Are Women Oppressed in the West?

[Felrik]

Ummm... could we not use that unsavory Apache helicopter meme? Please? It's usually seen as making fun of transgender people, and I would rather this thread didn't go that way.

But I identify as a Apache Helicopter.

Nah, Nah Fair enough I'll stop.

[Charmera]

Ummm... could we not use that unsavory Apache helicopter meme? Please? It's usually seen as making fun of transgender people, and I would rather this thread didn't go that way.

Really? I thought it was to make fun of Wolfkin and Godkin on tumblr.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Ummm... could we not use that unsavory Apache helicopter meme? Please? It's usually seen as making fun of transgender people, and I would rather this thread didn't go that way.

But I identify as a Apache Helicopter.

Nah, Nah Fair enough I'll stop.

Thanks, Patriarch. ;}

(I'm joking.)

[SaintB]

Legal equality is not always societal equality. With women making less money, more often being the victims of violence, and not always being taken seriously by people like medical professionals and attorneys there is still a way to go before women aren't being oppressed in some shape or form. Its a similar state of affairs to race in the west, legally everyone is treated equal but in practice they simply are not.

[The balkens]

Ummm... could we not use that unsavory Apache helicopter meme? Please? It's usually seen as making fun of transgender people, and I would rather this thread didn't go that way.

Really? I thought it was to make fun of Wolfkin and Godkin on tumblr.

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what?

[Felrik]

Legal equality is not always societal equality. With women making less money, more often being the victims of violence, and not always being taken seriously by people like medical professionals and attorneys there is still a way to go before women aren't being oppressed in some shape or form. Its a similar state of affairs to race in the west, legally everyone is treated equal but in practice they simply are not.

That could apply to men too.

[Costa Fierro]

Really? I thought it was to make fun of Wolfkin and Godkin on tumblr.

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what?

The helicopter gunship meme was created in response to the surprising amount of people on Tumblr who think they're animals/mythological creatures/God knows what else trapped inside the body of a human.

[Felrik]

Really? I thought it was to make fun of Wolfkin and Godkin on tumblr.

...

what?

Pls no not the otherkin.

If you have no idea what it's about then look it up, it's so bad.

[The balkens]

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what?

The helicopter gunship meme was created in response to the surprising amount of people on Tumblr who think they're animals/mythological creatures/God knows what else trapped inside the body of a human.

[NOISES]

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Really? I thought it was to make fun of Wolfkin and Godkin on tumblr.

...

what?

The meme makes fun of gender identification politics. Makes fun of transgender people, otherkin and other sexual identities. NS has also a policy against the use of this meme.

[The balkens]

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what?

The meme makes fun of gender identification politics. Makes fun of transgender people, otherkin and other sexual identities. NS has also a policy against the use of this meme.

Otherkin i could honestly care less about, they seem to undermine Transgender people as a whole.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The meme makes fun of gender identification politics. Makes fun of transgender people, otherkin and other sexual identities. NS has also a policy against the use of this meme.

Otherkin i could honestly care less about, they seem to undermine Transgender people as a whole.

Anyways, now you know why I said what I said. Lets get back to talking about whether women in the west are oppressed or not. Onegai shimasu? :}

[Charmera]

Legal equality is not always societal equality. With women making less money,

The wage gap doesn't mean women earn less money. It just means on average women's salaries are less. Salaries don't cover commission work, royalties or tips. And I may need to look at those wage gap statistics again to confirm whether its an average across all professions...

more often being the victims of violence,

Nope
http://www.aic.gov.au/dataTools/facts/v ... Crime.html

And not always being taken seriously by people like medical professionals and attorneys

More in an interview or buisness environment this plays a role, not in those two professions. At least from what I've read.

[Costa Fierro]

With women making less money

Kinda easily explained by the jobs women are commonly found in as well as working hours, level of education etc.

more often being the victims of violence

What kind? Women don't tend to be the predominant victims of things like assaults, beatings, murders, muggings etc. Domestic violence rates are virtually equal between men and women.

Sexual violence and rape are the only two aspects of violent crime where women suffer disproportionately more than men.

and not always being taken seriously by people like medical professionals and attorneys there is still a way to go before women aren't being oppressed in some shape or form.

Two things. One, the "not being taken seriously" doesn't exist and two, it's not "oppression". Women in the West are able to vote, hold public office, freely chose their sexual partners, have access to contraception, have access to abortion and a lot more besides. A woman in Saudi Arabia has only been able to legally vote since 2014 and still is not allowed to drive a car. A woman in Iran has more freedom, but she is still significantly more limited by moralistic laws, including how she dresses.

I'm not sure about you, but I would not think that false studies or false claims equate to "oppression", given that women have a hell of a lot more freedom than those living in the Middle East and even some East Asian countries.

Its a similar state of affairs to race in the west, legally everyone is treated equal but in practice they simply are not.

I guess if women were being institutionally forced into living in poverty and were given disproportionately tougher sentences for crimes than men are. Incidentally, with the latter, the opposite is true.

[Tahar Joblis]

Sexual violence and rape are the only two aspects of violent crime where women suffer disproportionately more than men.

If even that. Perhaps in some times and in some places.

Crime statistics may record more female victims, but surveys suggest that once you include men made to penetrate, the US civilian populations of men and women are surprisingly close to parity in victimization rates.

If you consider the incarcerated population, then even DoJ figures actually suggest that men are victimized more - just men that we're not supposed to care about.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Yes, as long as there is sexism/[gender roles that society wants you to follow] not all will be equal.

Article 23 is the one article that is clearly broken usually.


Equal rights legally (which does not exist in the usa) does not mean equal treatment, pay, or (hopefully) unwritten rules of society to be pressured into following.

It has been much, much, worse, but it can still get better.

[New Edom]

Or for example the unfair advantage they have in divorce or custody battles, or another example the "Men to Violent" stereotype.

One issue we, as women, do have in the west, is the constant attempts at removing our bodily sovereignty. Trying to strip us of reproductive rights. Of course, in most of the west, the law respects and protects those rights. In the Middle East and Asia, however, women have very little to no rights, depending on the country.

Compared to them, I don't think we're oppressed. Not to the degree they are.

Those issues however are controversial. it is noteworthy that there are more male authorities fighting for those issues on the part of women than there are female simply because there are more of them. It should be recognized by feminists rather than the acusations against most men.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Women are no oppressed in the west, they actually receive more benefits than their male counterparts. Fe(male) Privilege

lolololol

no

[Charmera]

Women are no oppressed in the west, they actually receive more benefits than their male counterparts. Fe(male) Privilege

lolololol

no

Are you gonna evidence your claim or just leave behind a "no".

[Korouse]

I wouldn't say oppressed is the right word, but there's certain unfair attitudes and experiences you may have to deal with as a woman that you'd most likely not have to deal with if you're a man.

[Korouse]

Sexual violence and rape are the only two aspects of violent crime where women suffer disproportionately more than men.

If even that. Perhaps in some times and in some places.

Crime statistics may record more female victims, but surveys suggest that once you include men made to penetrate, the US civilian populations of men and women are surprisingly close to parity in victimization rates.

If you consider the incarcerated population, then even DoJ figures actually suggest that men are victimized more - just men that we're not supposed to care about.

wtf does "men made to penetrate" imply? Feminine-looking men were made to be penetrated? Seems a bit creepy and demented.

[New Edom]

I wouldn't say oppressed is the right word, but there's certain unfair attitudes and experiences you may have to deal with as a woman that you'd most likely not have to deal with if you're a man.

There's no harm in saying that both men and women are so affectred, and there is no harm in saying that men and women are each capable of having an ill effectr on one another. And I will only support feminism when there is some serious discussion and policy within feminism about how feminists should treat men.

[Minzerland]

If even that. Perhaps in some times and in some places.

Crime statistics may record more female victims, but surveys suggest that once you include men made to penetrate, the US civilian populations of men and women are surprisingly close to parity in victimization rates.

If you consider the incarcerated population, then even DoJ figures actually suggest that men are victimized more - just men that we're not supposed to care about.

wtf does "men made to penetrate" imply? Feminine-looking men were made to be penetrated? Seems a bit creepy and demented.

They were forced to penetrate the rapist.

[Korouse]

I wouldn't say oppressed is the right word, but there's certain unfair attitudes and experiences you may have to deal with as a woman that you'd most likely not have to deal with if you're a man.

There's no harm in saying that both men and women are so affectred, and there is no harm in saying that men and women are each capable of having an ill effectr on one another. And I will only support feminism when there is some serious discussion and policy within feminism about how feminists should treat men.

Whatever floats your boat dude. But I can say for certain there has been legitimately nothing bad that's happened to me because I'm a man. For quite a lot of women I know, it's the opposite. I don't see how I couldn't come to terms with that and support their equal treatment and do something about it.

[Costa Fierro]

wtf does "men made to penetrate" imply? Feminine-looking men were made to be penetrated? Seems a bit creepy and demented.

"Made to penetrate" is basically a woman forcing a man's penis inside her vagina without the man's consent, hence the "made" part of the "made to penetrate". Quite often this involves drugging or some other method of ensuring that a man does not have full control over his body and therefore cannot resist. Other times, simple intimidation would work, given that a penis can become erect through fear.