Legally Armed Black Motorist Shot Dead By Police

[Costa Fierro]

Anyone else think the cop in the video after he fired the shots sounds like he's on the verge of some sort of mental breakdown? Like we are some serious fear in that man's voice.

That is what ms Reynolds had said. She said the cop was confused and crying.

I wonder if the man realized what he had done afterwards and was trying to comprehend the consequences?

[Katganistan]

It just confirms that the right to bear arms does not apply to black men. Rather, it becomes a capital crime for them to even legally carry.

Oh please fuck off with that race baiting bullshit. Black men that have CCW licenses have been pulled over in the past and were not killed. This incident is evidently the cause of wrongful procedure on the side of the officer, which I assume is due to lack of experience with the situation.

*** Warned for flaming ***

[Ethel mermania]

That is what ms Reynolds had said. She said the cop was confused and crying.

I wonder if the man realized what he had done afterwards and was trying to comprehend the consequences?

Much like with Peter lliang in nyc, it would have been nice if he would have tried to stop the bleeding instead of crying.. we do need better training and screening for our PD's.

[Tobiasia]

That's horrible... And I wonder who's going to try and actually defend the cop in this case...

No doubt the police department will call in a fancy expensive lawyer and he will be let off Scott free.

It's horrific when people are murdered for no reason, it's even more disgusting when the murderer is let off. It's injustice plain and simple. And it is horrific.

[Occupied Deutschland]

So the NRA commented. A little...

I have to say I'm not exactly impressed with how vague and milquetoast it is, even as I can agree with the general sentiment of not jumping to conclusions (something which happens all too often in these kinds of cases), but I really wish there had been...More to this and that it was more specific and--perhaps not 'inflammatory' per se, but I wish there had been a little more fire in the response. Wish they'd specifically mentioned Castile...

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say I expected better. Much happier with the Second Amendment Foundation's response from yesterday.

[Washington Resistance Army]

So the NRA commented. A little...

I have to say I'm not exactly impressed with how vague and milquetoast it is, even as I can agree with the general sentiment of not jumping to conclusions (something which happens all too often in these kinds of cases), but I really wish there had been...More to this and that it was more specific and--perhaps not 'inflammatory' per se, but I wish there had been a little more fire in the response. Wish they'd specifically mentioned Castile...

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say I expected better. Much happier with the Second Amendment Foundation's response from yesterday.

2AF and GOA always do it better.

[Gauthier]

So the NRA commented. A little...

I have to say I'm not exactly impressed with how vague and milquetoast it is, even as I can agree with the general sentiment of not jumping to conclusions (something which happens all too often in these kinds of cases), but I really wish there had been...More to this and that it was more specific and--perhaps not 'inflammatory' per se, but I wish there had been a little more fire in the response. Wish they'd specifically mentioned Castile...

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say I expected better. Much happier with the Second Amendment Foundation's response from yesterday.

Why the NRA took so long to comment on the Philando Castile police shooting

[Aclion]

That's horrible... And I wonder who's going to try and actually defend the cop in this case...

Anti gun people and racists But I repeat myself.

Oh and the local prosecutor, can't forget him.

Why the NRA took so long to comment on the Philando Castile police shooting

NRA's always slower then other organizations to comment on stuff, usally limiting themselves to "can we please not all jump on this until the facts are out"

[Imperializt Russia]

Why the NRA took so long to comment on the Philando Castile police shooting

NRA's always slower then other organizations to comment on stuff, usally limiting themselves to "can we please not all jump on this until the facts are out"

[Big Jim P]

So the NRA commented. A little...

I have to say I'm not exactly impressed with how vague and milquetoast it is, even as I can agree with the general sentiment of not jumping to conclusions (something which happens all too often in these kinds of cases), but I really wish there had been...More to this and that it was more specific and--perhaps not 'inflammatory' per se, but I wish there had been a little more fire in the response. Wish they'd specifically mentioned Castile...

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say I expected better. Much happier with the Second Amendment Foundation's response from yesterday.

2AF and GOA always do it better.

That is why I joined them. I joined the NRA for its focus on safety programs.

[KittenEmpire]

That needs to start with communities being able to trust police, which needs to start with police not killing innocent civilians.

I think it's more complicated than that. It's a big circle where, not to generalize, but it's a hard time for anyone to trust anyone. Statistically speaking, if you are a police officer, there is more of a chance you'll get shot to death on the line of duty then being shot and killed by the police regardless of your race. Everyone is paranoid. The surge of anti-police on social media and the fear-mongers who insist the police are specifically after black people are not helping anyone on either side. Budget cuts in police departments are not helping either. People like Obama and Mark Dayton are certainly not helping anyone. I also find it odd social media only seem to care about police killing innocent people when the victims are black. Regardless, it's all just one giant shit show.

But regarding the video, I believe the officer should be charged with manslaughter. The way the officer was freaking the fuck out and still had his gun pointed at the guy was pretty damn odd. He seemed pretty unstable.

[Arkinesia]

So the NRA commented. A little...

I have to say I'm not exactly impressed with how vague and milquetoast it is, even as I can agree with the general sentiment of not jumping to conclusions (something which happens all too often in these kinds of cases), but I really wish there had been...More to this and that it was more specific and--perhaps not 'inflammatory' per se, but I wish there had been a little more fire in the response. Wish they'd specifically mentioned Castile...

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say I expected better. Much happier with the Second Amendment Foundation's response from yesterday.

The NRA is a fucking joke and has been for years. People are just now in the wake of this shooting figuring that out.

The NRA has always been a white identity group masquerading as a gun rights group. They do not care about you if you are not white or if you are shot by police. Reminds me of that Marine in Arizona who was killed by SWAT when his house was mistakenly raided, because he responded with an AR-15 (which had the safety on, incidentally…), a case in which the NRA was dead silent.

However, I'd like to speak to a wider problem, re: police and the public.

I am discovering, as the Washington Post, the New York Times, etc. publish a stream of articles—I am privileged by my place of residence. I don't mean the US. I mean South Carolina.

In this state, all law enforcement officers are required by law to fill out at least one form in every stop they make of any person, whether on foot or in a vehicle. That form is referred to as a “notice of contact.” The officer keeps a copy (which is submitted to superior officers) and gives a copy to the individual he stops.

The notice of contact is a simple form. On it, the officer checks one box in each category, one for sex, one for ethnicity, and one for the type of stop (vehicle or foot).

Apparently, this isn't normal? Like, other states don't do this? Why not?

Officers who stop an inordinate amount of people of any sex or ethnicity are subject to disciplinary action as well as heavy scrutiny in performance reviews. This measure alone would work wonders for areas such as suburban St. Louis. The fact that a heavily Republican state voted to bring this program into force (this being about ten years ago) should be pretty instructive as to whether or not it's politically viable.

In this state in the past three years, we've had two officer-involved shootings that became a big deal, one in Columbia and one in North Charleston…both officers are sitting in prison now. Both were convicted of murder in various degrees.

It's getting confusing at this point, to me—I thought Northern states were supposed to be better at this? Reality doesn't seem to bear that out, though.

[Continuous Creative Cessation]

Aftermath of fatal Falcon Heights officer-involved shooting captured on video

Not even a week has passed since the fatal shooting of Alton Sterling in Louisiana and already another police killing of a black man has hit nationwide awareness.

How many people purchased guns in that time? America is full of them in public and that creates danger.

32-year old Philando Castile was pulled over with his girlfriend and their daughter near Falcon Heights in Minnesota by police. Cops asked him for license registration, and according to his girlfriend Castile told police he was licensed to carry a gun and was reaching for his wallet

Was the gun near the wallet? If so, it is a very stupid move. Who would want to trust their reflexes on whom can shoot first, let alone considering accuracy to make someone with a gun in their hands drop it.
Even if the girlfried (bias viewpoint right there) is correct, the cops cant know a persons intent when reaching towards a firearm.

when police shot him in the arm 4 to 5 times.

Would it be better if the cop only shot once, didnt kill him right then and was then shot back causing two dead bodies?

She recorded the aftermath of the shooting and Castile later died.

The girlfriend said on the video that the officer “asked him for license and registration. He told him that it was in his wallet, but he had a pistol on him because he’s licensed to carry. The officer said don’t move. As he was putting his hands back up, the officer shot him in the arm four or five times.”

Again, according to the girlfriend.

The video shows a uniformed police officer holding a pistol on the couple from outside the car. The officer can be heard to say, “I told him not to reach for it. I told him to get his hand out.”

Of course the gun is still out. There is a gun currently in the car and a person.
And the officer saying that could easily be doing it out of stress. Note the officers claim right there. A person was reaching towards a gun.

What's going to be sad is you know there are going to be people who reflexively insist that the shooting was justified because Violent Nigger Had It Coming. Far as we know so far Castile did not have a criminal record like Alton Sterling and he was not in a struggle with police, rather sitting in the driver's seat and supposedly reaching for his license and registration as ordered to by police after warning them he was legally carrying. It just confirms that the right to bear arms does not apply to black men. Rather, it becomes a capital crime for them to even legally carry.

No what is sad is that people are going to be looking at this as a case of racism without knowing the facts. What is sad is that people dont know what to do if they have a gun near by and what is sad is that many police have been two relaxed whilst someone had a gun near them and never made it home to their families.
Its a foolish move to reach anywhere near your gun if the police are near. They cant even finish a sentence in the time it would take for you to point the gun at them and shoot.

[Continuous Creative Cessation]

That needs to start with communities being able to trust police, which needs to start with police not killing innocent civilians.

I think it's more complicated than that. It's a big circle where, not to generalize, but it's a hard time for anyone to trust anyone. Statistically speaking, if you are a police officer, there is more of a chance you'll get shot to death on the line of duty then being shot and killed by the police regardless of your race. Everyone is paranoid. The surge of anti-police on social media and the fear-mongers who insist the police are specifically after black people are not helping anyone on either side. Budget cuts in police departments are not helping either. People like Obama and Mark Dayton are certainly not helping anyone. I also find it odd social media only seem to care about police killing innocent people when the victims are black. Regardless, it's all just one giant shit show.

But regarding the video, I believe the officer should be charged with manslaughter. The way the officer was freaking the fuck out and still had his gun pointed at the guy was pretty damn odd. He seemed pretty unstable.

Does anyone know the chance of a police officer dying at work? Im sure its much higher than the chance of people they pull over being killed by police.
A gun can be fired by anyone. A cop does not have time to verify if the gun can be fired, nor have a conversation with someone reaching for a gun.
What about the officers life? Many police have died doing their job and protests dont occur.

The other video I saw lately was a person being shot on their back. Originally it seemed horrible. Then I heard a gun was in the guys pocket and he had his hand down there whilst on the ground. A cop is risking their life and that of their partners if they try and wrestle the gun free.

If you decide to carry a gun (whether licensed or not) and get confronted, here is a big suggestion. DONT REACH NEAR IT.

[Roski]

So the NRA commented. A little...

I have to say I'm not exactly impressed with how vague and milquetoast it is, even as I can agree with the general sentiment of not jumping to conclusions (something which happens all too often in these kinds of cases), but I really wish there had been...More to this and that it was more specific and--perhaps not 'inflammatory' per se, but I wish there had been a little more fire in the response. Wish they'd specifically mentioned Castile...

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and say I expected better. Much happier with the Second Amendment Foundation's response from yesterday.

Why the NRA took so long to comment on the Philando Castile police shooting

nice going there thinking vox isn't biased.

[Costa Fierro]

I am discovering, as the Washington Post, the New York Times, etc. publish a stream of articles—I am privileged by my place of residence. I don't mean the US. I mean South Carolina.

In this state, all law enforcement officers are required by law to fill out at least one form in every stop they make of any person, whether on foot or in a vehicle. That form is referred to as a “notice of contact.” The officer keeps a copy (which is submitted to superior officers) and gives a copy to the individual he stops.

The notice of contact is a simple form. On it, the officer checks one box in each category, one for sex, one for ethnicity, and one for the type of stop (vehicle or foot).

That's interesting.

Apparently, this isn't normal? Like, other states don't do this? Why not?

I guess perhaps other states wouldn't want to have additional paperwork filed every time a traffic stop was made. I'm not even sure the police where I live do this.

We have something here called the Independent Police Conduct Authority that handles complaints laid against the police. One of their aspects is that they review police shootings, and it isn't often that police shoot and kill people here (I think during 2015, there were three deaths I can remember). In addition, I have (through anecdotal evidence on Reddit) become aware that since officers have been armed with tasers, officers must complete paperwork when said taser is unholstered.

With all this talk of race and racism and "who is the most oppressed", a lot of people are missing the point. It's not so much the racism in police conduct in the United States that is the main problem, it's the lack of accountability. If the police were not allowed to get away with as much as they do now in terms of abuses, only then could we start to see some changes in how police behave. It's also the culture around policing that needs to change as well. Again, anecdotal evidence but one American who came here was surprised to learn that police here are not as confrontational as they are in the United States, in that situations where guns would be drawn or people tasered wouldn't have the same response here.

[Roski]

I think it's more complicated than that. It's a big circle where, not to generalize, but it's a hard time for anyone to trust anyone. Statistically speaking, if you are a police officer, there is more of a chance you'll get shot to death on the line of duty then being shot and killed by the police regardless of your race. Everyone is paranoid. The surge of anti-police on social media and the fear-mongers who insist the police are specifically after black people are not helping anyone on either side. Budget cuts in police departments are not helping either. People like Obama and Mark Dayton are certainly not helping anyone. I also find it odd social media only seem to care about police killing innocent people when the victims are black. Regardless, it's all just one giant shit show.

But regarding the video, I believe the officer should be charged with manslaughter. The way the officer was freaking the fuck out and still had his gun pointed at the guy was pretty damn odd. He seemed pretty unstable.

Does anyone know the chance of a police officer dying at work? Im sure its much higher than the chance of people they pull over being killed by police.
A gun can be fired by anyone. A cop does not have time to verify if the gun can be fired, nor have a conversation with someone reaching for a gun.
What about the officers life? Many police have died doing their job and protests dont occur.

The other video I saw lately was a person being shot on their back. Originally it seemed horrible. Then I heard a gun was in the guys pocket and he had his hand down there whilst on the ground. A cop is risking their life and that of their partners if they try and wrestle the gun free.

If you decide to carry a gun (whether licensed or not) and get confronted, here is a big suggestion. DONT REACH NEAR IT.

84 police officers were killed in 2015.

There are 740,000 police officers (with arresting power), leaving just over .01% dying.

There were 391 killings by police officers in 2015. In terms of population, its still low, and overall, the amount of people killed in law enforcement incidents are completely irrelevant to the US population from a statistical standpoint.

Its still 7.2 per 1,000,000 for blacks, which is more than double the next (3.5 per 1 million for hispanics)

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

When (or rather if) the officer goes to court, he will be cleared of all charges by an all-white jury, citing that "he acted in self-defense" and "did the right thing." Afterwards, said jury would rise up, raise their right arm in the air and shout "WHITE POWER!!"

Given how police are usually let off the hook for killing "dem ebul niggurz," it's a wonder how this hypothetical court process isn't a widespread thing.

[Arkinesia]

I guess perhaps other states wouldn't want to have additional paperwork filed every time a traffic stop was made.

Not being sarcastic to you so much as those state governments, but—so you'd rather, instead of officers doing paperwork, that you have a riot every time a black man is shot by a cop?

Just seems completely absurd to me. When we had black men shot by police officers here, people didn't lose their fucking minds in the same way. North Charleston and Columbia didn't get shut down by riots. Not because of some other racial animus so much as minority communities here knew instinctively that justice would be served. It was not questioned. It was a given.

It's really simple, the solution. If the police unions don't like it, tell them to eat shit.

[Roski]

the body cameras are more simple.

[Dragonia Re Xzua]

the body cameras are more simple.

But body cameras would get in the way of the officer's efforts at killing dem ebul blacks laying down Da Law.

[Nazeroth]

" I have a gun" shouldn't not be a legal means to kill somebody, based on the 2nd amendment. There should be nothing illegal or terrifying about someone saying that.

[Arkinesia]

the body cameras are more simple.

South Carolina was one of the first states to jump on the federal grant program for them. In my area, Greenville City, Greenville County, and Greer at least all use them. SCHP will be required to wear them with potential penalty for failure to record or failure to wear them by next year.

[Big Jim P]

" I have a gun" shouldn't not be a legal means to kill somebody, based on the 2nd amendment. There should be nothing illegal or terrifying about someone saying that.

Or actually having a gun.

[Roski]

the body cameras are more simple.

South Carolina was one of the first states to jump on the federal grant program for them. In my area, Greenville City, Greenville County, and Greer at least all use them. SCHP will be required to wear them with potential penalty for failure to record or failure to wear them by next year.

Its a good idea. Its helpful to both sides bc if wrongdoing is recorded there is proof, and if nothing was wrong, there's proof.