Two Police Shot in Dallas

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Who knows, maybe it's a bunch of sovereign citizens. They've been known to attack cops before.

In this context, no. Just no.

Are you the kind of person who says whenever a suicide bombing happens, "Hey maybe it was the Amish?"

And surely you know their motives better than anyone else since you can telepathically read the sniper's thoughts.

[Minzerland]

Lol. The comments.

I doubt it's authenticity/veracity. The news would've picked up on it by now.

I was expressing my amusement on the comments, not the authenticity.

[American Imperial State]

Problematic wording is problematic.

I can see how calling them apes might but objectionable, but thugs? Really?

They're hypersensitive because they assume the mass shooters must be black. So if you call them uncivilized, criminals, thugs etc you are being racist.

[Yorkers]

In this context, no. Just no.

Are you the kind of person who says whenever a suicide bombing happens, "Hey maybe it was the Amish?"

Except the Amish don't use advanced tech. SCs have in the past killed police, so there is precedent, bad comparision.

SCs don't have a specific bone to pick with police over racial issues, and thus the likelihood of them attacking police at a BLM rally is low. Also the country has not been dealing with SC agitation like it has been with BLM agitation these past few years.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Bit too early to be speculating.

But if you are a telepathic mindreader and you can already determine this was BLM-created terrorism by the chapter in Dallas you can go ahead and call the Dallas Police Department instead of wasting your time here playing amateur investigator.

What would calling the police do? BLM is a highly decentralized movement. But that doesn't change that it's ideas are most likely responsible for this and that the terrorists are supporters of this movement. I'll stand corrected if this proves otherwise, but I wouldn't count on it.

Again, if you are so sure, go ahead and call them and tell them this was, in fact, a plot created by the BLM chapter in Dallas. Since you are asserting something not even the cops know with your telepathic powers.

[Tyrinth]

I can see how calling them apes might but objectionable, but thugs? Really?

I've noticed the word being used a bit too emphatically over the past couple of years to refer to black men.

I have no idea what the poster's intent is, but perhaps being too sensitive about the word is counterproductive?

I don't know about you, but I think that the words uncivilized and thug are more than applicable to the kind of awful person who would do this kind of thing -- completely regardless of race (which we don't know yet anyway). Though personally I wouldn't use "ape."

[Eol Sha]

Except the Amish don't use advanced tech. SCs have in the past killed police, so there is precedent, bad comparision.

SCs don't have a specific bone to pick with police over racial issues, and thus the likelihood of them attacking police at a BLM rally is low. Also the country has not been dealing with SC agitation like it has been with BLM agitation these past few years.

That's why I said the extremists among them have assassinated cops in a later post.

[Liriena]

Bit too early to be speculating.

But if you are a telepathic mindreader and you can already determine this was BLM-created terrorism by the chapter in Dallas you can go ahead and call the Dallas Police Department instead of wasting your time here playing amateur investigator.

What would calling the police do? BLM is a highly decentralized movement. But that doesn't change that it's ideas are most likely responsible for this and that the terrorists are supporters of this movement. I'll stand corrected if this proves otherwise, but I wouldn't count on it.

And I'm pretty sure that, if I look hard enough, I'll find at least one instance of people who shared your ideas killing someone in the name of those ideas, but I don't go around calling you and everyone who agrees with you a "terrorist".

[Corrian]

I can see how calling them apes might but objectionable, but thugs? Really?

They're hypersensitive because they assume the mass shooters must be black. So if you call them uncivilized, criminals, thugs etc you are being racist.

More like your comments make it seem like YOU immediately assume they're black.

[Shonburg]

Except the Amish don't use advanced tech. SCs have in the past killed police, so there is precedent, bad comparision.

SCs don't have a specific bone to pick with police over racial issues, and thus the likelihood of them attacking police at a BLM rally is low. Also the country has not been dealing with SC agitation like it has been with BLM agitation these past few years.

But it has a bone to pick with government. And what a better time to cause strife and hurt the government by shooting cops at a BLM rally?

[Liriena]

I can see how calling them apes might but objectionable, but thugs? Really?

They're hypersensitive because they assume the mass shooters must be black. So if you call them uncivilized, criminals, thugs etc you are being racist.

You can read minds? Cool. Now actually read mine for a change, instead of that poor straw effigy's.

[Shonburg]

UPDATE: The police motorcade for the fallen is starting.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

[-The Holy Roman Empire-]

What would calling the police do? BLM is a highly decentralized movement. But that doesn't change that it's ideas are most likely responsible for this and that the terrorists are supporters of this movement. I'll stand corrected if this proves otherwise, but I wouldn't count on it.

Again, if you are so sure, go ahead and call them and tell them this was, in fact, a plot created by the BLM chapter in Dallas. Since you are asserting something not even the cops know with your telepathic powers.

To be fair, you're being pretty bullshit here.
He's not saying that BLM orchestrated or helped organize the shooting, rather that some of their ideas likely held a hand in the motivation of the shooters.

[Imperializt Russia]

Except the Amish don't use advanced tech. SCs have in the past killed police, so there is precedent, bad comparision.

SCs don't have a specific bone to pick with police over racial issues, and thus the likelihood of them attacking police at a BLM rally is low. Also the country has not been dealing with SC agitation like it has been with BLM agitation these past few years.

Is there a hole in your head that the five letters B-U-N-D-Y simply pass through when arranged as a singular word?

[Liriena]

I've noticed the word being used a bit too emphatically over the past couple of years to refer to black men.

I have no idea what the poster's intent is, but perhaps being too sensitive about the word is counterproductive?

I don't know about you, but I think that the words uncivilized and thug are more than applicable to the kind of awful person who would do this kind of thing -- completely regardless of race (which we don't know yet anyway). Though personally I wouldn't use "ape."

That's the thing, though. On their own, "uncivilized" and "thug" aren't red flags... but within the context of our fellow user's post, and combined with "ape"? Huge red flag.

[Corrian]

UPDATE: The police motorcade for the fallen is starting.

https://forum.nationstates.net/posting. ... 0&t=383212

I think your link is wrong.

[Shonburg]

UPDATE: The police motorcade for the fallen is starting.

posting.php?mode=reply&f=20&t=383212

I think your link is wrong.

Danke. Fix'd

[American Imperial State]

They're hypersensitive because they assume the mass shooters must be black. So if you call them uncivilized, criminals, thugs etc you are being racist.

More like your comments make it seem like YOU immediately assume they're black.

I actually stated a couple dozen posts ago that it would be a mistake to assume they are black and suggested it could even be a bunch of crazy white supremacists or terrorists. I even said it would be wrong to connect it to the BLM movement. The protestors were protesting peacefully when these savage thugs opened fire on the police and even struck a mother who was covering and defending her 15 year old son.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Again, if you are so sure, go ahead and call them and tell them this was, in fact, a plot created by the BLM chapter in Dallas. Since you are asserting something not even the cops know with your telepathic powers.

To be fair, you're being pretty bullshit here.
He's not saying that BLM orchestrated or helped organize the shooting, rather that some of their ideas likely held a hand in the motivation of the shooters.

And since he already knows so much about this men's motivations, surely he can assist Dallas Police with the investigation. After all he is such an effective mind reader that he already knows what made these men attack the cops.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

In this context, no. Just no.

Are you the kind of person who says whenever a suicide bombing happens, "Hey maybe it was the Amish?"

Except the Amish don't use advanced tech. SCs have in the past killed police, so there is precedent, bad comparision.

Assuming for the sake of argument that the shooters are white and doing this for political/racial ends, it's more something out of the Supremacist/Separatist playbook than the SC one, though I know there's a bit of crossover between the two groups. Shooting cops during a BLM demonstration is like something that William Luther Pierce would have come up with for one of his Aryan "heroes" to start a race war. Simple: Take an already tense situation (BLM in the days following two highly publicized and controversial police-involved shootings), then kill a few police officers. Have the other officers panic and open fire on the crowd, and the crowd turn on them in turn.

Of course, that's if they're white. If they're black, then it's more likely that this was as simple and ugly as it sounds, and if they're non-black Muslim, then Daesh fanboys are striking out randomly until something works.

[Corrian]

I actually stated a couple dozen posts ago that it would be a mistake to assume they are black and suggested it could even be a bunch of crazy white supremacists or terrorists. I even said it would be wrong to connect it to the BLM movement. The protestors were protesting peacefully when these savage thugs opened fire on the police and even struck a mother who was covering and defending her 15 year old son.

Then I suggest maybe not using "Apes" then, since it has blatantly racist history.

[Imperializt Russia]

Again, if you are so sure, go ahead and call them and tell them this was, in fact, a plot created by the BLM chapter in Dallas. Since you are asserting something not even the cops know with your telepathic powers.

To be fair, you're being pretty bullshit here.
He's not saying that BLM orchestrated or helped organize the shooting, rather that some of their ideas likely held a hand in the motivation of the shooters.

Does that mean we can blame the Tea Party for every Sovereign Citizen incident because they share libertarian beliefs?

[Liriena]

To be fair, you're being pretty bullshit here.
He's not saying that BLM orchestrated or helped organize the shooting, rather that some of their ideas likely held a hand in the motivation of the shooters.

Does that mean we can blame the Tea Party for every Sovereign Citizen incident because they share libertarian beliefs?

Or the pro-life movement for every attack on Planned Parenthood?

[Eol Sha]

Except the Amish don't use advanced tech. SCs have in the past killed police, so there is precedent, bad comparision.

Assuming for the sake of argument that the shooters are white and doing this for political/racial ends, it's more something out of the Supremacist/Separatist playbook than the SC one, though I know there's a bit of crossover between the two groups. Shooting cops during a BLM demonstration is like something that William Luther Pierce would have come up with for one of his Aryan "heroes" to start a race war. Simple: Take an already tense situation (BLM in the days following two highly publicized and controversial police-involved shootings), then kill a few police officers. Have the other officers panic and open fire on the crowd, and the crowd turn on them in turn.

That's an interesting thought.

[Seangoli]

Does that mean we can blame the Tea Party for every Sovereign Citizen incident because they share libertarian beliefs?

Or the pro-life movement for every attack on Planned Parenthood?

In part? Certainly. The rhetoric utilized by the Pro-Life movement in no small part influences people towards the attacks on Planned Parenthood and Women's health clinics. When you call a group of people murderers, and point out where they live, and get your friend riled up and screaming at them, it's only a matter of time before one the more unhinged individual gets ideas in his head about what needs to be done to protect the "innocent" lives.

Certainly not legally, but ethically? Absolutely in that case.

Now, with BLM, while it's certainly not the case that BLM had anything to do with the attacks themselves, certain types of rhetoric *certainly* influences people, particularly the more extreme forms of the rhetoric. New Chalcedon is a great example of what I'm talking about, where he stated multiple times that police across the nation are essentially terrorizing Black People-which simply isn't true. While BLM may not be that extreme in general, a similar sort of riling up using less than true rhetoric *has* occurred. Which in turn gives the less unhinged people the idea that this sort of behavior would be justified.

Now, if this ends up being the case, will BLM be at fault? No, not at all. But perhaps it'll be time to re-evaluate what sort of rhetoric is used in the future given their consequences.