UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[Elepis]

your point being?

My point being that the flag represents everyone that died under said flag.

you can say the same about the Swastika, the flag of Imperial Germany, the IS flag, the IJA flag and the Roman standards

[FelrikTheDeleted]

My point being that the flag represents everyone that died under said flag.

you can say the same about the Swastika, the flag of Imperial Germany, the IS flag, the IJA flag and the Roman standards

All flags that shouldn't be disrespected, said countries should be disrespected.

[Minzerland II]

It represents them as a nation; when you damage it, you insult and hurt said nation.

you hurt an abstract concept?

Yes. Just like an economic crisis hurts a nation, instead you're sullying its honour.

[Great Nepal]

your point being?

My point being that the flag represents everyone that died under said flag.

Nope no more than fact that millions of men and women wearing underwear to war, and dying in said underwear makes underwear is somehow to be worshiped or representative of battle. They fought and died for the prevailing government at that time, and did so because said government was signing their pay cheques.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

My point being that the flag represents everyone that died under said flag.

Nope no more than fact that millions of men and women wearing underwear to war, and dying in said underwear makes underwear is somehow to be worshiped or representative of battle. They fought and died for the prevailing government at that time, and did so because said government was signing their pay cheques.

Still doesn't change the fact that those people died for said flag, to disrespect said flag in my opinion is to disrespect those who fought for it.

I'd also like to mention that the flag symbolises much more then underwear do.

[Minzerland II]

I don't see it.

encouraging national pride, but somehow encouraging free thought at the same time even though encouraging national pride means means discouraging free thought by treating the nation as inviobale

Do you understand what national pride is?

[Vassenor]

It's entirely possible to love your mum without thinking she's the best, the same is true for your country

There's a difference in America because your pretty much indoctrinated into thinking your country is

Hyperbolic for the sake of being hyperbolic?

Whichever Olympian who got harassed for not holding their hand in the right place during the national anthem says hi.

[Elepis]

you can say the same about the Swastika, the flag of Imperial Germany, the IS flag, the IJA flag and the Roman standards

All flags that shouldn't be disrespected, said countries should be disrespected.

why does it matter if the flags are disrespected are not?

you hurt an abstract concept?

Yes. Just like an economic crisis hurts a nation, instead you're sullying its honour.

Nations don't have honour, because nations are just governments and lines on a map

[Minzerland II]

Hyperbolic for the sake of being hyperbolic?

Whichever Olympian who got harassed for not holding their hand in the right place during the national anthem says hi.

What?

[Elepis]

encouraging national pride, but somehow encouraging free thought at the same time even though encouraging national pride means means discouraging free thought by treating the nation as inviobale

Do you understand what national pride is?

being prideful of your nations by any chance?

[Irona]

you hurt an abstract concept?

Yes. Just like an economic crisis hurts a nation, instead you're sullying its honour.

Ow, sorry I thought the Knight on your flag was just for bant, I didn't realise it represented your philosophy

[Lamadia III]

I don't see it.

encouraging national pride, but somehow encouraging free thought at the same time even though encouraging national pride means means discouraging free thought by treating the nation as inviobale

It means taking pride in the fact that we live in a country where you can criticise said country.
And quite frankly, I am finding your rhetoric quite shocking. You need to learn a bit of respect for our flag, I think, and certainly for the US flag- and those who have fought and died for it.

[Great Nepal]

Nope no more than fact that millions of men and women wearing underwear to war, and dying in said underwear makes underwear is somehow to be worshiped or representative of battle. They fought and died for the prevailing government at that time, and did so because said government was signing their pay cheques.

Still doesn't change the fact that those people died for said flag, to disrespect said flag in my opinion is to disrespect those who fought for it.

No one died for the flag; they died because the situation where they were sent by the government in return for payment, caused them to die.

[Minzerland II]

Yes. Just like an economic crisis hurts a nation, instead you're sullying its honour.

Nations don't have honour, because nations are just governments and lines on a map

Why don't they have honour? Your answer is less than adequate.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

All flags that shouldn't be disrespected, said countries should be disrespected.

why does it matter if the flags are disrespected are not?

Yes. Just like an economic crisis hurts a nation, instead you're sullying its honour.

Nations don't have honour, because nations are just governments and lines on a map

I see the disrespecting of a flag as a direct insult to the people who died under said flag.

[Minzerland II]

Do you understand what national pride is?

being prideful of your nations by any chance?

Exactly. That doesn't contradict freedom of anything really.

[Elepis]

encouraging national pride, but somehow encouraging free thought at the same time even though encouraging national pride means means discouraging free thought by treating the nation as inviobale

It means taking pride in the fact that we live in a country where you can criticise said country.
And quite frankly, I am finding your rhetoric quite shocking. You need to learn a bit of respect for our flag, I think, and certainly for the US flag- and those who have fought and died for it.

but by that very fact you are being discouraged from ctirisising the country because the country is being seen as inviolable.
Good, be shocked by it. I am shocked by your devotion to a piece of cloth and a lump of dirt. As I have said it strikes me as horrifyingly parochial

[Great Nepal]

encouraging national pride, but somehow encouraging free thought at the same time even though encouraging national pride means means discouraging free thought by treating the nation as inviobale

It means taking pride in the fact that we live in a country where you can criticise said country.
And quite frankly, I am finding your rhetoric quite shocking. You need to learn a bit of respect for our flag, I think, and certainly for the US flag- and those who have fought and died for it.

Yeah pass on priding in fact that government doesn't stamp down on basic freedoms, just as how I'm not proud of fact that a mugger didn't stab me on way to work.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

Still doesn't change the fact that those people died for said flag, to disrespect said flag in my opinion is to disrespect those who fought for it.

No one died for the flag; they died because the situation where they were sent by the government in return for payment, caused them to die.

And patriotism was one of the main drivers in joining the armed forces and fighting in wars.

[Elepis]

being prideful of your nations by any chance?

Exactly. That doesn't contradict freedom of anything really.

except the freedom to go against the nation because you are expected to love it

[Minzerland II]

Yes. Just like an economic crisis hurts a nation, instead you're sullying its honour.

Ow, sorry I thought the Knight on your flag was just for bant, I didn't realise it represented your philosophy

No. You were correct the first time.

[Elepis]

why does it matter if the flags are disrespected are not?



Nations don't have honour, because nations are just governments and lines on a map

I see the disrespecting of a flag as a direct insult to the people who died under said flag.

Okay?

[Elepis]

Nations don't have honour, because nations are just governments and lines on a map

Why don't they have honour? Your answer is less than adequate.

because they aren't things, they are just concepts drawn up in the 18th and 19th centuries

[Great Nepal]

No one died for the flag; they died because the situation where they were sent by the government in return for payment, caused them to die.

And patriotism was one of the main drivers in joining the armed forces and fighting in wars.

Source, because I'm pretty sure the money at end of the month has something to do with it - and even if that were the case, doesn't change the fact that no one died for the flag.

[Minzerland II]

Exactly. That doesn't contradict freedom of anything really.

except the freedom to go against the nation because you are expected to love it

No. Taking pride in ones nation doesn't prescribe what you've said, you can criticise a your nation whilst also being proud of it.