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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:52 am

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Free Terra wrote:Considering the context, and that the police force was the primary target, I'd say it has to be related. As to their lack of cooperation, I'd say they deserve injury, but today has had enough senseless violence.

I doubt it, this seems to planned to just be revenge for the killings.

It has a semblance of planning, but I didn't think it was that well planned. We can't rule anything out at this point.
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Eol Sha wrote:I don't.

From what I've read, one of the shooters yelled something involving the "End Times". I'd be cautious in assuming that these shootings had something to do with the two most recent high profile shootings. This probably involved some level of planning that took longer to come up with than one or two days.

Depends on their motives.

If that's true, then they have one HELL of a scapegoat. If they are doing this over the recent police brutality cases, then it's terrorism, if not, I still say they should be executed. People like that can't be rehabilitated, and they shouldn't be given life imprisonment, because then we'd be paying for them.

You'd be paying for the execution as well. The execution and the almost inevitable attempts at appealing the sentence (I think this is required by law).
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Ah, lovely world where even our elected officials are idiotic enough to jump straight to bullshit.

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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:55 am

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Eol Sha wrote:I don't.

From what I've read, one of the shooters yelled something involving the "End Times". I'd be cautious in assuming that these shootings had something to do with the two most recent high profile shootings. This probably involved some level of planning that took longer to come up with than one or two days.

Depends on their motives.

If that's true, then they have one HELL of a scapegoat. If they are doing this over the recent police brutality cases, then it's terrorism, if not, I still say they should be executed. People like that can't be rehabilitated, and they shouldn't be given life imprisonment, because then we'd be paying for them.

If it's terrorism, why execute them? Why not find out more about them?
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Shonburg wrote:I doubt it, this seems to planned to just be revenge for the killings.

Come to think of it yeah, it's a good political scapegoat to use if they are just crazed madmen. Regardless, people like that are too dangerous to let go.

Send them to SuperMAX. I'm sure the druglords, mafia dons, and domestic terrorists would like some new company.
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Eol Sha wrote:
Free Terra wrote:If that's true, then they have one HELL of a scapegoat. If they are doing this over the recent police brutality cases, then it's terrorism, if not, I still say they should be executed. People like that can't be rehabilitated, and they shouldn't be given life imprisonment, because then we'd be paying for them.

You'd be paying for the execution as well. The execution and the almost inevitable attempts at appealing the sentence (I think this is required by law).

It's still cheaper for a needle of toxins than for a lifetime of food, drink, shelter and other necessities, but this has become a non-sequitur. Let's agree to disagree for now.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:56 am

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Free Terra wrote:If that's true, then they have one HELL of a scapegoat. If they are doing this over the recent police brutality cases, then it's terrorism, if not, I still say they should be executed. People like that can't be rehabilitated, and they shouldn't be given life imprisonment, because then we'd be paying for them.

You'd be paying for the execution as well. The execution and the almost inevitable attempts at appealing the sentence (I think this is required by law).


With this kind of high profile case?!

I don't think there's any chance for them to get off easy for killing cops.
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Postby Kubra » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:56 am

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Free Terra wrote:Come to think of it yeah, it's a good political scapegoat to use if they are just crazed madmen. Regardless, people like that are too dangerous to let go.

Send them to SuperMAX. I'm sure the druglords, mafia dons, and domestic terrorists would like some new company.
Er, given that they've gone and shot cops, that may actually be so.
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Eol Sha wrote:You'd be paying for the execution as well. The execution and the almost inevitable attempts at appealing the sentence (I think this is required by law).

It's still cheaper for a needle of toxins than for a lifetime of food, drink, shelter and other necessities, but this has become a non-sequitur. Let's agree to disagree for now.

Actually, the modern death sentence is more expensive than keeping them in prison for life.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:57 am

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Eol Sha wrote:You'd be paying for the execution as well. The execution and the almost inevitable attempts at appealing the sentence (I think this is required by law).

It's still cheaper for a needle of toxins than for a lifetime of food, drink, shelter and other necessities, but this has become a non-sequitur. Let's agree to disagree for now.

Except the legal challenges to the death sentence from the perpetrators, assuming they choose to go that route, will inevitably cost way more to taxpayers than just life imprisonment.

Alright.
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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:You'd be paying for the execution as well. The execution and the almost inevitable attempts at appealing the sentence (I think this is required by law).


With this kind of high profile case?!

I don't think there's any chance for them to get off easy for killing cops.

What do you mean?
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Postby Corrian » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:57 am

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Free Terra wrote:It's still cheaper for a needle of toxins than for a lifetime of food, drink, shelter and other necessities, but this has become a non-sequitur. Let's agree to disagree for now.

Actually, the modern death sentence is more expensive than keeping them in prison for life.

Also, I would like to say, if I was a prisoner, I'd consider the death penalty a rather thoughtful gift. Thanks for sparing me a life in freaking prison, justice system.
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Postby Free Terra » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:58 am

Norstal wrote:
Free Terra wrote:If that's true, then they have one HELL of a scapegoat. If they are doing this over the recent police brutality cases, then it's terrorism, if not, I still say they should be executed. People like that can't be rehabilitated, and they shouldn't be given life imprisonment, because then we'd be paying for them.

If it's terrorism, why execute them? Why not find out more about them?

Unless they show affiliation to some organization, it's a lone-wolf type case. Terrorism doesn't have to be coming from a particular group, and these seem to be too far detached to lump them in with anything other than the group that was protesting at the time. Which is also grabbing at straws at this point. There isn't much more than motive to find out as far as we know.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:58 am

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Free Terra wrote:If that's true, then they have one HELL of a scapegoat. If they are doing this over the recent police brutality cases, then it's terrorism, if not, I still say they should be executed. People like that can't be rehabilitated, and they shouldn't be given life imprisonment, because then we'd be paying for them.

If it's terrorism, why execute them? Why not find out more about them?


Well Texas still uses the death penalty. It wouldn't be farfetched for the state to find them deserving of it.
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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
With this kind of high profile case?!

I don't think there's any chance for them to get off easy for killing cops.

What do you mean?


Meaning that appealing sentences is not very likely for them to accomplish now.
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Norstal wrote:If it's terrorism, why execute them? Why not find out more about them?

Unless they show affiliation to some organization, it's a lone-wolf type case. Terrorism doesn't have to be coming from a particular group, and these seem to be too far detached to lump them in with anything other than the group that was protesting at the time. Which is also grabbing at straws at this point.

Have the police said anything like this that would make you take this leap?
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Eol Sha wrote:What do you mean?


Meaning that appealing sentences is not very likely for them to accomplish now.

You get a minimum number of appeals, regardless of the crime you committed.
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Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:What do you mean?


Meaning that appealing sentences is not very likely for them to accomplish now.

I'm pretty sure you can't refuse at least the first try at an appeal for sentence reduction.
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Eol Sha wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Meaning that appealing sentences is not very likely for them to accomplish now.

I'm pretty sure you can't refuse at least the first try at an appeal for sentence reduction.

You get a minimum number of appeals. (3 iirc?)
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Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: Two suspicious devices to be detonated by DPDBS found at an intersection to the south.

UPDATE 2: 4th suspect confirmed dead

Ugh, does that mean there are actually potentially bomb devices?
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