. Unfortunately we got Angela Eagle instead.

If Eagle wins she can help to repair the party seen as, realistically speaking, the Tories are on course to win a third term in 2020 (early days yet I know). Once she's brought stability back to the party, we'll be able to see if she's capable of leading in the polls. If not, my support would go to Owen Smith because I think he appears more prime ministerial. The current priority has to be removing Corbyn though.

Arkolon wrote:This sounds better for Corbyn than Eagle. He's already received 60% of those ballots cast before February, whereas Eagle hasn't.

Nah more members = more support for Corbyn because it dilutes the influence of the 'original' labour membership (basically the members who didn't join last year just to vote for Corbyn). Corbyn got 60% support last year but that will drop if the electorate is kept the same. Having more members makes it much more unpredictable.

by **Olivaero** » Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:35 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Hydesland wrote:
I like to think of it more as coming to a realization that if all it takes is a few quid, being a party member is fairly meaningless.

Why can't they just respect democracy?

Because the more people who are part of the party the less likely we are to elect a candidate that will have broard popular appeal of course.

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