UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[HMS Vanguard]

We need to keep them off the street. Many workers are negative value added.

Haha so the capitalists are actively lowering their profits in order to keep poor people off the streets? Out of the goodness of their hearts? I don't think so, it's either one of two reasons:

1) Its cheaper to use labour. See Foxconn in China.

2) We do not yet possess the technology required to produce the quality and quantity of products required by society.

Anyway, why not just use the poor as slaves?

They are not negative value added for the company but their income is substantially composed of benefits and transfer payments.

Adding more people does not increase living standards, because consumption requirements are increased as well as production capacity.

Adding more people of below average productivity reducing living standards if you insist on more or less equal incomes, since consumption increases faster than production.

[Wolfmanne2]

I will. I have that touch see. The graduates who complain are the ones who didn't do any networking, didn't get internships, didn't fully think through about their career choice (i.e. going for one which is in decline), did nothing for their degree etc.

do you actually think it's possible for a person to fail or get fucked that isn't ultimately their own fault

Just because you're down doesn't mean you're out.

[Chestaan]

Not as much as you'd think actually.

Well, my CV has gotten me jobs, job offers and work experience so not really and you can't really argue with straight As for AS Levels and lots of A*s/As for GCSEs.

First thing they told us in college was how irrelevant our secondary school education now was. We needed it to get into college, but after that, it wasn't so important.

[Vassenor]

More five-day doctor strikes announced

[Souseiseki]

Well, my CV has gotten me jobs, job offers and work experience so not really and you can't really argue with straight As for AS Levels and lots of A*s/As for GCSEs.

First thing they told us in college was how irrelevant our secondary school education now was. We needed it to get into college, but after that, it wasn't so important.

are you telling me he's not gonna take the world by storm with his GCSEs?

[Eastfield Lodge]

Newsflash! You just failed maths and politics!

Judge me how you want, what matters is the grades on my qualifications which are pretty swell and my CV, which is also pretty swell.

Unless you want to go into investment banking of course...

[Wolfmanne2]

Well, my CV has gotten me jobs, job offers and work experience so not really and you can't really argue with straight As for AS Levels and lots of A*s/As for GCSEs.

First thing they told us in college was how irrelevant our secondary school education now was. We needed it to get into college, but after that, it wasn't so important.

Well it depends. Law firms for instance will look at A Levels so they have an excuse to weed out the people who got firsts in Law at London Met or whatever ex-poly someone got their law degree from. Someone with a 2:2 from a Russell Group is fundamentally a better candidate.

[Vassenor]

Well, my CV has gotten me jobs, job offers and work experience so not really and you can't really argue with straight As for AS Levels and lots of A*s/As for GCSEs.

First thing they told us in college was how irrelevant our secondary school education now was. We needed it to get into college, but after that, it wasn't so important.

And when graduates with First class honours from top universities are finding it hard to find jobs, somehow I doubt a brace of As at AS level is going to help.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Haha so the capitalists are actively lowering their profits in order to keep poor people off the streets? Out of the goodness of their hearts? I don't think so, it's either one of two reasons:

1) Its cheaper to use labour. See Foxconn in China.

2) We do not yet possess the technology required to produce the quality and quantity of products required by society.

Anyway, why not just use the poor as slaves?

They are not negative value added for the company but their income is substantially composed of benefits and transfer payments.

Adding more people does not increase living standards, because consumption requirements are increased as well as production capacity.

Adding more people of below average productivity reducing living standards if you insist on more or less equal incomes, since consumption increases faster than production.

You still haven't answered the question. What's classed as poor? Unemployed? Minimum Wage? Benefits?

[Chestaan]

Haha so the capitalists are actively lowering their profits in order to keep poor people off the streets? Out of the goodness of their hearts? I don't think so, it's either one of two reasons:

1) Its cheaper to use labour. See Foxconn in China.

2) We do not yet possess the technology required to produce the quality and quantity of products required by society.

Anyway, why not just use the poor as slaves?

They are not negative value added for the company but their income is substantially composed of benefits and transfer payments.

Adding more people does not increase living standards, because consumption requirements are increased as well as production capacity.

Adding more people of below average productivity reducing living standards if you insist on more or less equal incomes, since consumption increases faster than production.

Going to need a source on the bolded.

No, because a business will not employ a worker unless their marginal product is greater than their marginal cost, i.e the value they add is greater than the value they consume. Those on very very low incomes may receive government assistance when working, but it doesn't last when you start to get into incomes that are anywhere close to average.

[Wolfmanne2]

Judge me how you want, what matters is the grades on my qualifications which are pretty swell and my CV, which is also pretty swell.

Unless you want to go into investment banking of course...

My Dad came from a working class background and got into investment banking. There is truth in that, but what he did was shrug his shoulders and apply that polish to get in. He dropped his cockney accent when he was getting interviews with the banks.

[Vassenor]

And honestly, who's more entitled? The poor person who accepts they need to put work in to get anywhere or the rich person who expects everything to be laid out in front of them like a red carpet?

[Marcurix]

Not as much as you'd think actually.

Well, my CV has gotten me jobs, job offers and work experience so not really and you can't really argue with straight As for AS Levels and lots of A*s/As for GCSEs.

And that's you, but it would be a mistake to assume it's the same situation for everyone. Speaking as someone who had similar marks in school, the best job I landed didn't even look at those qualifications.

As much as you might want to put it down to people simply not working hard enough its never so simple as that.

[Chestaan]

First thing they told us in college was how irrelevant our secondary school education now was. We needed it to get into college, but after that, it wasn't so important.

Well it depends. Law firms for instance will look at A Levels so they have an excuse to weed out the people who got firsts in Law at London Met or whatever ex-poly someone got their law degree from. Someone with a 2:2 from a Russell Group is fundamentally a better candidate.

So then if they are only using A levels as an excuse to get rid of a candidate then it doesn't really matter, does it? What really matters is the quality of the law degree.

[Angleter]

First thing they told us in college was how irrelevant our secondary school education now was. We needed it to get into college, but after that, it wasn't so important.

And when graduates with First class honours from top universities are finding it hard to find jobs, somehow I doubt a brace of As at AS level is going to help.

Getting into banking will be that tough. It's so competitive you basically have to have a CV on a par with a US Presidential candidate to get an interview.

[Wolfmanne2]

Well it depends. Law firms for instance will look at A Levels so they have an excuse to weed out the people who got firsts in Law at London Met or whatever ex-poly someone got their law degree from. Someone with a 2:2 from a Russell Group is fundamentally a better candidate.

So then if they are only using A levels as an excuse to get rid of a candidate then it doesn't really matter, does it? What really matters is the quality of the law degree.

But those grades matter to get you there in the first place.

[Dooom35796821595]

And when graduates with First class honours from top universities are finding it hard to find jobs, somehow I doubt a brace of As at AS level is going to help.

Getting into banking will be that tough. It's so competitive you basically have to have a CV on a par with a US Presidential candidate to get an interview.

Well, hopefully a bit better then the current presidential hopefuls. Or Bush.

[Wolfmanne2]

And when graduates with First class honours from top universities are finding it hard to find jobs, somehow I doubt a brace of As at AS level is going to help.

Getting into banking will be that tough. It's so competitive you basically have to have a CV on a par with a US Presidential candidate to get an interview.

It is is difficult. Like I'd have a tough time and my Dad works in the industry. For the most part even connections won't take you far enough.

[Chestaan]

So then if they are only using A levels as an excuse to get rid of a candidate then it doesn't really matter, does it? What really matters is the quality of the law degree.

But those grades matter to get you there in the first place.

Yes but they are not what sets a potential worker apart. They are what sets one college applicant apart from another. Other factors set potential workers apart from each other, such as experience, third level degree and institute as well as networking. Networking would be particularly hard if you come from a working class family.

[Wolfmanne2]

But those grades matter to get you there in the first place.

Yes but they are not what sets a potential worker apart. They are what sets one college applicant apart from another. Other factors set potential workers apart from each other, such as experience, third level degree and institute as well as networking. Networking would be particularly hard if you come from a working class family.

So that's what happened to Captain Obvious.

[Kryozerkia]

The poor should be humanely destroyed.

You've been previously warned against trolling. Given your refusal to cease, your nation is *** forum banned for 7 days ***.

[Wolfmanne2]

Sarcasm aside Chestaan... there isn't really anything there I don't already know. Of course qualifications are just one part of the overall profile.

[Chestaan]

Yes but they are not what sets a potential worker apart. They are what sets one college applicant apart from another. Other factors set potential workers apart from each other, such as experience, third level degree and institute as well as networking. Networking would be particularly hard if you come from a working class family.

So that's what happened to Captain Obvious.

You've just gone on and on about how you've set yourself apart from people and that because you found it easy then so should everyone else. I then pointed out that doing well in school has nothing to do with setting yourself apart in work, i.e you have not set yourself apart from others in the job market hence you have no idea how hard or easy it is.

And no, work experience or part time jobs are not the same as finding a long term stable job that will provide you with enough money to support your family.

[Wolfmanne2]

So that's what happened to Captain Obvious.

You've just gone on and on about how you've set yourself apart from people and that because you found it easy then so should everyone else. I then pointed out that doing well in school has nothing to do with setting yourself apart in work, i.e you have not set yourself apart from others in the job market hence you have no idea how hard or easy it is.

And no, work experience or part time jobs are not the same as finding a long term stable job that will provide you with enough money to support your family.

I was also talking in the context of the job offers I got, I got them so.

[Valaran]

We tried doing that before, it turns out it ends in a massive economic fuck up and leads to a decade of civil strife to sort out.

Somehow I don't think it was giving the unemployed jobs that lead to the civil strife. Seems like quite the unlikely causation there.