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So who do we want leading the Labour Party?

Jeremy Corbyn
142
48%
Owen Smith
66
22%
Lord Helix
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Total votes : 297

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Postby Britanno 2 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:13 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:He's basically Corbyn but Welsh and pro-Trident so I'm kind of confused why the anti-Corbyn sentiment is on board with unifying behind him, but oh well.

Because he wouldn't lead Labour to electoral disaster. The problems with Corbyn have rarely related to his policies, but rather his leadership abilities and communication skills.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:26 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Owen Smith: I'd offer Corbyn Labour president job - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36842339

Smith seems to be saying all the right things. I'd back him. Damage it might have done in the short term, I wanted Corbyn to win a second leadership election to really drive home that there is a disaffected left that was ready and willing to mobilise and back a left candidate that would bring Labour back to its socialist roots.

Smith seems to offer that. If he's a man of his word, of course. As he said, Corbyn awakened this movement ready to mobilise and willing to become engaged in Labour. Smith still at least appeals to it, if not embraces it himself.

He's basically Corbyn but Welsh and pro-Trident so I'm kind of confused why the anti-Corbyn sentiment is on board with unifying behind him, but oh well.
I have to read up more on Smith, but from what ive seen of him he looks like a decent person, but for the moment i'd still lean towards wanting Corbyn to win.

Yes, I too would like a Tory government up to 2025


*edit* Owen Smith does actually look like a pretty decent choice.
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Postby Vashty » Wed Jul 20, 2016 11:53 am

The Matthew Islands wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:I have to read up more on Smith, but from what ive seen of him he looks like a decent person, but for the moment i'd still lean towards wanting Corbyn to win.

Yes, I too would like a Tory government up to 2025


*edit* Owen Smith does actually look like a pretty decent choice.

You don't know anyone who's a student, elderly, disabled, working class or Northern do you?
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:04 pm

Vashty wrote:
The Matthew Islands wrote:Yes, I too would like a Tory government up to 2025


*edit* Owen Smith does actually look like a pretty decent choice.

You don't know anyone who's a student, elderly, disabled, working class or Northern do you?

wew lad

tell me how any of those people would benefit from the increasingly likely possibility of continued tory rule as opposed to Labour actually fielding someone who could win a general election

*edit*

for top keks what are you studying at Uni?

*edit2* Because I guarantee I'm more working class than you

*edit3* implying of course that anyone of the traditional working class would even consider spending time on something like nsg


Actually, this sounds like a good idea, an NSG class top trumps.
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Postby Elepis » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:06 pm

Britanno 2 wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:He's basically Corbyn but Welsh and pro-Trident so I'm kind of confused why the anti-Corbyn sentiment is on board with unifying behind him, but oh well.

Because he wouldn't lead Labour to electoral disaster. The problems with Corbyn have rarely related to his policies, but rather his leadership abilities and communication skills.


But, haven't labour had more electroal success since they elected Corbyn?
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
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B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:10 pm

Elepis wrote:
Britanno 2 wrote:Because he wouldn't lead Labour to electoral disaster. The problems with Corbyn have rarely related to his policies, but rather his leadership abilities and communication skills.


But, haven't labour had more electroal success since they elected Corbyn?


Shhh... You need to stick to the narrative.
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Postby Britanno 2 » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:14 pm

Elepis wrote:But, haven't labour had more electroal success since they elected Corbyn?

NO...? They've won by-elections in safe seats, but had terrible local elections results in England and got decimated in Scotland.
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Postby Souseiseki » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:17 pm

Yes, I too would like a Tory government up to 2025


This is sarcasm. He does not actually want a Tory government.
You don't know anyone who's a student, elderly, disabled, working class or Northern do you?


This is him stating a Tory government would be bad for all these groups.


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Postby Elepis » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:18 pm

Britanno 2 wrote:
Elepis wrote:But, haven't labour had more electroal success since they elected Corbyn?

NO...? They've won by-elections in safe seats, but had terrible local elections results in England and got decimated in Scotland.


Scotland was before Corbyn, they lost some local seats but hardly "terrible" and won the London election, and as you say they have won bi-elections
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:19 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Yes, I too would like a Tory government up to 2025


This is sarcasm. He does not actually want a Tory government.
You don't know anyone who's a student, elderly, disabled, working class or Northern do you?


This is him stating a Tory government would be bad for all these groups.


another argument solved by souseiseki

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Postby The Matthew Islands » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:20 pm

Elepis wrote:
Britanno 2 wrote:NO...? They've won by-elections in safe seats, but had terrible local elections results in England and got decimated in Scotland.


Scotland was before Corbyn, they lost some local seats but hardly "terrible" and won the London election, and as you say they have won bi-elections

Corbyn didn't really have anything to do with the London election though did he? I thought he kind of stayed away from it.

Also, the fact that they lost some seats in the local elections is traditionally seen as a bad omen for the general election.
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Postby Elepis » Wed Jul 20, 2016 12:57 pm

The Matthew Islands wrote:
Elepis wrote:
Scotland was before Corbyn, they lost some local seats but hardly "terrible" and won the London election, and as you say they have won bi-elections

Corbyn didn't really have anything to do with the London election though did he? I thought he kind of stayed away from it.

Also, the fact that they lost some seats in the local elections is traditionally seen as a bad omen for the general election.


Still Labour Party though, and as Corbyn is leader of the party he already had a high profile in the election.

Wasn't it a net loss of 3 or something?
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A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
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Postby CoraSpia » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:12 pm

Vashty wrote:
The Matthew Islands wrote:Yes, I too would like a Tory government up to 2025


*edit* Owen Smith does actually look like a pretty decent choice.

You don't know anyone who's a student, elderly, disabled, working class or Northern do you?

Well, as a disabled Northern student, I prefer the tories to labour.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:14 pm

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Postby Elepis » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:23 pm

they're increasing tution fees again
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
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Postby Arkolon » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:26 pm

Elepis wrote:they're increasing tution fees again

To £9,250, and then, possibly, to £10,000 over the years. Sigh. Kinda shitty.
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Postby Irona » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:31 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Elepis wrote:they're increasing tution fees again

To £9,250, and then, possibly, to £10,000 over the years. Sigh. Kinda shitty.

Protest time

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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:46 pm

Read an interesting article on the Belfast Telegraph about a conservative MP who was talking about adopting the St. Patrick's cross flag as a unity flag for all groups in Northern Ireland, i'd support it like, would be interesting to see what others peoples opinions would be. I personally could not give a flying fuck about flags most of the time, but i think this would ease some tension as i see it used by people on both sides.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/could-the-cross-of-st-patrick-be-a-flag-of-unity-for-northern-ireland-34899715.html
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Jul 20, 2016 1:54 pm

My summary of today's news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36841066 Makes sense, don't really want kneejerk stuff tbh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36851524 Good to see people caring so much, I think the amount of people who signed up is a good thing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36845106 Quelle suprise. As a student who goes to uni in 2017, I'm pretty annoyed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36846314 Total bull that this can happen in the UK >.>

There's also that stuff about people who tied bacon to a mosque and the shooting in Spalding, but idk what to say about that other than it's dumb

EDIT: Also Arch or whoever, maybe put up a poll for the Labour leadership thing?
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Postby Vassenor » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:07 pm

Val Halla wrote:My summary of today's news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36841066 Makes sense, don't really want kneejerk stuff tbh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36851524 Good to see people caring so much, I think the amount of people who signed up is a good thing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36845106 Quelle suprise. As a student who goes to uni in 2017, I'm pretty annoyed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36846314 Total bull that this can happen in the UK >.>

There's also that stuff about people who tied bacon to a mosque and the shooting in Spalding, but idk what to say about that other than it's dumb

EDIT: Also Arch or whoever, maybe put up a poll for the Labour leadership thing?


When I come up with a comedy option.
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Postby Val Halla » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Val Halla wrote:My summary of today's news

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36841066 Makes sense, don't really want kneejerk stuff tbh

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36851524 Good to see people caring so much, I think the amount of people who signed up is a good thing

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36845106 Quelle suprise. As a student who goes to uni in 2017, I'm pretty annoyed

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-36846314 Total bull that this can happen in the UK >.>

There's also that stuff about people who tied bacon to a mosque and the shooting in Spalding, but idk what to say about that other than it's dumb

EDIT: Also Arch or whoever, maybe put up a poll for the Labour leadership thing?


When I come up with a comedy option.

I would suggest Blair but tbh that'd just be kinda depressing.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Wed Jul 20, 2016 2:10 pm

Tied Bacon to a mosque? :rofl:
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The Nihilistic view wrote:Tied Bacon to a mosque? :rofl:


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