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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:01 am

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Meaning that appealing sentences is not very likely for them to accomplish now.

You get a minimum number of appeals, regardless of the crime you committed.


Oh they can try, but with such a high-profile case I doubt they can get anything done but try.
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Postby American Imperial State » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:02 am

Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: Two suspicious devices to be detonated by DPDBS found at an intersection to the south.


Those are some pretty ingenuitve thugs.

Almost terrorist level now. Congratulations, I guess.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:02 am

Shonburg wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:I'm pretty sure you can't refuse at least the first try at an appeal for sentence reduction.

You get a minimum number of appeals. (3 iirc?)

I'm not sure. Wouldn't be surprised if it varied from state to state.
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Postby Chinese Peoples » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:02 am

Shonburg wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Meaning that appealing sentences is not very likely for them to accomplish now.

You get a minimum number of appeals, regardless of the crime you committed.

Appeals as of right are a cornerstone of the modern judicial system.
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Postby American Imperial State » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:03 am

Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: Two suspicious devices to be detonated by DPDBS found at an intersection to the south.

UPDATE 2: 4th suspect confirmed dead


Wonderful!

Reports say the coward shot himself. Typical.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:03 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Shonburg wrote:You get a minimum number of appeals, regardless of the crime you committed.


Oh they can try, but with such a high-profile case I doubt they can get anything done but try.

Appeals take years, and the average deathrow inmate serves 30 years before he is executed.
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Postby Free Terra » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:03 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Free Terra wrote:Unless they show affiliation to some organization, it's a lone-wolf type case. Terrorism doesn't have to be coming from a particular group, and these seem to be too far detached to lump them in with anything other than the group that was protesting at the time. Which is also grabbing at straws at this point.

Have the police said anything like this that would make you take this leap?

As far as I know, no. This is my personal opinion on the matter. As far as I've been informed, they haven't claimed affiliation, so no group to look for in particular. As far as motives, also unknown, but the context leans towards politically and racially motivated terrorism with regards to what's recently happened. Unless a motive is given or affiliation claimed, it seems like a lone-wolf attack.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:03 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Shonburg wrote:You get a minimum number of appeals, regardless of the crime you committed.


Oh they can try, but with such a high-profile case I doubt they can get anything done but try.

Either way, the point is that they can and likely will try for an appeal, get shot down, and waste taxpayer money on a costly process because they've been sentenced to death.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:04 am

Corrian wrote:
Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: Two suspicious devices to be detonated by DPDBS found at an intersection to the south.

UPDATE 2: 4th suspect confirmed dead

Ugh, does that mean there are actually potentially bomb devices?

DPD and ATF are just being cautious. With a large attack like this the threat very well could be real.
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Postby Minzerland » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:04 am

Do we have photos of the shooters yet?
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Postby -The Holy Roman Empire- » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:04 am

Someone mentioned Sovereign Citizens
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:05 am

Minzerland wrote:Do we have photos of the shooters yet?

I doubt it.
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Postby Yorkers » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:05 am



He's got a point. The silent, suburban white majority is actually armed to the teeth and doesn't have exactly the best view of black people. BLM's recent terrorism is not going to help.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:05 am

Minzerland wrote:Do we have photos of the shooters yet?

We do not.
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Postby Free Terra » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:05 am

Minzerland wrote:Do we have photos of the shooters yet?

Not that I'm aware of but I think we should stop giving the perpetrators of these things any limelight. That inspires more incidents and attacks.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:05 am

Chinese Peoples wrote:
Shonburg wrote:The police are politically at fault for starting this entire escapade, as a whole. I am not pointing fingers at any particular police personnel, but the institution. Politics exist on a parallel dimension distinct from the legal and the moral.

They were shot by snipers who were not part of the crowd, if you'd read the news you'd know this.

As for the second bit, police are part of the legal system.

The police are not part of the legal system.[/quote]

In the same way that Dick Cheney wasn't part of the executive branch of government.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:06 am

Corrian wrote:
Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: Two suspicious devices to be detonated by DPDBS found at an intersection to the south.

UPDATE 2: 4th suspect confirmed dead

Ugh, does that mean there are actually potentially bomb devices?
naw when bomb threats ride high any container put somewhere odd is gonna get blown up. Local police ones blew up a kids backpack cuz they figured it was a bomb.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:06 am

Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: Two suspicious devices to be detonated by DPDBS found at an intersection to the south.

UPDATE 2: 4th suspect confirmed dead


They're not opening the entire block of my college tomorrow to the public, and they brought the ATF with sniff dogs.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:06 am

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He's got a point. The silent, suburban white majority is actually armed to the teeth and doesn't have exactly the best view of black people. BLM's recent terrorism is not going to help.

Eh?
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Postby Yorkers » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:06 am

Minzerland wrote:Do we have photos of the shooters yet?


CBS news produced a photo of a suspect, but it's not confirmed if he's the actual shooter.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:06 am

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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:07 am

Yorkers wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Do we have photos of the shooters yet?


CBS news produced a photo of a suspect, but it's not confirmed if he's the actual shooter.

He is not, he turned himself in, he handed over his rifle to police to avoid misidentification. He was expressing his right to open carry in texas.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:07 am

Yorkers wrote:


He's got a point. The silent, suburban white majority is actually armed to the teeth and doesn't have exactly the best view of black people. BLM's recent terrorism is not going to help.


Which recent terrorism?
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Postby Free Terra » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:07 am

-The Holy Roman Empire- wrote:Someone mentioned Sovereign Citizens
Who are they?

People who try to cheat the legal system when they get stopped or questioned by police. The guys who always ask if they're being detained and saying the cop is committing a crime by talking to them.
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Postby Braecland » Fri Jul 08, 2016 1:07 am

Shonburg wrote:
Minzerland wrote:Do we have photos of the shooters yet?

We do not.

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