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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:44 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Yes, Black Lives Matter endorses the killing of police officers. OK.


Wasn't BLM in New York specifically Manhattan I think that was shouting kill all cops?

BLM isn't as much a movement as it is a rallying cry. BLM really doesn't 'do' anything, because her membership is so loose. Some people who shouted 'for the Union' during the American civil war were probably total dicks.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:46 am

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Shonburg wrote:The Dallas chapter of BLM does not endorse violence or retribution against police.

Neither do the K.K.K. Officially.


Okay then surely you can go ahead and make an international call from France and tell Chief Brown that BLM was behind this and that the snipers were BLM sympathizers since surely you have telepathic powers to figure out what the hell's going on here in Dallas. Clearly you're so much better than the police department at this. I don't understand why don't you bring your ass from France to the U.S. if you have such telepathic powers.

Or is it that you prefer to talk shit before things come to light?

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Anyways, any updates on the situation that DO NOT involve crazy conjecture?
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Postby Tyrinth » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:48 am


I mean... is anyone honestly surprised?

Stupidity is everywhere. In every movement -- in every group. There's always bound to be such things.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:49 am

Tyrinth wrote:

I mean... is anyone honestly surprised?

Stupidity is everywhere. In every movement -- in every group. There's always bound to be such things.

Unfortunately.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:50 am

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Uxupox wrote:
Wasn't BLM in New York specifically Manhattan I think that was shouting kill all cops?
the "official" twitter account for DC endorsed shooting of cops.


And this has relevance to Dallas, where the relations between the BLM chapter here and the police... how?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:55 am

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Aelex wrote:How else should I call an American Racial supremacist group who endorses the killing (of cops and not civilians I will concede) and actually just witnessed one during one of it's rallies?

Yes, Black Lives Matter endorses the killing of police officers. OK.


They dId in new york, now to be fair the guy who actually tried to kill a cop at the brooklyn bridge rally, was a white college professor. But they were all screaming. Fuck the police, kill a pig.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:55 am

Uxupox wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Yes, Black Lives Matter endorses the killing of police officers. OK.


Wasn't BLM in New York specifically Manhattan I think that was shouting kill all cops?


Yes.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 4:57 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Yes, Black Lives Matter endorses the killing of police officers. OK.


They dId in new york, now to be fair the guy who actually tried to kill a cop at the brooklyn bridge rally, was a white college professor. But they were all screaming. Fuck the police, kill a pig.


New York is not Dallas.

Also, during the protest everyone was peaceful and amicable to the cops. There was nothing that could have told you this would happen down here.
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Postby Minzerland » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:03 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Aelex wrote:Neither do the K.K.K. Officially.

Anyways, any updates on the situation that DO NOT involve crazy conjecture?


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Postby Hirota » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:03 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Hirota wrote:the "official" twitter account for DC endorsed shooting of cops.


And this has relevance to Dallas, where the relations between the BLM chapter here and the police... how?
When elements of an organisation can be demonstrated to be inciting hate, then thats relevant, especially when the target of the incitement suddenly gets attacked.

Of course, there isn't much in the way of evidence demonstrating that these shooters were acting upon incitement by elements of BLM, or evidence that they actually are influenced by BLM at all, so I agree it is hasty to make assumptions.

I understand that by all accounts the Dallas police force were generally considered to be fair and reasonable, so it's fairly unlikely they were targetted for something they specifically have done.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:04 am



It was going to happen. Honestly.

There's idiots who are celebrating this shit on Twitter. Thank God they're not a bleep in the radar here in Dallas.
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Postby Greater Beggnig » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:05 am

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Shonburg wrote:The Dallas chapter of BLM does not endorse violence or retribution against police.

Neither do the K.K.K. Officially.


What about Whataboutism, though?
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Postby Aelex » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:07 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Okay then surely you can go ahead and make an international call from France and tell Chief Brown that BLM was behind this and that the snipers were BLM sympathizers since surely you have telepathic powers to figure out what the hell's going on here in Dallas. Clearly you're so much better than the police department at this. I don't understand why don't you bring your ass from France to the U.S. if you have such telepathic powers.

Or is it that you prefer to talk shit before things come to light?

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Anyways, any updates on the situation that DO NOT involve crazy conjecture?

>BLM endorse killing cops (among many other joyeusetés of the kind).
>Cops were killed at a BLM rally.
>One of the snipers, at least, appear to be black from witnesses descriptions.
>"Assuming that it's BLM who did it is purely ludicrous!"

Sure mate, sure. :roll:
Anyway, don't take it bad but, while I am for waiting for further updates, I'm not hypocritical enough to don't voice my opinion that it's probably some members of racial supremacist group who previously asked for said crime to be commited that is indeed responsible for it.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:08 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
They dId in new york, now to be fair the guy who actually tried to kill a cop at the brooklyn bridge rally, was a white college professor. But they were all screaming. Fuck the police, kill a pig.


New York is not Dallas.

Also, during the protest everyone was peaceful and amicable to the cops. There was nothing that could have told you this would happen down here.


The organization points to joanne chesmerand as a spirtiual leader. Blm is a follow up to the black panthers and the weather underground. Black Lives do in fact matter. BLM is a terrorist group and should be treated as such.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:09 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Val Halla wrote:... BLM had been taking photos with cops. It's not confirmed who the attackers even were.

Not the point. It's the rhetoric I am bitching about.

I do believe blm is a terrorist group, but am not blaming them for the shooting. No evidence as to who did it has been released. I am blaming them for creating an environment that encourages violence, saying this was inevitable.

Yeah, I mean, before someone first wrote "#BlackLivesMatter" on Twitter, no one in the US would have ever considered taking up arms against a government they feel is tyrannical.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:10 am

Hirota wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
And this has relevance to Dallas, where the relations between the BLM chapter here and the police... how?
When elements of an organisation can be demonstrated to be inciting hate, then thats relevant, especially when the target of the incitement suddenly gets attacked.

Of course, there isn't much in the way of evidence demonstrating that these shooters were acting upon incitement by elements of BLM, or evidence that they actually are influenced by BLM at all, so I agree it is hasty to make assumptions.

I understand that by all accounts the Dallas police force were generally considered to be fair and reasonable, so it's fairly unlikely they were targetted for something they specifically have done.


Indeed.

I mean, I'm sure we'll find out their motives soon enough, what with at least some of them in custody and all.

I'm trying to not let the heat of the moment get to me, as much as this was local, and it is concerning and it has people at edge around here. Honestly, for what the police force here in Dallas is, and the lack of racial tensions between the police and minorities, or even between white people and minorities down here, it is shocking that this is going on.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:11 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Not the point. It's the rhetoric I am bitching about.

I do believe blm is a terrorist group, but am not blaming them for the shooting. No evidence as to who did it has been released. I am blaming them for creating an environment that encourages violence, saying this was inevitable.

Yeah, I mean, before someone first wrote "#BlackLivesMatter" on Twitter, no one in the US would have ever considered taking up arms against a government they feel is tyrannical.


That is fair, but has nothing to do with blm.
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Postby Aelex » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:11 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:New York is not Dallas.

Also, during the protest everyone was peaceful and amicable to the cops. There was nothing that could have told you this would happen down here.

>Blm
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:12 am

Aelex wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:Okay then surely you can go ahead and make an international call from France and tell Chief Brown that BLM was behind this and that the snipers were BLM sympathizers since surely you have telepathic powers to figure out what the hell's going on here in Dallas. Clearly you're so much better than the police department at this. I don't understand why don't you bring your ass from France to the U.S. if you have such telepathic powers.

Or is it that you prefer to talk shit before things come to light?

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Anyways, any updates on the situation that DO NOT involve crazy conjecture?

>BLM endorse killing cops (among many other joyeusetés of the kind).
>Cops were killed at a BLM rally.
>One of the snipers, at least, appear to be black from witnesses descriptions.
>"Assuming that it's BLM who did it is purely ludicrous!"

Sure mate, sure. :roll:
Anyway, don't take it bad but, while I am for waiting for further updates, I'm not hypocritical enough to don't voice my opinion that it's probably some members of racial supremacist group who previously asked for said crime to be commited that is indeed responsible for it.


And like I said, if you feel so strongly about this opinion being true, then you should probably be here in Dallas aiding the investigation instead of typing from the comfort of your house in France.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:13 am

Aelex wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:New York is not Dallas.

Also, during the protest everyone was peaceful and amicable to the cops. There was nothing that could have told you this would happen down here.

>Blm
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Were you here yesterday? Or is this the same telepathic powers everyone has been showing they suddenly grew capable of overnight?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:15 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
New York is not Dallas.

Also, during the protest everyone was peaceful and amicable to the cops. There was nothing that could have told you this would happen down here.


The organization points to joanne chesmerand as a spirtiual leader. Blm is a follow up to the black panthers and the weather underground. Black Lives do in fact matter. BLM is a terrorist group and should be treated as such.


Surely, all the people down there downtown, THOUSANDS of people, are now terrorists, according to you?

Because let's remember, you're talking about people here in Dallas, you're not talking about people in New York. What BLM does in New York, or fails to do, has no relevance to what BLM does or fails to do here in Dallas.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:15 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yeah, I mean, before someone first wrote "#BlackLivesMatter" on Twitter, no one in the US would have ever considered taking up arms against a government they feel is tyrannical.


That is fair, but has nothing to do with blm.

I'd argue BLM isn't anything to do with anything. It's not a proper organisation, it's not a proper movement. It's a rallying cry existing movements have taken on, and other movements have sprung up around, and are all roughly allied around.

It is obviously likely that people who would attack police over their treatment of ethnic minorities would also ally with the rallying cry of "black lives matter". They believe that society thinks black lives matter so little, they're willing to kill police officers or advocate such over it.
This does not make BLM a "terrorist movement" or somehow encourage such violence.
These violent people already existed, were already motivated (I'm pretty sure the Black Panthers haven't actually gone anywhere) and the existence of a rallying cry like "BLM" does not change them or motivate them further.
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