Two Police Shot in Dallas

[MERIZoC]

Latest - person of interest is the brother of a man who spoke at the rally. His brother reportedly gave his gun over to an officer to avoid being mistaken for one of the two gunmen who opened fire after the march, on his recommendation.

This is the one in the picture?

[Christian Democrats]

Yeah, because everybody goes to a demonstration dressed in camouflage with a rifle strapped to his person . . .

Dallas has open carry laws. He may have simply been making a point regarding his ability to defend himself. Or is presumption of innocence only extended to white people who carry guns?

I extend a presumption of innocence to everyone during a trial.

During an active shooter situation, abductive reasoning is the logic one should employ.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

[Minzerland]

I'm not into the, 'lets shoot people for retribution'.

Maybe not, but you might be into retributive justice. Different expressions of the same paradigm, innit?

Yes. But one is killing innocent officers for something they had no involvement in; and the other is not killing innocent officers.

[ZeroLabs Experimental Community]

Latest - person of interest is the brother of a man who spoke at the rally. His brother reportedly gave his gun over to an officer to avoid being mistaken for one of the two gunmen who opened fire after the march, on his recommendation.

Damn it. I was hoping deep down the shootings were not related to the rally at all. Probably naïve to think that though.

[Aquitayne]

Latest - person of interest is the brother of a man who spoke at the rally. His brother reportedly gave his gun over to an officer to avoid being mistaken for one of the two gunmen who opened fire after the march, on his recommendation.

Is the "brother" said person of interest?

Yes, the brother of the caller is the person of interest. It was the caller who recommended he hand over his gun, and he claims that the POI did.

EDIT: The caller also claimed the POI was at home but didn't have his phone on him/doesn't have one and was thus unreachable.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This is going to turn into a siege.

I'm already expecting it.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Latest - person of interest is the brother of a man who spoke at the rally. His brother reportedly gave his gun over to an officer to avoid being mistaken for one of the two gunmen who opened fire after the march, on his recommendation.

This is the one in the picture?

Yes - the one in the picture. His brother is trying to get in touch with him, and get police in touch with him to confirm that he is not involved in the shooting, and gave his gun over to an officer on site to avoid being mistaken for one of the shooters.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The various movements of the 1960s caused enormous advances for black people, even if they didn't quite achieve full equality. The proof, as they say, is in the pudding. The crackdowns in the 80s were the result of an ill-advised drug war that was ramped up when First Lady Nancy Reagan was advised to pick a cause to focus on in order to distract the public from a couple of ill-advised moves at the beginning of her husband's first term in office.

Black power was a movement of the 1970s, and the progress being made by the civil rights movement basically came to a stop. MLK was murdered; and radicals were left to lead the effort for racial equality, which quickly disintegrated (but, thankfully, did not reverse).

It was a movement of both decades, and the progress did not come to a stop. Your understanding of the history of civil rights movements in the United States is somewhat limited, and your analysis of what happened and when is simplistic and reductive. Radicals were not the only ones left after King died: Ralph Abernathy, Jesse Jackson, John Lewis, and many others continued with their earlier work. The destruction of the what you call "radicals" was due to a number of factors, not the least of which was a successful COINTELPRO series of operations carried out against them by the FBI.

[Italios]

From CNN:

"[Breaking news update 12:05 a.m. ET]
Police have cornered a suspect in a commercial garage after the shootings of 11 police officers near the end of a protest in Dallas over shootings by police of black men in Louisiana and Minnesota, police Chief David Brown told reporters. The chief said at least two snipers in elevated positions fired "ambush style" on the officers. "Some (were) shot in the back." There also is a search for a possible bomb in the area, Brown said. "This is a very emotional time for our department and the law enforcement community across the country," Brown said. Officials asked the public's help in identifying suspects."

[Soldati Senza Confini]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

El Centro College. That's where I go to school for.

It actually happened on the building opposite to it - the Bank of America tower, based on the audio.

[Torisakia]

Apparently a fourth officer has been killed via word from DPD.

Apparently the saying "two wrongs don't make a right" means nothing anymore. And just when I wanted to start becoming optimistic.

lol it never meant anything
like ever

Then why was it ever created? Philosophy has lied to me.

[ZeroLabs Experimental Community]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

How many shooters are there? This is absolutely insane to the point of terrorist attack.

If I wake up tomorrow to BLM supporting these shooters they better be AT LEAST labeled as a hate group. I'm going to hope that these shooters acted on their own, which is sadly getting harder to believe with the connections found between the shooter in custody and one of the people who spoke at the rally.

[Atlanticatia]

Latest - person of interest is the brother of a man who spoke at the rally. His brother reportedly gave his gun over to an officer to avoid being mistaken for one of the two gunmen who opened fire after the march, on his recommendation.

Damn it. I was hoping deep down the shootings were not related to the rally at all. Probably naïve to think that though.

Even if they turn out to be, which we do not know at this point, this should have no effect on the Black Lives Matter movement, the importance of protesting the police, the importance of being angry at police, and the fact that police are killing people of color and there is massive injustice in the system. This should change nothing if it is true.

[Aquitayne]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

How many shooters are there? This is absolutely insane to the point of terrorist attack.

If I wake up tomorrow to BLM supporting these shooters they better be AT LEAST labeled as a hate group. I'm going to hope that these shooters acted on their own, which is sadly getting harder to believe with the connections found between the shooter in custody and one of the people who spoke at the rally.

There were 2 shooters firing from elevated positions.

[San Lumen]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

do you have proof of that? I haven't heard anything about that.

[Unified Governments]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/us/philando-castile-alton-sterling-reaction/index.html

3 cops dead, 7 wounded

[Soldati Senza Confini]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

How many shooters are there? This is absolutely insane to the point of terrorist attack.

If I wake up tomorrow to BLM supporting these shooters they better be AT LEAST labeled as a hate group. I'm going to hope that these shooters acted on their own, which is sadly getting harder to believe with the connections found between the shooter in custody and one of the people who spoke at the rally.

The Dallas BLM protestors are condemning the attack. Many of them did right as they got to safety.

[Aquitayne]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

do you have proof of that? I haven't heard anything about that.

It's on Fox 4 and Dallas NBC has a reporter in the area crouched behind a wall that called in.

[San Lumen]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

How many shooters are there? This is absolutely insane to the point of terrorist attack.

If I wake up tomorrow to BLM supporting these shooters they better be AT LEAST labeled as a hate group. I'm going to hope that these shooters acted on their own, which is sadly getting harder to believe with the connections found between the shooter in custody and one of the people who spoke at the rally.

BLM isn't going to support the killing of police officers. No reasonable person would.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

More shots fired in another area - Central College? There's a chopper circling an active area as well ... jebus. This is just getting crazy.

How many shooters are there? This is absolutely insane to the point of terrorist attack.

If I wake up tomorrow to BLM supporting these shooters they better be AT LEAST labeled as a hate group. I'm going to hope that these shooters acted on their own, which is sadly getting harder to believe with the connections found between the shooter in custody and one of the people who spoke at the rally.

http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Protes ... 84431.html

Follow along.

They believe, at last I'd heard reported, that they had 2 suspected of opening fire. The picture released was a 'person of interest', as has since been claimed by his brother as not having been involved in the shooting.

[Ifreann]

Dallas has open carry laws. He may have simply been making a point regarding his ability to defend himself. Or is presumption of innocence only extended to white people who carry guns?

I extend a presumption of innocence to everyone during a trial.

During an active shooter situation, abductive reasoning is the logic one should employ.

But you're not in an active shooter situation. You're sitting at a computer.

[Frenline Delpha]

Well, this is something... Umm, yeah...

[Costa Fierro]

I think it's likely that whoever these people are, they have professional training, either as police or military.

Wouldn't surprise me. A lot of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have turned to anti-establishment groups like militias for...well disillusionment really. I would not be surprised if this was a militia group exploiting recent events to advance their own agendas by targeting police or other symbols of the state.

[Divitaen]

Fine, the police dying is very tragic, but what about the deaths of African-Americans all across America? Its open season on African-American men by policemen who think they are above the law. What else did the police expect from continuing their actions of endless police brutality? What did they think they were getting into when they allowed and energised and stoked and created a culture where Black Lives don't matter anymore to their servicemen? Freddie Gray? Tamir Rice? John Crawford? Lacquan MacDonald? And now: Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.

What's wrong with you guys?? Let's not focus on just mourning the deaths of two policemen, their deaths are merely the symptom of a much wider and bigger disease: America has a race problem. America has a racial profiling problem. America needs to reign in and retrain the police force, put severe regulations on them and the grand jury process and fundamentally overhaul the way race-based police violence is talked about, in the media and in society. Otherwise the endless trail of blood is going to continue, on and on, and it won't be very long until another unarmed African-American is shot dead by the police.

This is a problem that is long overdue. Why not focus the conversation on the genocide against African-Americans instead.