UK Politics IV: Disraeli Gears

[Ostroeuropa]

Many of the countries listed negatively are known for homophobia and anti-abortion sentiment.

Does not automatically mean we should judge everyone from that country due to the beliefs some people hold there. There are people in this country who feel the same. Should we cap immigration from North Carolina as well then?

Show me polls from North Carolina saying the majority of people there think homosexuality should be illegal and i'd consider it.

[Vassenor]

Does not automatically mean we should judge everyone from that country due to the beliefs some people hold there. There are people in this country who feel the same. Should we cap immigration from North Carolina as well then?

Show me polls from North Carolina saying the majority of people there think homosexuality should be illegal and i'd consider it.

HB2.

[Lamadia III]

Well, we'll get past the first point first, shall we?
I thought I somewhere that you were in your 50s or 60s? I am sure of it, because I recall making a note to myself that it was very weird for somebody at that age to be so active on an online forum. Am I wrong?

I would just like to point out my reply to your strange tree comment.

Because I have seen the stuff humanity has built and it amazes me, I have read the history of Rome, Greece, Persia, China wherever and it amazes me. Dogs have built nothing, neither have cats. I can have empathy for humans, not trees.

and maybe you missed my question, why do you have such loyalty and such regard for Britain and British people?

And I would like to reply to your strange, anti-British, sentiment, by saying that you show a disregard for a country which you live in. A country which you owe your freedom, your liberty, to. I could go on, but if your parents didn't bring you up proud of this country and what is has achieved, if you have neglected to have gratitude whilst demanding in your typical leftie attitude that everything be given to you, paid by the hardworkers & those who did not slack at school, then you have no basis for argument.
When you demand benefits, when you demand national healthcare, you neglect to respect the people who pay for it, and the country which gives it to you. I say, shame.

[Ostroeuropa]

Show me polls from North Carolina saying the majority of people there think homosexuality should be illegal and i'd consider it.

HB2.

Huh?

[Ifreann]

You think I'm in my 50s? Or are you trying to get me back for pointing out that you are not yet an adult?

So when you said "The fact that you have no pride in this country or its people disqualifies you from holding any political office.", what you were trying to convey was that you personally believe that not having pride in one's country makes one a traitor, that not having pride in one's country means that one has no regard for that country, that it would be wrong for Elepis, being a traitor in your view, to hold political office, and that they would not succeed if they stood for election, something they have every right to do.

And you seem to think I have made some hilarious error by not divining this meaning from your post.

Well, we'll get past the first point first, shall we?
I thought I somewhere that you were in your 50s or 60s? I am sure of it, because I recall making a note to myself that it was very weird for somebody at that age to be so active on an online forum. Am I wrong?

Quite wrong.

[Elepis]

Does not automatically mean we should judge everyone from that country due to the beliefs some people hold there. There are people in this country who feel the same. Should we cap immigration from North Carolina as well then?

Show me polls from North Carolina saying the majority of people there think homosexuality should be illegal and i'd consider it.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/gay-marriage-reaches-record-support-in-nc.html

This poll shows that 64% of North Carolinas over 45 are against gay marriage. Should we ban all North Carolinans over 45 from coming?

[Lamadia III]

Well, we'll get past the first point first, shall we?
I thought I somewhere that you were in your 50s or 60s? I am sure of it, because I recall making a note to myself that it was very weird for somebody at that age to be so active on an online forum. Am I wrong?

Quite wrong.

Oh, nevermind.
Although I suppose it would only be a university student who could hold your views!

[Ostroeuropa]

Show me polls from North Carolina saying the majority of people there think homosexuality should be illegal and i'd consider it.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/gay-marriage-reaches-record-support-in-nc.html

This poll shows that 64% of North Carolinas over 45 are against gay marriage. Should we ban all North Carolinans over 45 from coming?

Being against gay marriage is on a significantly different level to believing homosexuality should be illegal.
As is typical for multiculturalists, you are determined to pretend these cultures are equal.
They aren't.

Even the most backward example you could think up from a first world nation is still better, and you just refuse to notice it.

[Vassenor]

Hell, the Electoral Commission is perfectly fine with someone running for Parliament while acting like a stereotypical pirate. I'm pretty sure they leave the issue of someone's views in the hands of the voters.

[Vassenor]

Quite wrong.

Oh, nevermind.
Although I suppose it would only be a university student who could hold your views!

RACIAL PROFILING!

[Lamadia III]

Hell, the Electoral Commission is perfectly fine with someone running for Parliament while acting like a stereotypical pirate. I'm pretty sure they leave the issue of someone's views in the hands of the voters.

Nobody has suggested otherwise.
Not arguing with thin air, are we, Vassenor?

[Vassenor]

Hell, the Electoral Commission is perfectly fine with someone running for Parliament while acting like a stereotypical pirate. I'm pretty sure they leave the issue of someone's views in the hands of the voters.

Nobody has suggested otherwise.
Not arguing with thin air, are we, Vassenor?

You're the one who suggested insufficient national pride should be a bar to standing for office.

[Ostroeuropa]

Nobody has suggested otherwise.
Not arguing with thin air, are we, Vassenor?

You're the one who suggested insufficient national pride should be a bar to standing for office.

It hopefully will be now that nationalism is coming back into vogue, but only through ballots and campaigning.

[Elepis]

I would just like to point out my reply to your strange tree comment.

And I would like to reply to your strange, anti-British, sentiment, by saying that you show a disregard for a country which you live in. A country which you owe your freedom, your liberty, to. I could go on, but if your parents didn't bring you up proud of this country and what is has achieved, if you have neglected to have gratitude whilst demanding in your typical leftie attitude that everything be given to you, paid by the hardworkers & those who did not slack at school, then you have no basis for argument.
When you demand benefits, when you demand national healthcare, you neglect to respect the people who pay for it, and the country which gives it to you. I say, shame.

You still haven't noticed my question, maybe I should bolden it why do you feel an especially loyalty to Britain?

Why should I have pride in this country? Freedom and liberty were not invented in this country, so why should I have pride in it for that, maybe I should have more pride in ancient Athens or the Netherlands.
And when have I ever said everything should be given to me? find the quote where I say that, or anything like that. Also I demand those things because I am a human, not some outdated idea of Civis Romanum Sum.

also, I will remind you again as you seem to forget to answer why do you feel an especially loyalty to Britain? I am genuinely curious as you have an attitude so very different to my own and I would like to understand it

[Ifreann]

Quite wrong.

Oh, nevermind.
Although I suppose it would only be a university student who could hold your views!

Aren't guessing games fun?

[Lamadia III]

Nobody has suggested otherwise.
Not arguing with thin air, are we, Vassenor?

You're the one who suggested insufficient national pride should be a bar to standing for office.

Oh, it seems that you are arguing with thin air!
No, Vassenor, I didn't. Now, are we listening?
I said that voters would respond to this as it deserves, and that a moral barrier would exist in any compassionate or even sane person before running for high office in this country with no loyalty or respect for it or its people. I am fine with people being allowed to run regardless. I think, on the democracy front, my side holds more weight, don't you?

[Mad hatters in jeans]

I would just like to point out my reply to your strange tree comment.

And I would like to reply to your strange, anti-British, sentiment, by saying that you show a disregard for a country which you live in. A country which you owe your freedom, your liberty, to. I could go on, but if your parents didn't bring you up proud of this country and what is has achieved, if you have neglected to have gratitude whilst demanding in your typical leftie attitude that everything be given to you, paid by the hardworkers & those who did not slack at school, then you have no basis for argument.
When you demand benefits, when you demand national healthcare, you neglect to respect the people who pay for it, and the country which gives it to you. I say, shame.

Says the person who wants to cut benefits and national healthcare to the person who is against such an action.

[Elepis]

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/06/gay-marriage-reaches-record-support-in-nc.html

This poll shows that 64% of North Carolinas over 45 are against gay marriage. Should we ban all North Carolinans over 45 from coming?

Being against gay marriage is on a significantly different level to believing homosexuality should be illegal.
As is typical for multiculturalists, you are determined to pretend these cultures are equal.
They aren't.

Even the most backward example you could think up from a first world nation is still better, and you just refuse to notice it.

how are cultures not equal? How is Irish culture superior to Mexican or Russian culture?

and as I LGBTQ person, I think they are very similar really.

[Ostroeuropa]

Being against gay marriage is on a significantly different level to believing homosexuality should be illegal.
As is typical for multiculturalists, you are determined to pretend these cultures are equal.
They aren't.

Even the most backward example you could think up from a first world nation is still better, and you just refuse to notice it.

how are cultures not equal? How is Irish culture superior to Mexican or Russian culture?

and as I LGBTQ person, I think they are very similar really.

If you think all cultures are equal, you should have no objection to closing the borders then. It's just as valid as keeping them open. Your ideology is internally inconsistent.

[Lamadia III]

Oh, nevermind.
Although I suppose it would only be a university student who could hold your views!

Aren't guessing games fun?

Absolutely!
Although for some odd reason, I imagined a creepy old man saying that! 'must have been how I read it!

[Elepis]

And I would like to reply to your strange, anti-British, sentiment, by saying that you show a disregard for a country which you live in. A country which you owe your freedom, your liberty, to. I could go on, but if your parents didn't bring you up proud of this country and what is has achieved, if you have neglected to have gratitude whilst demanding in your typical leftie attitude that everything be given to you, paid by the hardworkers & those who did not slack at school, then you have no basis for argument.
When you demand benefits, when you demand national healthcare, you neglect to respect the people who pay for it, and the country which gives it to you. I say, shame.

You still haven't noticed my question, maybe I should bolden it why do you feel an especially loyalty to Britain?

Why should I have pride in this country? Freedom and liberty were not invented in this country, so why should I have pride in it for that, maybe I should have more pride in ancient Athens or the Netherlands.
And when have I ever said everything should be given to me? find the quote where I say that, or anything like that. Also I demand those things because I am a human, not some outdated idea of Civis Romanum Sum.

also, I will remind you again as you seem to forget to answer why do you feel an especially loyalty to Britain? I am genuinely curious as you have an attitude so very different to my own and I would like to understand it

why is this civilization and its lump of rock better than any other?

[Ostroeuropa]

You still haven't noticed my question, maybe I should bolden it why do you feel an especially loyalty to Britain?

Why should I have pride in this country? Freedom and liberty were not invented in this country, so why should I have pride in it for that, maybe I should have more pride in ancient Athens or the Netherlands.
And when have I ever said everything should be given to me? find the quote where I say that, or anything like that. Also I demand those things because I am a human, not some outdated idea of Civis Romanum Sum.

also, I will remind you again as you seem to forget to answer why do you feel an especially loyalty to Britain? I am genuinely curious as you have an attitude so very different to my own and I would like to understand it

why is this civilization and its lump of rock better than any other?

Because of our values, ethics, and priorities.

[Elepis]

how are cultures not equal? How is Irish culture superior to Mexican or Russian culture?

and as I LGBTQ person, I think they are very similar really.

If you think all cultures are equal, you should have no objection to closing the borders then. It's just as valid as keeping them open. Your ideology is internally inconsistent.

No it isn't, by closing the borders we would be saying "'British' culture is better and we don't want nay others 'polluting' it"

[Salandriagado]

Then why do you care about the opinions and worldviews it espouses?

Because The Sun reflects some-many of my own personal views; and, far more importantly to me, because it is the best-selling newspaper in the UK, and reflects the views of tens-of-millions of those living in this country.

About 2 million, in fact. A number which, you will note, is utterly dwarfed by the top online news sources.

[Elepis]

why is this civilization and its lump of rock better than any other?

Because of our values, ethics, and priorities.

and there are countries out there with values, ethics, and priorities are more in lone with my own, so should i feel more loyalty to them? I don't but should I?