Two Police Shot in Dallas

[Seangoli]

If you disarm police, how would they be able to protect the populace effectively in a situation like this?

None of the populace has been endangered in this particular situation.

That is wildly untrue. A woman was wounded after being shot by one of the snipers while trying to protect her son. Considering that the officers were very near the protestors, a missed shot could very easily have killed one of the protestors.

Also, you know, the officers on the scene weren't actually doing much of anything other than standing around. They were as much an innocent as any of the bystanders.

[Syadei]

UPDATE: All employees and students at El Centro are evacuated.

That's great news.

[Kubra]

The fox stream had the reporter saying they'd already done so.
I'm less apt to trust what I heard now, since obviously if it were known that the guy was down it would have been bigger news.

All the Fox stream is doing right now is staring at the DART Officer that was killed, and they'll probably go back to (yes, they have) go back to focusing on the building that the standoff is occurring. I'm not from the US, but Fox look awful, they couldn't even synchronise audio with video when that female reporter was on.

Have mercy, it's available for canadians

[Soldati Senza Confini]

UPDATE: All employees and students at El Centro are evacuated.

Actually, two still remain at the BoA building at the garage.

[Seangoli]

So your solution to terror attacks on police officers is to... disarm them? While this could be a valid opinion, it seems much less valid in the light of recent events.

The problem here is that the people do not trust the police, and since police are a local service, it should be up the community to arm or disarm them to the extent that they desire. If they don't want the police to have guns, then they should have their way; it's their community and it's safety, after all.

And then we have the Purge.

[Syadei]

All the Fox stream is doing right now is staring at the DART Officer that was killed, and they'll probably go back to (yes, they have) go back to focusing on the building that the standoff is occurring. I'm not from the US, but Fox look awful, they couldn't even synchronise audio with video when that female reporter was on.

Have mercy, it's available for canadians

It's available for me in England too. The Fox news reporter is so damn mundane though.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If you disarm police, how would they be able to protect the populace effectively in a situation like this?

None of the populace has been endangered in this particular situation.

They were snipers, shooting at a crowd, specifically to kill cops.

How is this not just a stupid idea, but also not a dangerous one for the crowd?

[Kubra]

Have mercy, it's available for canadians

It's available for me in England too. The Fox news reporter is so damn mundane though.

today our queen is a curse
god save the queen tho, bloody yanks think 16 ounces is a pint

Back on topic, the desync might be because we're getting the stream off livestream.com, and not necessarily the Fox stream itself.

[Chinese Peoples]

My condolences to all families involved.

But I think it's time to address the issue at hand: disarm police. Let us hold the police to account, collectively. If one cannot handle the responsible use of a firearm, then none of them shall have it. If there's a lunatic in the house, none of its residents should have a gun; the lunatic can easily snatch the gun.

You are suggesting that police be disarmed in a thread regarding 11 police officers who were shot in the line of duty, 5 of whom died as a result of their wounds.

Let's think about that for a bit, shall we?

Yes. I am suggesting that they be disarmed. If the community does not trust them, they are as good as dismissed. Is it more logical that the community chooses the police that serves the community, or that the police chooses the community it serves?

[Syadei]

It's available for me in England too. The Fox news reporter is so damn mundane though.

today our queen is a curse
god save the queen tho, bloody yanks think 16 ounces is a pint

Back on topic, the desync might be because we're getting the stream off livestream.com, and not necessarily the Fox stream itself.

It's on Fox news itself.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/255356509400 ... watch-live

Apparently the suspect shot himself.

[Ganonsyoni]

The problem here is that the people do not trust the police, and since police are a local service, it should be up the community to arm or disarm them to the extent that they desire. If they don't want the police to have guns, then they should have their way; it's their community and it's safety, after all.

And then we have the Purge.

Ah yes the movie based upon social darwinism is totes actually a reflection of a society with a disarmed police force.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You are suggesting that police be disarmed in a thread regarding 11 police officers who were shot in the line of duty, 5 of whom died as a result of their wounds.

Let's think about that for a bit, shall we?

Yes. I am suggesting that they be disarmed. If the community does not trust them, they are as good as dismissed. Is it more logical that the community chooses the police that serves the community, or that the police chooses the community it serves?

But we trust our cops at Dallas...

[Chinese Peoples]

None of the populace has been endangered in this particular situation.

That is wildly untrue. A woman was wounded after being shot by one of the snipers while trying to protect her son. Considering that the officers were very near the protestors, a missed shot could very easily have killed one of the protestors.

And what have the armed police done to protect her? Having a gun and not using it for the right purposes is pretty similar to not having one, or worse.

Also, you know, the officers on the scene weren't actually doing much of anything other than standing around. They were as much an innocent as any of the bystanders.

They may be innocent, but they are not bystanders.

[Shonburg]

You are suggesting that police be disarmed in a thread regarding 11 police officers who were shot in the line of duty, 5 of whom died as a result of their wounds.

Let's think about that for a bit, shall we?

Yes. I am suggesting that they be disarmed. If the community does not trust them, they are as good as dismissed. Is it more logical that the community chooses the police that serves the community, or that the police chooses the community it serves?

That is illogical, disarming the police is not a solution to public mistrust.

[Minzerland]

If you disarm police, how would they be able to protect the populace effectively in a situation like this?

None of the populace has been endangered in this particular situation.

One civilian has been injured.

[Chinese Peoples]

Yes. I am suggesting that they be disarmed. If the community does not trust them, they are as good as dismissed. Is it more logical that the community chooses the police that serves the community, or that the police chooses the community it serves?

That is illogical, disarming the police is not a solution to public mistrust.

Yes, it is. We put police in uniforms so they can't be mistaken, and that is to engage public trust and confidence. If we can regulate what they wear, why not what they carry?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That is wildly untrue. A woman was wounded after being shot by one of the snipers while trying to protect her son. Considering that the officers were very near the protestors, a missed shot could very easily have killed one of the protestors.

And what have the armed police done to protect her? Having a gun and not using it for the right purposes is pretty similar to not having one, or worse.

Also, you know, the officers on the scene weren't actually doing much of anything other than standing around. They were as much an innocent as any of the bystanders.

They may be innocent, but they are not bystanders.

[Syadei]

Yes. I am suggesting that they be disarmed. If the community does not trust them, they are as good as dismissed. Is it more logical that the community chooses the police that serves the community, or that the police chooses the community it serves?

That is illogical, disarming the police is not a solution to public mistrust.

Don't disarm the police, there are too many guns in the US for that now. But prosecute the police that do wrong. Also, aren't there some states that require officers to wear head cams? That's probably the way to go to re-gain trust.

[Kubra]

today our queen is a curse
god save the queen tho, bloody yanks think 16 ounces is a pint

Back on topic, the desync might be because we're getting the stream off livestream.com, and not necessarily the Fox stream itself.

It's on Fox news itself.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/255356509400 ... watch-live

Apparently the suspect shot himself.

"I believe that he shot himself"
"probably an hour ago"
k nvm fuck this stream

[Shonburg]

That is illogical, disarming the police is not a solution to public mistrust.

Yes, it is. We put police in uniforms so they can't be mistaken, and that is to engage public trust and confidence. If we can regulate what they wear, why not what they carry?

Because their weapon is used as a tool to protect the populace and keep the peace.

[Chinese Peoples]

Yes. I am suggesting that they be disarmed. If the community does not trust them, they are as good as dismissed. Is it more logical that the community chooses the police that serves the community, or that the police chooses the community it serves?

But we trust our cops at Dallas...

Let's hold a plebiscite, shall we? Only the people of Dallas can decide that.

[Kubra]

"the building will probably be closed tomorrow"
oh man who woulda thunk

[Chinese Peoples]

Yes, it is. We put police in uniforms so they can't be mistaken, and that is to engage public trust and confidence. If we can regulate what they wear, why not what they carry?

Because their weapon is used as a tool to protect the populace and keep the peace.

Not in this case.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

But we trust our cops at Dallas...

Let's hold a plebiscite, shall we? Only the people of Dallas can decide that.

Dude, I live here in Dallas.

[Shonburg]

That is illogical, disarming the police is not a solution to public mistrust.

Don't disarm the police, there are too many guns in the US for that now. But prosecute the police that do wrong. Also, aren't there some states that require officers to wear head cams? That's probably the way to go to re-gain trust.

More and more states, counties and cities are requiring body cams after Obama offered federal funds.