Two Police Shot in Dallas

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Where did you hear this? I am listening to Brown's statement live right now and I haven't heard him say it.

I am too, I just heard him say it a few minutes ago.

Must've missed it.

But if this was the case, then it seems like, indeed, the rhetoric of BLM in other sectors of the country may have had to do with this and the protest yesterday was a hell of a convenient opportunity for these guys.

The fact that they're not affiliated to any groups points that these guys were lone wolves just wanting an excuse to kill cops.

[Cabana]

I am too, I just heard him say it a few minutes ago.

Must've missed it.

But if this was the case, then it seems like, indeed, the rhetoric of BLM in other sectors of the country may have had to do with this and the protest yesterday was a hell of a convenient opportunity for these guys.

The fact that they're not affiliated to any groups points that these guys were lone wolves just wanting an excuse to kill cops.

Yep Chief Brown just says "he expressed killing white officers"

[Aelex]

Chief Brown already said one of the suspects said they were not related to any groups. So your rebuttal was dead wrong anyways.

Same suspects who were described as "uncooperative" and we have no particular reason to trust the word as if it was God's one?
And well, the dear little Djihadi who beheaded one man last year near my hometown and planned to bomb some more also said he wasn't doing it for religious reasons. At first.

And don't try to walk away from this one that easily. Why exactly your own conjecture should be took more seriously than anyone else? Don't take it bad, bro, but since it's also supported by "nothing but hot air", as you said yourself, I don't really see why I or anyone else who don't believe the same as you should take it more seriously in the light of some words said by the alleged suspect of a cops murder mere hours after his arrestation.

[Ethel mermania]

That is fair, but has nothing to do with blm.

It has everything to do with your criticism of the BLM protest movement. If they are a terrorist group because they have, as you say, created an environment that encourages violence, then everyone who's ever talked about "Second Amendment solutions" is too. An environment that encourages violence has probably existed in the US since is foundation. Your entire cultural fascination with violently overthrowing your government is a terrorist if BLM is.

According to the British the sons of liberty were terrorists. Luckily for them, they won.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Chief Brown already said one of the suspects said they were not related to any groups. So your rebuttal was dead wrong anyways.

Same suspects who were described as "uncooperative" and we have no particular reason to trust the word as if it was God's one?
And well, the dear little Djihadi who beheaded one man last year near my hometown and planned to bomb some more also said he wasn't doing it for religious reasons. At first.

And don't try to walk away from this one that easily. Why exactly your own conjecture should be took more seriously than anyone else? Don't take it bad, bro, but since it's also supported by "nothing but hot air", as you said yourself, I don't really see why I or anyone else who don't believe the same as you should take it more seriously in the light of some words said by the alleged suspect of a cops murder mere hours after his arrestation.

Well, I've argued the opposite point, but I am standing on a very skeptical angle about this.

While I might think you're right, I am waiting on reports to arrive before coming at any conclusions on my own and talk strongly about the point. Unlike yourself who's coming out swinging with bullshit.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Must've missed it.

But if this was the case, then it seems like, indeed, the rhetoric of BLM in other sectors of the country may have had to do with this and the protest yesterday was a hell of a convenient opportunity for these guys.

The fact that they're not affiliated to any groups points that these guys were lone wolves just wanting an excuse to kill cops.

Yep Chief Brown just says "he expressed killing white officers"

Just heard it. And I do agree with chief Brown that what they said makes no sense as to why they would do this. I mean, it's a reasonable answer, it's just not what you would expect from a mass shooting like this one.

[Cabana]

Yep Chief Brown just says "he expressed killing white officers"

Just heard it. And I do agree with chief Brown that what they said makes no sense as to why they would do this. I mean, it's a reasonable answer, it's just not what you would expect from a mass shooting like this one.

Ditto, I'm thinking he may have had other problems and used the BLM thing as a cover

[Ifreann]

It has everything to do with your criticism of the BLM protest movement. If they are a terrorist group because they have, as you say, created an environment that encourages violence, then everyone who's ever talked about "Second Amendment solutions" is too. An environment that encourages violence has probably existed in the US since is foundation. Your entire cultural fascination with violently overthrowing your government is a terrorist if BLM is.

According to the British the sons of liberty were terrorists. Luckily for them, they won.

If you're not going to respond to my post it's easier to just not post than to post something totally irrelevant.

[Aelex]

Well, I've argued the opposite point, but I am standing on a very skeptical angle about this.

While I might think you're right, I am waiting on reports to arrive before coming at any conclusions on my own and talk strongly about the point. Unlike yourself who's coming out swinging with bullshit.

Ho, well. Good to see you've at least came to your senses!

As of your second point, it feels kinda ironic given that you did come swinging out bullshit about how it was IMPOSSIBLE that the shooters were in any way related to B.L.M, however, since you backpedalled out of this position now, I suppose I can let you go with it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Just heard it. And I do agree with chief Brown that what they said makes no sense as to why they would do this. I mean, it's a reasonable answer, it's just not what you would expect from a mass shooting like this one.

Ditto, I'm thinking he may have had other problems and used the BLM thing as a cover

That'd very well be it. But then that doesn't explain why four shooters.

Well, actually, it does, kinda. But I'll wait for more information as it arrives on the other two suspects.

[The East Marches]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, I've argued the opposite point, but I am standing on a very skeptical angle about this.

While I might think you're right, I am waiting on reports to arrive before coming at any conclusions on my own and talk strongly about the point. Unlike yourself who's coming out swinging with bullshit.

Ho, well. Good to see you've at least came to your senses!

As of your second point, it feels kinda ironic given that you did come swinging out bullshit about how it was IMPOSSIBLE that the shooters were in any way related to B.L.M, however, since you backpedalled out of this position now, I suppose I can let you go with it.

Well, sure, but we both have nothing but oncoming reports right now as to what the issue is.

As much as I could be right, so could you. As it appears right now it seems this was some kind of lone wolf operation driven by hatred of cops. Which doesn't make sense to me because I can't relate to what kind of hatred would make someone hijack a peaceful protest, even though their answers were coherent enough.

[Aelex]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

But mate, as everyone know, racism = prejudice + power and since a gun totally don't weld any power over anyone and they're black thus subject to institutionalized discrimination, they can't be racist!

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

I don't know so much as a hate crime, but the possibility is there.

[Cymrea]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

I don't know so much as a hate crime, but the possibility is there.

I would argue that committing crimes with the intent of harming a specific race or colour is a hate crime, even against white folks.

[Minzerland]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

Probably will, assuming those were his actual intentions, it fits the definition like a glove.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I don't know so much as a hate crime, but the possibility is there.

I would argue that committing crimes with the intent of harming a specific race or colour is a hate crime, even against white folks.

No, I mean, I don't know if Chief Brown would categorize it as such, not that it wasn't.

They may decide to convict them under something else other than a hate crime, given how severe this was and how it was targeted at them.

[Community Values]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

Probably will, assuming those were his actual intentions, it fits the definition like a glove.

Knowing this government, the glove will have to be fit on OJ Simpson's hand.

[Minzerland]

Probably will, assuming those were his actual intentions, it fits the definition like a glove.

Knowing this government, the glove will have to be fit on OJ Simpson's hand.

Ayyy...

[Arumdaum]

The deaths are unfortunate.

http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/mistaken- ... es-ordeal/

Wow, though. Great that he gave up his gun to police - he could have been killed so easily.

[Aelex]

Well, sure, but we both have nothing but oncoming reports right now as to what the issue is.

As much as I could be right, so could you. As it appears right now it seems this was some kind of lone wolf operation driven by hatred of cops. Which doesn't make sense to me because I can't relate to what kind of hatred would make someone hijack a peaceful protest, even though their answers were coherent enough.

I suppose I'm just way more cynical than you on this one. I won't lie, I also thought it was possible that it was some far-right guy who just went to kill some people to discredit BLM, but well from the lasts evidences we got out of the conference, there was no conspiracy this time it seems.

[Cymrea]

I would argue that committing crimes with the intent of harming a specific race or colour is a hate crime, even against white folks.

No, I mean, I don't know if Chief Brown would categorize it as such, not that it wasn't.

They may decide to convict them under something else other than a hate crime, given how severe this was and how it was targeted at them.

Ah, understood. And agreed.

[Ifreann]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

But mate, as everyone know, racism = prejudice + power and since a gun totally don't weld any power over anyone and they're black thus subject to institutionalized discrimination, they can't be racist!

A hate crime doesn't have to be racist, though.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

It won't. What the general populace means with 'hate crime' and what, in actual legal terms, constitutes a 'hate crime', is very different. A hate crime, legally, is a criminalised insult of an entire group of people, whether that be a majority or a minority. If I, for instance, were to claim that all black people are lazy good-for-nothings (which I am not, fyi), I would be committing a hate crime. If I were to kill a black man for being black, that would be murder (or manslaughter, depending on my level of preparation). Of course, whether it is a hate crime in the general sense of the word is to be debated, but no judge would sentence a murderer for 'hate crimes', as those people would go free with a fine or a very short jail sentence.


PS: Because of this, the fallacy of equivocation is rampant among the debate surrounding hate crime in the legal sense, with is one giant non-debate to begin with.

[The East Marches]

I wonder if this will be counted as a hate crime. That ought to be interesting.

It won't. What the general populace means with 'hate crime' and what, in actual legal terms, constitutes a 'hate crime', is very different. A hate crime, legally, is a criminalised insult of an entire group of people, whether that be a majority or a minority. If I, for instance, were to claim that all black people are lazy good-for-nothings (which I am not, fyi), I would be committing a hate crime. If I were to kill a black man for being black, that would be murder (or manslaughter, depending on my level of preparation). Of course, whether it is a hate crime in the general sense of the word is to be debated, but no judge would sentence a murderer for 'hate crimes', as those people would go free with a fine or a very short jail sentence.

I'm fairly certain that if your crime was found to be motivated by hate, they sentence you to even more time in jail or it ups whatever the charge of murder you get. If I am wrong, another person please correct me.