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Postby Taziristan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:10 am

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Tyrinth wrote:I'm just kind of lost on the concept of "bomb robot."

Am I creating the incorrect mental image, or is real life mimicking Call of Duty here?

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The Germans used them in ww2. They called them Goliaths
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:13 am

Minzerland wrote:Update: Suspect has been killed by robotic explosive device after negotiations broke down.

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Postby Korva » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:15 am

Taziristan wrote:The Germans used them in ww2. They called them Goliaths

Goliath was just a tracked explosive. Bomb disposal robots are equipped with cameras, lights, manipulators, etc to help police identify/observe/dispose of possible explosives.

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:20 am

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Taziristan wrote:The Germans used them in ww2. They called them Goliaths

Goliath was just a tracked explosive. Bomb disposal robots are equipped with cameras, lights, manipulators, etc to help police identify/observe/dispose of possible explosives.

You can't really kill someone with a bomb disposal robot. Well, you could try to park it on their neck or something. But that's not what they're for.

Whereas this sounds like it was a bomb robot, not a bomb disposal robot. As in, a bomb with remote controlled wheels on it. An RCXD.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:23 am

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Tyrinth wrote:Wait... what?


They had to use a bomb robot last night in hopes of getting the dude out of the place. Man got injured by the blast. Then killed himself not long after.

BBC is reporting on their live feed that this is not correct, and the suspect was killed by the device (and was probably intended to).

Live feed also has a short user-captured video of the shootings, which seems to have begun after the first shots rang out (people on the tape discussing that, at this moment, four or five officers appear to have been shot). It goes on for 1:32 as shots continue, and ends as further shots are heard.
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Postby Korva » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:25 am

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Korva wrote:Goliath was just a tracked explosive. Bomb disposal robots are equipped with cameras, lights, manipulators, etc to help police identify/observe/dispose of possible explosives.

You can't really kill someone with a bomb disposal robot. Well, you could try to park it on their neck or something. But that's not what they're for.

Whereas this sounds like it was a bomb robot, not a bomb disposal robot. As in, a bomb with remote controlled wheels on it. An RCXD.

One method of bomb disposal is to detonate the bomb with a smaller charge. These robots have manipulators that can grasp and carry those charges.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:27 am

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Ifreann wrote:You can't really kill someone with a bomb disposal robot. Well, you could try to park it on their neck or something. But that's not what they're for.

Whereas this sounds like it was a bomb robot, not a bomb disposal robot. As in, a bomb with remote controlled wheels on it. An RCXD.

One method of bomb disposal is to detonate the bomb with a smaller charge. These robots have manipulators that can grasp and carry those charges.

Suspect involved in stand-off was killed by police bomb
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Police chief David Brown said the suspect involved in a stand-off in the parking garage did not take his own life, contrary to earlier reports in the media.

He was killed by an explosive device sent in by police attached to a robot, Mr Brown said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-36743033
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Postby Minzerland » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:28 am

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Free Terra wrote:Not that I'm aware of but I think we should stop giving the perpetrators of these things any limelight. That inspires more incidents and attacks.

Such askings of the photos from suspects are actually whistle blowing for to asking which race is the suspect.


You are correct, I'd like to know the race of the perpetrators, but not because your preconceived notion of me being a 'racist'.
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Postby Korva » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:29 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Korva wrote:One method of bomb disposal is to detonate the bomb with a smaller charge. These robots have manipulators that can grasp and carry those charges.

Suspect involved in stand-off was killed by police bomb
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Police chief David Brown said the suspect involved in a stand-off in the parking garage did not take his own life, contrary to earlier reports in the media.

He was killed by an explosive device sent in by police attached to a robot, Mr Brown said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-36743033

I understand that, but I highly doubt they were using purpose built CoD robutts. More likely that a regular disposal robot was used to carry a charge.

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Postby Taziristan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:30 am

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Westoropa wrote:Such askings of the photos from suspects are actually whistle blowing for to asking which race is the suspect.


You are correct, I'd like to know the race of the perpetrators, but not because your preconceived notion of me being a 'racist'.

Black, as far as I know. It's rather unfortunate too. I gate that this japoened. I can't stand it. Racists have their excuse to be Racists, cops have their excuse to be asses, politicians have their excuse for gun control, and the general public gets nothing but crapped on as a result.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:31 am

Minzerland wrote:
Westoropa wrote:Such askings of the photos from suspects are actually whistle blowing for to asking which race is the suspect.


You are correct, I'd like to know the race of the perpetrators, but not because your preconceived notion of me being a 'racist'.


Pretty sure they were black from what I've heard/seen in footage of the shootings.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:31 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:Suspect involved in stand-off was killed by police bomb
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Police chief David Brown said the suspect involved in a stand-off in the parking garage did not take his own life, contrary to earlier reports in the media.

He was killed by an explosive device sent in by police attached to a robot, Mr Brown said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-36743033

I understand that, but I highly doubt they were using purpose built CoD robutts. More likely that a regular disposal robot was used to carry a charge.

Bomb disposal robots are pretty pricey. When carrying out controlled explosion, they're expected to not be near the explosion.
The only way I can see such a tactic being effective would be for the robot to be sacrificed in the blast - so I doubt they were using an EOD robot.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:33 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Korva wrote:One method of bomb disposal is to detonate the bomb with a smaller charge. These robots have manipulators that can grasp and carry those charges.

Suspect involved in stand-off was killed by police bomb
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Police chief David Brown said the suspect involved in a stand-off in the parking garage did not take his own life, contrary to earlier reports in the media.

He was killed by an explosive device sent in by police attached to a robot, Mr Brown said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-36743033

It feels slightly bizarre that such things exist, and that Dallas PD have one of them. Only slightly, though.

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Postby Brilliania » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:34 am

BLM is at it again! Darn anti-white racists!
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Postby Taziristan » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:34 am

Brilliania wrote:BLM is at it again! Darn anti-white racists!

Ugh. Don't blame blm for this.
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Postby Minzerland » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:35 am

Taziristan wrote:
Minzerland wrote:
You are correct, I'd like to know the race of the perpetrators, but not because your preconceived notion of me being a 'racist'.

Black, as far as I know. It's rather unfortunate too. I gate that this japoened. I can't stand it. Racists have their excuse to be Racists, cops have their excuse to be asses, politicians have their excuse for gun control, and the general public gets nothing but crapped on as a result.


I simply just want to know all the details available.
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Postby Korva » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:35 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Korva wrote:I understand that, but I highly doubt they were using purpose built CoD robutts. More likely that a regular disposal robot was used to carry a charge.

Bomb disposal robots are pretty pricey. When carrying out controlled explosion, they're expected to not be near the explosion.
The only way I can see such a tactic being effective would be for the robot to be sacrificed in the blast - so I doubt they were using an EOD robot.

Who knows, but those robots can be obtained from the military through the 1033 program, much like MRAPs.

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Postby Minzerland » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:35 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Minzerland wrote:
You are correct, I'd like to know the race of the perpetrators, but not because your preconceived notion of me being a 'racist'.


Pretty sure they were black from what I've heard/seen in footage of the shootings.


Thanks.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:35 am

Taziristan wrote:
Brilliania wrote:BLM is at it again! Darn anti-white racists!

Ugh. Don't blame blm for this.


At least one of the suspects supported BLM and wanted to specifically kill white cops. People are going to blame them.
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Postby Talvezout » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:36 am

I don't know if it's slightly worrying that bomb robots are an actual thing or not.

Anyways, both of the options we're getting here are worrying. Either we got some members of BLM deciding to crank things up, or we've got some lone wolves attack here.

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Postby Minzerland » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:37 am

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Taziristan wrote:Ugh. Don't blame blm for this.


At least one of the suspects supported BLM and wanted to specifically kill white cops. People are going to blame them.


Probably was motivated by BLM, tbh.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:39 am

Korva wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Bomb disposal robots are pretty pricey. When carrying out controlled explosion, they're expected to not be near the explosion.
The only way I can see such a tactic being effective would be for the robot to be sacrificed in the blast - so I doubt they were using an EOD robot.

Who knows, but those robots can be obtained from the military through the 1033 program, much like MRAPs.

Doesn't make them free, someone'll be getting a stern disciplinary for this I'm sure :P
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:39 am

Ifreann wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Suspect involved in stand-off was killed by police bomb
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Police chief David Brown said the suspect involved in a stand-off in the parking garage did not take his own life, contrary to earlier reports in the media.

He was killed by an explosive device sent in by police attached to a robot, Mr Brown said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-36743033

It feels slightly bizarre that such things exist, and that Dallas PD have one of them. Only slightly, though.

the NYPD claims to have "air to air capability".
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:41 am

Minzerland wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
At least one of the suspects supported BLM and wanted to specifically kill white cops. People are going to blame them.


Probably was motivated by BLM, tbh.


Yep. What's more troublesome is at least one of them had some decent training for such situations.
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Postby Vettrera » Fri Jul 08, 2016 7:41 am

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
At least one of the suspects supported BLM and wanted to specifically kill white cops. People are going to blame them.


Probably was motivated by BLM, tbh.

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