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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:22 am

UPDATE: The threat is neutralized.
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Postby Chinese Peoples » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:22 am

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:Let's hold a plebiscite, shall we? Only the people of Dallas can decide that.


Dude, I live here in Dallas.

And so do many others who may not necessarily think like you.
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Postby New Axiom » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:22 am

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Shonburg wrote:That is illogical, disarming the police is not a solution to public mistrust.

Yes, it is. We put police in uniforms so they can't be mistaken, and that is to engage public trust and confidence. If we can regulate what they wear, why not what they carry?

An unarmed cop is a dead cop, and if cops are unarmed this will lead to more crime related death. If the cop can't shoot a perpetrator with a gun then more people are going to die since no one can eliminate the perp.
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Postby Reuss-Lippe » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:22 am

Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: The threat is neutralized.

amazing news!

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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:23 am

Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: The threat is neutralized.

Neutralized themselves it seems

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Postby Syadei » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:23 am

Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: The threat is neutralized.


Oh fantastic.

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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:23 am

Chinese Peoples wrote:
Shonburg wrote:Because their weapon is used as a tool to protect the populace and keep the peace.

Not in this case.

In this case, yes it was? You must have no experience or knowledge regarding firearms if you think a firefight is not endangering to the public and the peace.
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Postby Chinese Peoples » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:23 am

New Axiom wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:Yes, it is. We put police in uniforms so they can't be mistaken, and that is to engage public trust and confidence. If we can regulate what they wear, why not what they carry?

An unarmed cop is a dead cop, and if cops are unarmed this will lead to more crime related death. If the cop can't shoot a perpetrator with a gun then more people are going to die since no one can eliminate the perp.

Yes, so we come back to this issue, which is beyond the scope of this thread. Goodbye, sir!
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Postby New Axiom » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:23 am

Chinese Peoples wrote:
New Axiom wrote:An unarmed cop is a dead cop, and if cops are unarmed this will lead to more crime related death. If the cop can't shoot a perpetrator with a gun then more people are going to die since no one can eliminate the perp.

Yes, so we come back to this issue, which is beyond the scope of this thread. Goodbye, sir!


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Postby Collatis » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:24 am

Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: The threat is neutralized.

Nice for some good news. This has been a shitty couple of days indeed.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:24 am

Chinese Peoples wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Dude, I live here in Dallas.

And so do many others who may not necessarily think like you.


We don't have issues with our police department to actually have this become the issue you think it is.

If there were a lot of protests about our police department it would be different. At this point what you're doing is simply talking out of your asshole by trying to compare Dallas police force with the rest of police forces in the United States.
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Postby Syadei » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:24 am

Shonburg wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:Not in this case.

In this case, yes it was? You must have no experience or knowledge regarding firearms if you think a firefight is not endangering to the public and the peace.


Maybe you should explain for the guy. Here:

1) Stray bullets.
2) Shots can hit unintended targets.
3) It's not easy to hit a specific/intended target among a moving crowd.

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Postby Seangoli » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:25 am

Ganonsyoni wrote:
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And then we have the Purge.

Ah yes the movie based upon social darwinism is totes actually a reflection of a society with a disarmed police force.


In the US, where we not only allow people to own enough weapons to arm a small army, but are actually proud of this fact?

You better bloody well believe it.

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Postby Chinese Peoples » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:25 am

Shonburg wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:Not in this case.

In this case, yes it was? You must have no experience or knowledge regarding firearms if you think a firefight is not endangering to the public and the peace.

Well, they have failed spectacularly at it, if it remained their intentions. Failure is a cause for reconsideration of what should they have.
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Postby Corrian » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:25 am

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Shonburg wrote:UPDATE: The threat is neutralized.

Nice for some good news. This has been a shitty couple of days indeed.

The last 30 or so days has been pretty shitty.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:25 am

Chinese Peoples wrote:My condolences to all families involved.

But I think it's time to address the issue at hand: disarm police. Let us hold the police to account, collectively. If one cannot handle the responsible use of a firearm, then none of them shall have it. If there's a lunatic in the house, none of its residents should have a gun; the lunatic can easily snatch the gun.

I'm open to the idea of the police being disarmed during patrol, similar to what the UK has.

I am not open to the idea of completely disarming the police.
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Postby Shonburg » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:27 am

Chinese Peoples wrote:
Shonburg wrote:In this case, yes it was? You must have no experience or knowledge regarding firearms if you think a firefight is not endangering to the public and the peace.

Well, they have failed spectacularly at it, if it remained their intentions. Failure is a cause for reconsideration of what should they have.

Failed spectacularly? They prevented what could have easily become as worse or even worse than Orlando.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:27 am

American Imperial State wrote:
Kubra wrote: You know, if the cops were in the business of taking no prisoners, shooters would probably just, well, keep shooting.
+advocating death ain't kosher here bruv, even active shooters.


Well, they're murderers. They should be convicted first, then boiled alive.


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Postby Chinese Peoples » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:27 am

Norstal wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:My condolences to all families involved.

But I think it's time to address the issue at hand: disarm police. Let us hold the police to account, collectively. If one cannot handle the responsible use of a firearm, then none of them shall have it. If there's a lunatic in the house, none of its residents should have a gun; the lunatic can easily snatch the gun.

I'm open to the idea of the police being disarmed during patrol, similar to what the UK has.

:blush:
I am not open to the idea of completely disarming the police.

Do you or do you not agree that the people by their legislative representatives should decide if and how the police should be armed?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:28 am

Chinese Peoples wrote:
Shonburg wrote:In this case, yes it was? You must have no experience or knowledge regarding firearms if you think a firefight is not endangering to the public and the peace.

Well, they have failed spectacularly at it, if it remained their intentions. Failure is a cause for reconsideration of what should they have.


Failure would have been letting the snipers get away with killing civilians.

The cops did their job, like it or not.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:28 am

Shonburg wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:Yes, it is. We put police in uniforms so they can't be mistaken, and that is to engage public trust and confidence. If we can regulate what they wear, why not what they carry?

Because their weapon is used as a tool to protect the populace and keep the peace.


As so many black men of all ages have found out.
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Postby Chinese Peoples » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:29 am

Shonburg wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:Well, they have failed spectacularly at it, if it remained their intentions. Failure is a cause for reconsideration of what should they have.

Failed spectacularly? They prevented what could have easily become as worse or even worse than Orlando.

Yes, failed. They should have exercised restraint better than they did, and now they must be held responsible for all this mess. I am not saying that the shooter doesn't have a part, but the police are the instigators, and they should be dealt with internal disciplinary procedures and prosecuted to the fullest extent under all relevant laws.
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Postby Eol Sha » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:30 am

Jumalariik wrote:http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protests-in-Dallas-Over-Alton-Sterling-Death-385784431.html

Indeed, unfortunately, two police officers were shot at a protest over the death of Alton Sterling. Hopefully the officers will live.

What do you all think of this? Is it a sign of times ahead, an anomaly, or something else?

Personally, I think it's very sad to see police officers shot, and I was very surprised that there was no thread on it earlier. Not much else to say at the moment, as the story is not over.

It is sad. Hopefully the remaining suspect(s) are captured quickly and as peacefully as possible.
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Postby Seangoli » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:30 am

New Chalcedon wrote:
Shonburg wrote:Because their weapon is used as a tool to protect the populace and keep the peace.


As so many black men of all ages have found out.


I refer you, once again, to my breakdown of the data on the subject.

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Postby Syadei » Fri Jul 08, 2016 12:30 am

Norstal wrote:
Chinese Peoples wrote:My condolences to all families involved.

But I think it's time to address the issue at hand: disarm police. Let us hold the police to account, collectively. If one cannot handle the responsible use of a firearm, then none of them shall have it. If there's a lunatic in the house, none of its residents should have a gun; the lunatic can easily snatch the gun.

I'm open to the idea of the police being disarmed during patrol, similar to what the UK has.

I am not open to the idea of completely disarming the police.


I think it's a little too late to have officers disarmed, sadly.

With 300,000,000 (at least) guns in circulation in the US, that's almost a gun for every person in the US. That means criminals will always have the upper hand and there's nobody to protect the civilian population immediately.

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