Relationship and getting one thread

[Soldati Senza Confini]

All I said is that I can take a woman telling me to fuck off, unlike you who seems so bent on not failing at dates, or given up completely on the idea and you're just here trying to make other people view your point of view when literally everyone who is older than you has contradicted you, more than once, in this thread.

1. They're only contradicting me because none of them have actually experienced anything that contradicts their experiences or their points of view. It's not that they're right, it's that they live in individual bubbles of their own.

You have insulted us by saying every woman we have dated, including some married women with their husbands, are just leeches.

2. I haven't said that at all. I don't know where you keep getting this idea that I've called them, or even insinuated, that they are leeches.

If all that there is around you are women who look at you for your money, then the problem is not our dates.

3. No, the problem is that you're not wising up. You're stuck in your own little bubbles and anything that dares contravene your accepted wisdom must be wrong.

Saying that because you haven't experienced something, it therefore doesn't exist is like saying I haven't been raped, therefore rape doesn't exist. It does, even if I haven't experienced it, because you don't need to experience it to acknowledge that something exists.

You have decided to literally deny the possibility that something else exists outside of your bubble.

4. Because there isn't any credible evidence that has been provided that disproves anything I have said.

1&3 - Nobody has said women who look at men for money don't exist. We have literally said that not all women are gold diggers. Which is true. Not all women want you to spend money on them, and not all women care if you're ugly, fat, and stupid (not talking about you, personally, I mean in general, there's plenty of women who don't give a shit). There's around 4 billion women in this planet, so it is kind of mind blogging that you seem to think you know how 4 billion women on this planet think about dating.

2. You don't have to say it though. Every post you make you make it with the insinuation that all women care about is your bank account, and that no matter the person, they're just after us because we're hot, or because we have a cheque book with us.

4. There is credible evidence even within the data you have shown us about women liking men with money. You simply refuse to acknowledge it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm having to use a lot of restraint here to not make a lot of very unfavourably comparisons to you.

Why? I haven't said anything untoward to you.

And yet again, almost everyone older than you in this thread has dated women who didn't ask for money.

No one is going to just blatantly ask someone for money from the get go. That's ridiculous.

You don't accept anecdotes of dating,

Because I only have people's words to go on. You have to admit, that's not much is it?

I am simply not wanting for other people to feel like you're right.

Why are you against letting people make up their own minds?

Hell, his own data proves him wrong and yet he won't change his mind and instead decide to snip at shallow-watered comments.

It hasn't.

Well, your position is "all women want men who either have money, or are handsome", like someone else said, it takes but one anecdote to prove you wrong when you make such an absolutist statement.

And yes, it has.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm having to use a lot of restraint here to not make a lot of very unfavourably comparisons to you.

Why? I haven't said anything untoward to you.

Your views are frankly terrifying, and err on being disgusting.

[Costa Fierro]

Not all women want you to spend money on them, and not all women care if you're ugly, fat, and stupid (not talking about you, personally, I mean in general, there's plenty of women who don't give a shit).

Yeah, they kinda do. There's something about the ideal male physique where a bunch of women were surveyed on what their ideal body types were. A majority of women tolerated a bit of body fat but a majority also wanted their partners to get into shape.

But I'm sure I've misread something. After all, I'm apparently illiterate now.

Also, with regards to the "plenty of women who don't give a shit", standards in a lot of Western countries have increased dramatically over the last say, 30 years. There was a study which showed that millennials were having less sex than earlier generations and there was a bit of discussion on another forum (fuck it, it was the /r/askmen sub on Reddit and it's not a hive mind of misogyny as I get downvoted to hell for saying a lot of the same stuff as I am here) where people repeatedly brought up women being much more selective about who they dated thanks to apps like Tinder and dating websites. And because of this ability to be more selective, more and more women are choosing to stick to standards that reduce the amount of potential dates. What would have passed as average or acceptable 30 years ago would be considered below average today.

Now some of the much older members might have found success with women, but they were dating in a different time period where things were different and what was considered acceptable in terms of standards back then was different than what it would be now. I'm not saying that women would have settled for any man back then, but it was easier to find a permanent life partner then than it is now. Saying "well if I can find a date using x method" from someone who was doing it 30 years ago to someone looking for one now is like them saying it's easy to buy a house if you know how to budget right, irrespective of the massive difference in affordability.

There is credible evidence even within the data you have shown us about women liking men with money. You simply refuse to acknowledge it.

The data showed that a majority of women said it was important that their partner was physically attractive, had a stable job and earned lots of money. I can't see anything there that doesn't prove that a majority of women don't agree with this.

Well, your position is "all women want men who either have money, or are handsome", like someone else said, it takes but one anecdote to prove you wrong when you make such an absolutist statement.

It doesn't. Having someone's word to go on isn't evidence. It's just someone's word. I don't know whether or not it is a fabrication or it isn't, so I can't accept anything with that amount of uncertainty as being valid.

And yes, it has.

So point it out then.

[Costa Fierro]

Your views are frankly terrifying, and err on being disgusting.

May I ask why "terrifying"? I can understand why people might disagree but I can't understand why someone would be scared. Do you think I want to go out and kill the first woman I see?

[Freefall11111]

Being married sounds like hell to me. Spending 24 hours a day with some one. Listening to a woman complaining and in every small detail.
Maybe I watched to many sitcoms but if this is what it is like no marriage for me.

No marriage involves staying with someone 24 hours a day. Even if you're both unemployed and not studying, you will inevitably spend time apart.

[Imperializt Russia]

Your views are frankly terrifying, and err on being disgusting.

May I ask why "terrifying"? I can understand why people might disagree but I can't understand why someone would be scared. Do you think I want to go out and kill the first woman I see?

No.

But people who would, would probably agree.
Hence the parallels I didn't want to draw.

[Freefall11111]

Walk up to a woman and say "I have no money but would you go out with me anyway?" and see how far you get with that.

Already managed that myself a couple of times when I was younger, thanks.

[Freefall11111]

Your views are frankly terrifying, and err on being disgusting.

May I ask why "terrifying"? I can understand why people might disagree but I can't understand why someone would be scared. Do you think I want to go out and kill the first woman I see?

The type of things you're saying are very, very commonly said by those who end up abusing women.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Not all women want you to spend money on them, and not all women care if you're ugly, fat, and stupid (not talking about you, personally, I mean in general, there's plenty of women who don't give a shit).

Yeah, they kinda do. There's something about the ideal male physique where a bunch of women were surveyed on what their ideal body types were. A majority of women tolerated a bit of body fat but a majority also wanted their partners to get into shape.

But I'm sure I've misread something. After all, I'm apparently illiterate now.

Also, with regards to the "plenty of women who don't give a shit", standards in a lot of Western countries have increased dramatically over the last say, 30 years. There was a study which showed that millennials were having less sex than earlier generations and there was a bit of discussion on another forum (fuck it, it was the /r/askmen sub on Reddit and it's not a hive mind of misogyny as I get downvoted to hell for saying a lot of the same stuff as I am here) where people repeatedly brought up women being much more selective about who they dated thanks to apps like Tinder and dating websites. And because of this ability to be more selective, more and more women are choosing to stick to standards that reduce the amount of potential dates. What would have passed as average or acceptable 30 years ago would be considered below average today.

Now some of the much older members might have found success with women, but they were dating in a different time period where things were different and what was considered acceptable in terms of standards back then was different than what it would be now. I'm not saying that women would have settled for any man back then, but it was easier to find a permanent life partner then than it is now. Saying "well if I can find a date using x method" from someone who was doing it 30 years ago to someone looking for one now is like them saying it's easy to buy a house if you know how to budget right, irrespective of the massive difference in affordability.

There is credible evidence even within the data you have shown us about women liking men with money. You simply refuse to acknowledge it.

The data showed that a majority of women said it was important that their partner was physically attractive, had a stable job and earned lots of money. I can't see anything there that doesn't prove that a majority of women don't agree with this.

Well, your position is "all women want men who either have money, or are handsome", like someone else said, it takes but one anecdote to prove you wrong when you make such an absolutist statement.

It doesn't. Having someone's word to go on isn't evidence. It's just someone's word. I don't know whether or not it is a fabrication or it isn't, so I can't accept anything with that amount of uncertainty as being valid.

And yes, it has.

So point it out then.

First of all "getting in shape" has many distinct categories.

I am "in shape" for my height and weight. Now, if I date someone, would they want me to be less fat around the waist and have a six pack? Maybe, maybe not. Do I want to please that kind of people? No, absolutely not. I am happy with my body, why the fuck would I compromise what I feel comfortable doing for someone? They're not my wife, so fuck'em.

In regards of the male physique article, you will see a vast difference between what women like and what men like based on the article. While the majority of men polled wanted to look like Mr. Olympia, many women liked less muscular, and more toned guys. If it was as you claim, then men's percentages would strongly correlate to the ones women had. And even then, your own data shows there's at least 25% of women who don't care (if we think of the other two categories as "Other body type"), so there is at least 1 out of 4 women who don't care what you look like, as long as you look like something.

As for the "older members" bit. I'm 27 and still going out with women and dating. I am not some married guy telling you what to do. The married people who have spoken in this thread are right though, and let me tell you why: there's always been this perception that women are highly selective. You're not the first one who thinks so, and believe me, you're not gonna be the last. Times have not changed from when they were dating to how I date. You might think that with the times things change, and that it has some logical basis, but it's not grounded in fact. What they were doing 20-50 years ago to get a woman is the same thing I'm doing to get a woman. Times have not changed.

As for dating websites, it's not that women get more selective, but do you know how many profiles are on those sites which are not even active anymore? Contrary to the belief that they somehow are more selective, it's not that they are selective, is that they get sick and tired of people trolling them, or they get creeps in their inbox. It's sheer fatigue that drives women away from dating sites. I don't even use dating websites to have a date. Does that limit my dating pool? No, not necessarily. In fact it makes it more organic. In America, where there is more people connected online than in New Zealand, it is reported that only 5% of people polled have found a significant other online and around 88% say they have found their partner offline.

Also, while a majority of women care about finances, physique, and a job doesn't mean ALL do. It just means a majority. Meaning, you're going to be rejected a majority of the time, maybe, depending on what they think is "good physique" and "financial stability". Your very own data, which concludes as a majority of women, destroys your notion that ALL women want someone who is financially stable and with good looks, and it also destroys the notion that you can't get a date without money or good looks, because apparently there's a minority of women who don't give a shit about either one of those things. Simply by the fact that a majority does not equal all makes your notion that all women seek to be with someone with good physique and financial stability bunk.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Pay a prostitute/sister/mother if young enough to feign interest in you, this will convince her of your worth in the eyes of other females and thus give her a subconscious evolutionary incentive to mating with you.

[Freefall11111]

Pay a prostitute/sister/mother if young enough to feign interest in you, this will convince her of your worth in the eyes of other females and thus give her a subconscious evolutionary incentive to mating with you.

Come again?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Pay a prostitute/sister/mother if young enough to feign interest in you, this will convince her of your worth in the eyes of other females and thus give her a subconscious evolutionary incentive to mating with you.

Say what now?

Also, why the hell would I pay a prostitute just to feign interest?

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Pay a prostitute/sister/mother if young enough to feign interest in you, this will convince her of your worth in the eyes of other females and thus give her a subconscious evolutionary incentive to mating with you.

Come again?

There is no objective value-instinct in humans so the only thing the animal mind has to go with in estimating the genetic worth of mates is the amount of attention it already attracts. The ability to attract feminity is itself an attractive trait. Thus why its basically a futile cause for snivelling virgins to even bother trying, men who attract women are themselves attractive and thus gain more women and so on and so forth. On the other hand those who don't enter the market very quickly loose value until they're basically beyond saving. Furthermore having female attention boosts confidence which is another factor of attraction. The best they'll get is a used up individual using them in turn for monetary security or status in old-age. It would be better for them to renounce sexual activity all together and allow the spiritual torment of celibacy drive them to productive creative acts.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

Pay a prostitute/sister/mother if young enough to feign interest in you, this will convince her of your worth in the eyes of other females and thus give her a subconscious evolutionary incentive to mating with you.

Say what now?

Also, why the hell would I pay a prostitute just to feign interest?

Sister/mother might do it for free, it only really takes another female. The scenario was a frivolous one designed to show a serious thing.

The very topic of the thread presumes prostitution is not yet being considered by the actor in question.

[Freefall11111]

Come again?

There is no objective value-instinct in humans so the only thing the animal mind has to go with in estimating the genetic worth of mates is the amount of attention it already attracts. The ability to attract feminity is itself an attractive trait. Thus why its basically a futile cause for snivelling virgins to even bother trying, men who attract women are themselves attractive and thus gain more women and so on and so forth. On the other hand those who don't enter the market very quickly loose value until they're basically beyond saving. Furthermore having female attention boosts confidence which is another factor of attraction. The best they'll get is a used up individual using them in turn for monetary security or status in old-age. It would be better for them to renounce sexual activity all together and allow the spiritual torment of celibacy drive them to productive creative acts.

Oh, for a moment I thought you were serious and had any experience talking to women.

[Even Less of Mackonia]

There is no objective value-instinct in humans so the only thing the animal mind has to go with in estimating the genetic worth of mates is the amount of attention it already attracts. The ability to attract feminity is itself an attractive trait. Thus why its basically a futile cause for snivelling virgins to even bother trying, men who attract women are themselves attractive and thus gain more women and so on and so forth. On the other hand those who don't enter the market very quickly loose value until they're basically beyond saving. Furthermore having female attention boosts confidence which is another factor of attraction. The best they'll get is a used up individual using them in turn for monetary security or status in old-age. It would be better for them to renounce sexual activity all together and allow the spiritual torment of celibacy drive them to productive creative acts.

Oh, for a moment I thought you were serious and had any experience talking to women.

If it took you that long to figure it out, I would make the same judgement about you dearie.

[United Marxist Nations]

I will strongly consider it.

I have also entertained the idea of looking for a girlfriend when I possibly visit Poland next year, though, that would be unlikely.

do you have tinder? Travellers always use tinder in foreign countries. If you can't get a girlfriend you can at least hook up. Probably don't even have to speak polish, you know how it goes for us English speakers. The world tends to open itself to us.

As I am sure I have mentioned before, I strongly disapprove of casual sex.

[Eastern Theena]

Walk up to a woman and say "I have no money but would you go out with me anyway?" and see how far you get with that. Your providing for another person because there is no way in hell any self-respecting woman is going to pay for dates or for anything else in the relationship. You're the man, you provide.

Just wondering, do people normally walk over to people and start listing their faults? It sounds kind of pointless to walk over to someone and the first thing that you say it "I have no money". If people honestly have no money then why not try to do things with her that are free until you can start making money. Go for walks and aim for anything that's free really. Even doing the occasional odd jobs for people in the community should be able to give you spending money for dates. Especially if you work hard at what they ask you to do because they often pay you more than asked, or will call you to do something else.

Or say that you volunteer! Having something that you're doing sounds a lot better than nothing. I know some places will give you tips, or some customers pay you if you go above and beyond expectations. I don't know how women think, but I'm sure that someone that does something (work, school or otherwise) will sound more appealing even if broke. Have ambitions, have goals, and be at least somewhat interesting.

Even having a hobby is interesting. When I was in school, that was what most people talked about. If a person has an interesting hobby then it's easier for them to find other people with shared interests or at least make others somewhat interested in what they are doing.

[Germanic Scyths]

do you have tinder? Travellers always use tinder in foreign countries. If you can't get a girlfriend you can at least hook up. Probably don't even have to speak polish, you know how it goes for us English speakers. The world tends to open itself to us.

As I am sure I have mentioned before, I strongly disapprove of casual sex.

There are some websites, ofcourse, where you can "find" women.

Point is, if you want that. I personally believe that it is better to just go there and if you do end up meeting with someone it's cool to date, but then you got a short time because it is a holiday. And if you do not meet anyone, well, can't be bothered.

[USS Monitor]

Walk up to a woman and say "I have no money but would you go out with me anyway?" and see how far you get with that. Your providing for another person because there is no way in hell any self-respecting woman is going to pay for dates or for anything else in the relationship. You're the man, you provide.

Just wondering, do people normally walk over to people and start listing their faults? It sounds kind of pointless to walk over to someone and the first thing that you say it "I have no money". If people honestly have no money then why not try to do things with her that are free until you can start making money. Go for walks and aim for anything that's free really. Even doing the occasional odd jobs for people in the community should be able to give you spending money for dates. Especially if you work hard at what they ask you to do because they often pay you more than asked, or will call you to do something else.

Or say that you volunteer! Having something that you're doing sounds a lot better than nothing. I know some places will give you tips, or some customers pay you if you go above and beyond expectations. I don't know how women think, but I'm sure that someone that does something (work, school or otherwise) will sound more appealing even if broke. Have ambitions, have goals, and be at least somewhat interesting.

Even having a hobby is interesting. When I was in school, that was what most people talked about. If a person has an interesting hobby then it's easier for them to find other people with shared interests or at least make others somewhat interested in what they are doing.

I can't speak for all women, but for me personally, there is a real difference between being short on money, but making an effort to do something with your life, and being short on money because you just sit on your ass all day. If you literally have no job and there isn't any reason for it like being disabled or whatever, that would be an issue for me, but low income is not a deal breaker.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just wondering, do people normally walk over to people and start listing their faults? It sounds kind of pointless to walk over to someone and the first thing that you say it "I have no money". If people honestly have no money then why not try to do things with her that are free until you can start making money. Go for walks and aim for anything that's free really. Even doing the occasional odd jobs for people in the community should be able to give you spending money for dates. Especially if you work hard at what they ask you to do because they often pay you more than asked, or will call you to do something else.

Or say that you volunteer! Having something that you're doing sounds a lot better than nothing. I know some places will give you tips, or some customers pay you if you go above and beyond expectations. I don't know how women think, but I'm sure that someone that does something (work, school or otherwise) will sound more appealing even if broke. Have ambitions, have goals, and be at least somewhat interesting.

Even having a hobby is interesting. When I was in school, that was what most people talked about. If a person has an interesting hobby then it's easier for them to find other people with shared interests or at least make others somewhat interested in what they are doing.

I can't speak for all women, but for me personally, there is a real difference between being short on money, but making an effort to do something with your life, and being short on money because you just sit on your ass all day. If you literally have no job and there isn't any reason for it like being disabled or whatever, that would be an issue for me, but low income is not a deal breaker.

This has been my personal experience with women often, to be fair.

But wait, what about people who have literally no job and income? We need love too! o/

[Socialist Tera]

Honestly, if it were an option, I would get married pretty quickly. Soap operas say girls should be all over me, I love commitment!

I do as well. Stability is the most important thing in life. Trouble is that not even my mom thinks I'm charming, I'm clumsy and thinking that eating a reuben with a priest is the coolest thing in the world is not really endearing to your average person.

To be honest, I don't care much for commitment to be honest, I prefer open relationships and open marriages, probably why I am single tbh. Inb4 some reactionary screams cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck.

[Imperializt Russia]

I do as well. Stability is the most important thing in life. Trouble is that not even my mom thinks I'm charming, I'm clumsy and thinking that eating a reuben with a priest is the coolest thing in the world is not really endearing to your average person.

To be honest, I don't care much for commitment to be honest, I prefer open relationships and open marriages, probably why I am single tbh. Inb4 some reactionary screams cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck.

Don't worry, being a cuck doesn't even refer to cuckoldry anymore.

[Socialist Tera]

To be honest, I don't care much for commitment to be honest, I prefer open relationships and open marriages, probably why I am single tbh. Inb4 some reactionary screams cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck cuck.

Don't worry, being a cuck doesn't even refer to cuckoldry anymore.

Yeah, pretty much. It's become pathetic. I will attempt to explain my reasoning, I am pretty calm person who is pretty lenient with people in general except when it comes to debates, if I get into a relationship which is closed and my girlfriend at that moment cheated on me, it would be awkward because I can do the social accepted step and dump or forgive, that happens because that girl was not made for non-open relationships. I believed that some people just like sex and it is not my job to monitor somebody's sex life, all she would have to do is get the occasional STD checkup and it should be fine.