Two Police Shot in Dallas

[Corrian]

They're all trash. Seriously. American mainstream news is just... awful.

I hate them all, but Fox News is especially bad. I avoid mainstream news in america like the plague. There is so much wrong I have with it all.

[Shofercia]

This is scary. It's like cops vs blacks.

No indication that the shooters were even black.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-office ... 00452.html?

https://twitter.com/DallasPD/status/751262719584575488/photo/1

Does that guy look white? Most blacks are cool, most cops are cool, which is why it's extremely tragic that something like this could happen.

Edit: That man was not one of the shooters. He handed over his rifle peacefully to police and turned himself in to avoid being misidentified as a shooter.

Thanks for the update Shonburg.

If Trump gets elected it'll be whites v latinos in addition to that. If Clinton gets elected, someone even worse than Trump will come along, and it'll be open season on everyone.

Someone worse than Trump? Oh god.

You'd be surprised. Obama was better than Bush or Clinton, and yet, after 8 years of Obama, Trump's the Republican nominee. Imagine what will happen after 4 or 8 years of Clinton.

Bill Clinton almost started WWIII,

Wut

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-11753050

Singer James Blunt has told the BBC how he refused an order to attack Russian troops when he was a British soldier in Kosovo. Blunt said he was willing to risk a court martial by rejecting the order from a US General. But he was backed by British Gen Sir Mike Jackson, who said: "I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III." Blunt was ordered to seize an airfield, but the Russians had got there first. In an interview with BBC Radio 5 live, broadcast on Sunday, he said: "I was given the direct command to overpower the 200 or so Russians who were there. "I was the lead officer with my troop of men behind us... The soldiers directly behind me were from the Parachute Regiment, so they're obviously game for the fight. The direct command [that] came in from Gen Wesley Clark was to overpower them. Various words were used that seemed unusual to us. Words such as 'destroy' came down the radio."

The confusion surrounding the taking of Pristina airfield in 1999 has been written about in political memoirs, and was widely reported at the time. But this is the first time Blunt has given an account of his role in the incident. Blunt, who was at the head of a column of 30,000 Nato troops with his unit, told Pienaar's Politics it was a "mad situation". He said he had been "party to the conversation" between senior officers in which Gen Clark had ordered the attack. "We had 200 Russians lined up pointing their weapons at us aggressively, which was... and you know we'd been told to reach the airfield and take a hold of it. And if we had a foothold there then it would make life much easier for the Nato forces in Pristina. So there was a political reason to take hold of this. And the practical consequences of that political reason would be then aggression against the Russians."

Asked if following the order would have risked starting World War III, Blunt, who was a 25-year-old cavalry officer at the time, replied: "Absolutely. And that's why we were querying our instruction from an American general. "Fortunately, up on the radio came Gen Mike Jackson, whose exact words at the time were, 'I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III', and told us why don't we sugar off down the road, you know, encircle the airfield instead. "And after a couple of days the Russians there said: 'Hang on we have no food and no water. Can we share the airfield with you?'."

If Gen Jackson had not blocked the order from Gen Clark, who as Nato Supreme Commander Europe was his superior officer, Blunt said he would still have declined to follow it, even at the risk of a court martial. He said: "There are things that you do along the way that you know are right, and those that you absolutely feel are wrong, that I think it's morally important to stand up against, and that sense of moral judgement is drilled into us as soldiers in the British army." Blunt left the Army in 2002 to pursue a career in music, later scoring a worldwide hit with You're Beautiful.

We need to start addressing systemic problems in the US, now. Before it's too late.

Honestly, I'm starting to agree with this. Things seem to be getting really unstable in the US right now.

And the choice is either a racist, or the establishment, whose policies will promote more racism, while writing tweets about "white privilege" but failing to change the system. I wonder, if the Baton Rouge Police Department had the resources that Irvine's Police Department has, would they have been that reckless? Somehow, I doubt it.

[Shonburg]

No indication that the shooters were even black.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-office ... 00452.html?

https://twitter.com/DallasPD/status/751 ... 88/photo/1

Does that guy look white? Most blacks are cool, most cops are cool, which is why it's extremely tragic that something like this could happen.

Someone worse than Trump? Oh god.

You'd be surprised. Obama was better than Bush or Clinton, and yet, after 8 years of Obama, Trump's the Republican nominee. Imagine what will happen after 4 or 8 years of Clinton.

Wut

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-11753050

Singer James Blunt has told the BBC how he refused an order to attack Russian troops when he was a British soldier in Kosovo. Blunt said he was willing to risk a court martial by rejecting the order from a US General. But he was backed by British Gen Sir Mike Jackson, who said: "I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III." Blunt was ordered to seize an airfield, but the Russians had got there first. In an interview with BBC Radio 5 live, broadcast on Sunday, he said: "I was given the direct command to overpower the 200 or so Russians who were there. "I was the lead officer with my troop of men behind us... The soldiers directly behind me were from the Parachute Regiment, so they're obviously game for the fight. The direct command [that] came in from Gen Wesley Clark was to overpower them. Various words were used that seemed unusual to us. Words such as 'destroy' came down the radio."

The confusion surrounding the taking of Pristina airfield in 1999 has been written about in political memoirs, and was widely reported at the time. But this is the first time Blunt has given an account of his role in the incident. Blunt, who was at the head of a column of 30,000 Nato troops with his unit, told Pienaar's Politics it was a "mad situation". He said he had been "party to the conversation" between senior officers in which Gen Clark had ordered the attack. "We had 200 Russians lined up pointing their weapons at us aggressively, which was... and you know we'd been told to reach the airfield and take a hold of it. And if we had a foothold there then it would make life much easier for the Nato forces in Pristina. So there was a political reason to take hold of this. And the practical consequences of that political reason would be then aggression against the Russians."

Asked if following the order would have risked starting World War III, Blunt, who was a 25-year-old cavalry officer at the time, replied: "Absolutely. And that's why we were querying our instruction from an American general. "Fortunately, up on the radio came Gen Mike Jackson, whose exact words at the time were, 'I'm not going to have my soldiers be responsible for starting World War III', and told us why don't we sugar off down the road, you know, encircle the airfield instead. "And after a couple of days the Russians there said: 'Hang on we have no food and no water. Can we share the airfield with you?'."

If Gen Jackson had not blocked the order from Gen Clark, who as Nato Supreme Commander Europe was his superior officer, Blunt said he would still have declined to follow it, even at the risk of a court martial. He said: "There are things that you do along the way that you know are right, and those that you absolutely feel are wrong, that I think it's morally important to stand up against, and that sense of moral judgement is drilled into us as soldiers in the British army." Blunt left the Army in 2002 to pursue a career in music, later scoring a worldwide hit with You're Beautiful.

Honestly, I'm starting to agree with this. Things seem to be getting really unstable in the US right now.

And the choice is either a racist, or the establishment, whose policies will promote more racism, while writing tweets about "white privilege" but failing to change the system. I wonder, if the Baton Rouge Police Department had the resources that Irvine's Police Department has, would they have been that reckless? Somehow, I doubt it.

That man was not one of the shooters. He handed over his rifle peacefully to police and turned himself in to avoid being misidentified as a shooter.

[Shonburg]

UPDATE: Obama about to speak in Warsaw.
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

[Liriena]

We better be including Fox News in here, but I noticed you excluded them.

I don't watch Fox news, really. But yes, they are biased. No wonder our country is falling apart.

I watch/read BBC personally.

Bias in itself is not a problem. The combination of bias with the 24-hour news cycle, however, does lend itself to bad uses.

With that said, the media is not really to blame for the more recent black activism against police brutality. The media did not create the problem out of thin air, as demonstrated by reports on some of the areas where the most notorious cases took place. Tensions between black communities and law enforcement had already been brewing long before Trayvon Martin's death.

[Shofercia]

Agreed.

If that is the case, they're pretty fucking dumb.

Do you think these acts help the black community?

Hell no. Not anymore than 9/11 helped Muslim Americans.

Do you think that those who are murdering cops are thinking rationally? Yes, they don't represent the communities that they're from, and yes, they're acting pretty fucking dumb, and yes, it's about as helpful for blacks as 9/11 was for Muslim Americans. You're right on all of those counts.

But they're not thinking rationally, and that's if they're thinking at all. There's so much built up anger, that it is slowly, yet surely, defeating the rational mind. And that's what is so scary.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/three-office ... 00452.html?

https://twitter.com/DallasPD/status/751 ... 88/photo/1

Does that guy look white? Most blacks are cool, most cops are cool, which is why it's extremely tragic that something like this could happen.




You'd be surprised. Obama was better than Bush or Clinton, and yet, after 8 years of Obama, Trump's the Republican nominee. Imagine what will happen after 4 or 8 years of Clinton.




http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-11753050





And the choice is either a racist, or the establishment, whose policies will promote more racism, while writing tweets about "white privilege" but failing to change the system. I wonder, if the Baton Rouge Police Department had the resources that Irvine's Police Department has, would they have been that reckless? Somehow, I doubt it.

That man was not one of the shooters. He handed over his rifle peacefully to police and turned himself in to avoid being misidentified as a shooter.

Thank you for the update! I wish the damn news would update it too.

Edited the previous post to reflect the change.

[Tyrinth]

I don't watch Fox news, really. But yes, they are biased. No wonder our country is falling apart.

I watch/read BBC personally.

Bias in itself is not a problem. The combination of bias with the 24-hour news cycle, however, does lend itself to bad uses.

With that said, the media is not really to blame for the more recent black activism against police brutality. The media did not create the problem out of thin air, as demonstrated by reports on some of the areas where the most notorious cases took place. Tensions between black communities and law enforcement had already been brewing long before Trayvon Martin's death.

They don't exactly help matters either, though. The baseless conjecture they pass off as fact in the face of hot issues is constantly causing problems and needlessly inflaming opinions.

[Puma yagouaroundi]

So they were shot by snipers? For some reason, I seriously doubt these were BLM protestors. In fact, I find it impossible.

BLM people are quite well financed. many of thier leaders and members are affluent graduates/students of ivy league universities and live in some of the best homes and areas in the country. Wouldn't be suprised if they/thier parents had the money to hire elite snipers and get weaponry that's beyond the average joe's wallet. These people are loaded.

[Shonburg]

So they were shot by snipers? For some reason, I seriously doubt these were BLM protestors. In fact, I find it impossible.

BLM people are quite well financed. many of thier leaders and members are affluent graduates/students of ivy league universities and live in some of the best homes and areas in the country. Wouldn't be suprised if they had the money to hire elite snipers and get weaponry that's beyond the average joe's wallet. These people are loaded.

Hahaha. Yeah, no. The majority of BLM supporters would not be okay with that and would report it.

[Shofercia]

Bias in itself is not a problem. The combination of bias with the 24-hour news cycle, however, does lend itself to bad uses.

With that said, the media is not really to blame for the more recent black activism against police brutality. The media did not create the problem out of thin air, as demonstrated by reports on some of the areas where the most notorious cases took place. Tensions between black communities and law enforcement had already been brewing long before Trayvon Martin's death.

They don't exactly help matters either, though. The baseless conjecture they pass off as fact in the face of hot issues is constantly causing problems and needlessly inflaming opinions.

Not to mention the systemic flaws. Most police departments are funded by the cities. So if you live in a rich city, your police department has the resources it doesn't even need. If you live in a poor city, your police department lacks the resources it needs. Add the spread of individual instances on social media into a pattern, add polarization, add the media blame game, and the system is geared towards more and more violence. "If it bleeds, it leads" - mantra of the US Corporate Media.

[New Johar]

What a psycho. While the people were peacefully protesting, some jackass comes out with a pistol
"YOU SEE IVAN, WHEN KEEL COP LIKE ME, YOU WILL HIDE YOURSELF WITH PEESTOL IN THE CROUDS!" said the man.

[Risottia]

So they were shot by snipers? For some reason, I seriously doubt these were BLM protestors. In fact, I find it impossible.

BLM protesters in the streets? Yup.
Some extremists who have been geared up by extremist rhetoric, or who want to exploit protests to create a strategy of tension, including eventual false flag attacks? I wouldn't rule that out.

[The Huskar Social Union]

This is fucking madness.

[Shonburg]

UPDATE: Obama speaking now
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

[Imperializt Russia]

UPDATE: Obama speaking now
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

I hate to be "that guy", but "deadliest attack on US law enforcement since 9/11"?
Deadliest incident for US law enforcement since 9/11 would be more technically correct, since 9/11 wasn't an "attack on law enforcement", unlike this was.

[Shonburg]

UPDATE: Obama speaking now
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

I hate to be "that guy", but "deadliest attack on US law enforcement since 9/11"?
Deadliest incident for US law enforcement since 9/11 would be more technically correct, since 9/11 wasn't an "attack on law enforcement", unlike this was.

He looked very exhausted tbh. Might have been a simple slip of the tongue.

[Sane Outcasts]

I hate to be "that guy", but "deadliest attack on US law enforcement since 9/11"?
Deadliest incident for US law enforcement since 9/11 would be more technically correct, since 9/11 wasn't an "attack on law enforcement", unlike this was.

He looked very exhausted tbh. Might have been a simple slip of the tongue.

News services have been running that phrase as well, he may have just picked it up watching news of the attack.

[Imperializt Russia]

I hate to be "that guy", but "deadliest attack on US law enforcement since 9/11"?
Deadliest incident for US law enforcement since 9/11 would be more technically correct, since 9/11 wasn't an "attack on law enforcement", unlike this was.

He looked very exhausted tbh. Might have been a simple slip of the tongue.

I was referring to the sub-headline of the web page.

I got an automated voice telling me "content unavailable" for the video.

[Shonburg]

He looked very exhausted tbh. Might have been a simple slip of the tongue.

I was referring to the sub-headline of the web page.

I got an automated voice telling me "content unavailable" for the video.

Huh. Audio was a bit spotty for me, so maybe he did or didn't say that.

[Alvecia]

I hope this isn't the start of a new type of list.

[Imperializt Russia]

I was referring to the sub-headline of the web page.

I got an automated voice telling me "content unavailable" for the video.

Huh. Audio was a bit spotty for me, so maybe he did or didn't say that.

NBC compiled a handy list, which also considered 9/11 an "attack on law enforcement".
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dallas ... 00-n605716

So in my mind of petty quibbles, this should be the deadliest attack on US law enforcement since the Oklahoma bombing, which is arguably more important since that makes it the "deadliest attack in 21 years".
This is either continued victimisation over 9/11 that America still hasn't gotten over, or media organisations are trying, possibly unconsciously, to link black extremists to the extremist ideologies responsible for 9/11.

[Shonburg]

Huh. Audio was a bit spotty for me, so maybe he did or didn't say that.

NBC compiled a handy list, which also considered 9/11 an "attack on law enforcement".
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/dallas ... 00-n605716

So in my mind of petty quibbles, this should be the deadliest attack on US law enforcement since the Oklahoma bombing, which is arguably more important since that makes it the "deadliest attack in 21 years".
This is either continued victimisation over 9/11 that America still hasn't gotten over, or media organisations are trying, possibly unconsciously, to link black extremists to the extremist ideologies responsible for 9/11.

*Sigh* My country does have almost a fetish for 9/11.

[United Kingdom of Kent]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-36743033

BBC live updates have the death count up to five police officers, they're also saying reports are that one of the shooters have been killed and the now three people in custody are refusing to cooperate (not sure how they got information that detailed).

Likewise they have what appears to be amateur footage of a gunman in Dallas, he appeares to be black but it's a bit hazy to really see. However the way he moves and shots he defiantly to my mind doesn't appear to be particularly professional so I don't think he's ex army or police.

[New Johar]

UPDATE: Obama speaking now
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

Oh nice! Lets hear him LIE like he did to every other Afro-American!

[Alvecia]

UPDATE: Obama speaking now
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

Oh nice! Lets hear him LIE like he did to every other Afro-American!

Care to elaborate?