Two Police Shot in Dallas

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It won't. What the general populace means with 'hate crime' and what, in actual legal terms, constitutes a 'hate crime', is very different. A hate crime, legally, is a criminalised insult of an entire group of people, whether that be a majority or a minority. If I, for instance, were to claim that all black people are lazy good-for-nothings (which I am not, fyi), I would be committing a hate crime. If I were to kill a black man for being black, that would be murder (or manslaughter, depending on my level of preparation). Of course, whether it is a hate crime in the general sense of the word is to be debated, but no judge would sentence a murderer for 'hate crimes', as those people would go free with a fine or a very short jail sentence.

I'm fairly certain that if your crime was found to be motivated by hate, they sentence you to even more time in jail or it ups whatever the charge of murder you get. If I am wrong, another person please correct me.

Ah! Well, then, I correct you. As far as my information is concerned, it doesn't. Motivation does play into the sentencing, but not in any official or formalised way. The motivation might play into this, but again, for a judge, that doesn't make a murder a hate crime. It might do for the media, who have corrupted legal terms in a hundred different ways, but not for a judge.

[Aelex]

A hate crime doesn't have to be racist, though.

I don't know, we don't have specific laws against hate crimes (at least not that I know of) and no particular definition of it so I can't really tell.
I thought, however, that the definition of an hate crime was a crime targeting someone for the sole motive of their appartenance to a race or religion, was I wrong?

[Ethel mermania]

According to the British the sons of liberty were terrorists. Luckily for them, they won.

If you're not going to respond to my post it's easier to just not post than to post something totally irrelevant.

I am responding to your post. I assumed you knew who the sons of liberty were. I don't see how the two apply but yes the US was formed by what the British considered terrorists. The second amendment preserves the people's right to revolt.

How does that apply to blm?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I might be mixing up European law with American law, as the US has a few quirks in the legal system that aren't found anywhere else. (I'm looking at you, Constitution. And you, treaties)

[The East Marches]

I'm fairly certain that if your crime was found to be motivated by hate, they sentence you to even more time in jail or it ups whatever the charge of murder you get. If I am wrong, another person please correct me.

Ah! Well, then, I correct you. As far as my information is concerned, it doesn't. Motivation does play into the sentencing, but not in any official or formalised way. The motivation might play into this, but again, for a judge, that doesn't make a murder a hate crime. It might do for the media, who have corrupted legal terms in a hundred different ways, but not for a judge.

Can you provide a source on that? I don't mean to be rude but you aren't American and I'd like some form of verification. I would also like it for my own use should the topic of hate crimes in the U.S. be brought up again.

I might be mixing up European law with American law, as the US has a few quirks in the legal system that aren't found anywhere else. (I'm looking at you, Constitution. And you, treaties)

Its the whole freedom thing. Europeans often get confused at the topic of our amendments among other things. I may not be knowledgeable about our criminal law but I can easily rant about European style contract law for hours.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

A hate crime doesn't have to be racist, though.

I don't know, we don't have specific laws against hate crimes (at least not that I know of) and no particular definition of it so I can't really tell.
I thought, however, that the definition of an hate crime was a crime targeting someone for the sole motive of their appartenance to a race or religion, was I wrong?

When it comes to the American system? Sort of.

When it comes to our system what makes a hate crime a hate crime is not even sole motivation, in many states it only requires bias. and intimidation to stop someone from doing something they are legally capable of doing. So say I see you buying something from a store and I stop you and threaten you that if you go to that store I'm shanking you. Well, you decide to call the cops on me. If they find any sort of bias because "Frenchie had it coming, they're not welcome to my country" it'd be a hate crime.

It's usually penalized by a fine or a year of prison, or both. I don't think that they would like to charge these shooters with hate crime law. If anything I can bet they're going to try to throw the book at them.

Basically it has to be bias+intimidation based on U.S. law. Obama dropped the requirement it has to be a legally protected action the victim is partaking in 2009 with the Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2009

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Ah! Well, then, I correct you. As far as my information is concerned, it doesn't. Motivation does play into the sentencing, but not in any official or formalised way. The motivation might play into this, but again, for a judge, that doesn't make a murder a hate crime. It might do for the media, who have corrupted legal terms in a hundred different ways, but not for a judge.

Can you provide a source on that? I don't mean to be rude but you aren't American and I'd like some form of verification. I would also like it for my own use should the topic of hate crimes in the U.S. be brought up again.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crim ... ct_of_1968

[Taziristan]

This whole ordeal was bound to happen at some point. It's been building for years now

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Ah! Well, then, I correct you. As far as my information is concerned, it doesn't. Motivation does play into the sentencing, but not in any official or formalised way. The motivation might play into this, but again, for a judge, that doesn't make a murder a hate crime. It might do for the media, who have corrupted legal terms in a hundred different ways, but not for a judge.

Can you provide a source on that? I don't mean to be rude but you aren't American and I'd like some form of verification. I would also like it for my own use should the topic of hate crimes in the U.S. be brought up again.

I might be mixing up European law with American law, as the US has a few quirks in the legal system that aren't found anywhere else. (I'm looking at you, Constitution. And you, treaties)

Its the whole freedom thing. Europeans often get confused at the topic of our amendments among other things. I may not be knowledgeable about our criminal law but I can easily rant about European style contract law for hours.

Ahhh, no, I see now. It's the difference between the Continental System and the Anglo-Saxon system. The European Union has an English definition of Hate Crime that does not correspond to the American definition. So, I was wrong. Well, in that case, it's probably interesting whether or not this will be counted as a hate crime.

But just for the record, European nations know freedom too. We just don't add amendments to the constitution, we change the constitution as a whole. As for our contract law... It might be a bit off tangent, but what's wrong with that?

[The East Marches]

Can you provide a source on that? I don't mean to be rude but you aren't American and I'd like some form of verification. I would also like it for my own use should the topic of hate crimes in the U.S. be brought up again.



Its the whole freedom thing. Europeans often get confused at the topic of our amendments among other things. I may not be knowledgeable about our criminal law but I can easily rant about European style contract law for hours.

Ahhh, no, I see now. It's the difference between the Continental System and the Anglo-Saxon system. The European Union has an English definition of Hate Crime that does not correspond to the American definition. So, I was wrong. Well, in that case, it's probably interesting whether or not this will be counted as a hate crime.

But just for the record, European nations know freedom too. We just don't add amendments to the constitution, we change the constitution as a whole. As for our contract law... It might be a bit off tangent, but what's wrong with that?

Getting arrested for twitter jokes about garbagemen isn't what I'd call freedom. You guys take the restrictions too far.

The idea of "abus de droit" and the idea that a judge can alter a contract signed using terms we threw around during negotiations. Those are the biggest pains in the ass. There is more but thats the basics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crim ... ct_of_1968

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/documents/072000050K12-7.1.htm

I also google'd it for my state too. It appears our laws turn what would otherwise be misdemeanors into felonies.

Edit: Forgot to say thanks for source

[Minzerland]

Update: Suspect has been killed by robotic explosive device after negotiations broke down.

[Tyrinth]

Update: Suspect has been killed by robotic explosive device after negotiations broke down.

Wait... what?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Update: Suspect has been killed by robotic explosive device after negotiations broke down.

That happened last night, yea.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Update: Suspect has been killed by robotic explosive device after negotiations broke down.

Wait... what?

They had to use a bomb robot last night in hopes of getting the dude out of the place. Man got injured by the blast. Then killed himself not long after.

[Senkaku]

Jesus. Glad to hear you're okay physically, then. I'm going to bed.

He's lying. He lies about this sort of thing. Ignore him.

Kek well I swallowed that completely then

The deaths are unfortunate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mistaken- ... es-ordeal/

Wow, though. Great that he gave up his gun to police - he could have been killed so easily.

That was seriously fucked up, the way the media was like "hey look! we have a picture of a black guy with a gun! everyone get him!"

Update: Suspect has been killed by robotic explosive device after negotiations broke down.

I would say how sad I am, but I'm not sad at all about that.

[Minzerland]

Update: Suspect has been killed by robotic explosive device after negotiations broke down.

That happened last night, yea.

It did? I just got the news, I mean, it just popped up 2 minutes ago.

[Tyrinth]

Wait... what?

They had to use a bomb robot last night in hopes of getting the dude out of the place. Man got injured by the blast. Then killed himself not long after.

I'm just kind of lost on the concept of "bomb robot."

Am I creating the incorrect mental image, or is real life mimicking Call of Duty here?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That happened last night, yea.

It did? I just got the news, I mean, it just popped up 2 minutes ago.

Yea, all of that went down between 1 and 2 am.

Right now the ATF and DPD have the entire area of the incident and several adjacent blocks on lockdown to try and track explosives.

[Taziristan]

They had to use a bomb robot last night in hopes of getting the dude out of the place. Man got injured by the blast. Then killed himself not long after.

I'm just kind of lost on the concept of "bomb robot."

Am I creating the incorrect mental image, or is real life mimicking Call of Duty here?

Call of duty I'd using real concepts and advancing them further

[Minzerland]

It did? I just got the news, I mean, it just popped up 2 minutes ago.

Yea, all of that went down between 1 and 2 am.

Right now the ATF and DPD have the entire area of the incident and several adjacent blocks on lockdown to try and track explosives.

Ah.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They had to use a bomb robot last night in hopes of getting the dude out of the place. Man got injured by the blast. Then killed himself not long after.

I'm just kind of lost on the concept of "bomb robot."

Am I creating the incorrect mental image, or is real life mimicking Call of Duty here?

Basically, from what it looks like, it was a little robot, with a bomb strapped to it.

[Tyrinth]

I'm just kind of lost on the concept of "bomb robot."

Am I creating the incorrect mental image, or is real life mimicking Call of Duty here?

Basically, from what it looks like, it was a little robot, with a bomb strapped to it.

I just don't understand the world anymore. I think it's time for me to move to remote Siberia to live out the last of my days.

[Korva]

They had to use a bomb robot last night in hopes of getting the dude out of the place. Man got injured by the blast. Then killed himself not long after.

I'm just kind of lost on the concept of "bomb robot."

Am I creating the incorrect mental image, or is real life mimicking Call of Duty here?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm just kind of lost on the concept of "bomb robot."

Am I creating the incorrect mental image, or is real life mimicking Call of Duty here?

Basically, from what it looks like, it was a little robot, with a bomb strapped to it.

Well I know what I'm making now.

Basically, from what it looks like, it was a little robot, with a bomb strapped to it.

I just don't understand the world anymore. I think it's time for me to move to remote Siberia to live out the last of my days.

Siberia sucks, just an fyi.

[Ifreann]

It won't. What the general populace means with 'hate crime' and what, in actual legal terms, constitutes a 'hate crime', is very different. A hate crime, legally, is a criminalised insult of an entire group of people, whether that be a majority or a minority. If I, for instance, were to claim that all black people are lazy good-for-nothings (which I am not, fyi), I would be committing a hate crime. If I were to kill a black man for being black, that would be murder (or manslaughter, depending on my level of preparation). Of course, whether it is a hate crime in the general sense of the word is to be debated, but no judge would sentence a murderer for 'hate crimes', as those people would go free with a fine or a very short jail sentence.

I'm fairly certain that if your crime was found to be motivated by hate, they sentence you to even more time in jail or it ups whatever the charge of murder you get. If I am wrong, another person please correct me.

You're right.

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A hate crime doesn't have to be racist, though.

I don't know, we don't have specific laws against hate crimes (at least not that I know of) and no particular definition of it so I can't really tell.
I thought, however, that the definition of an hate crime was a crime targeting someone for the sole motive of their appartenance to a race or religion, was I wrong?

Race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity. Possibly other things.

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If you're not going to respond to my post it's easier to just not post than to post something totally irrelevant.

I am responding to your post. I assumed you knew who the sons of liberty were.

I do.

I don't see how the two apply but yes the US was formed by what the British considered terrorists. The second amendment preserves the people's right to revolt.

How does that apply to blm?

I have no idea. You brought the Sons of Liberty up, not me.

According to you the BLM protest movement is a terrorist group because they are creating an environment that encourages violence. My point is that American culture is creating an environment that encourages violence, and has been for probably most of the last 250 years. There's a whole forest in front of you and you're blaming one sapling.