Discussing the Rudolf Hess Punishment after WWII

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In the years after the war he was still given deferential treatment (could refuse to do labor he felt "beneath him")'and was the prima donna of the Spandau Seven, feigned illnesses or not.

Compared to the average prisoner the Nazis or the Japanese put in labor / death camps, Hess was stowed in the goddamn Hyatt Regency.

The conditions in Nazi camps are part of what got Nazis sent to Spandau in the first place. Saying the conditions were better than Nazi camps doesn't prove they were humane. Speer got 20 years, Sauckel got executed, and a bunch of SS guys got executed or sent to prison for the conditions in the Nazi camps. That's not a useful standard.

If we're trying to grade a metric for what constitutes torture in prison, getting to live in a spacious converted chapel behind an unlocked door one can freely depart when one is not taking advantage of the concierge food service and built in coffee maker vs. fighting fellow prisoners over a rat to eat....

Hess never had a clue what torture in prison felt like. The idea that Hess was "tortured" is a farce, except it isn't funny, but rather patently offensive.

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The conditions in Nazi camps are part of what got Nazis sent to Spandau in the first place. Saying the conditions were better than Nazi camps doesn't prove they were humane. Speer got 20 years, Sauckel got executed, and a bunch of SS guys got executed or sent to prison for the conditions in the Nazi camps. That's not a useful standard.

If we're trying to grade a metric for what constitutes torture in prison, getting to live in a spacious converted chapel behind an unlocked door one can freely depart when one is not taking advantage of the concierge food service and built in coffee maker vs. fighting fellow prisoners over a rat to eat....

Hess never had a clue what torture in prison felt like. The idea that Hess was "tortured" is a farce, except it isn't funny, but rather patently offensive.

For the first several years, Hess was not living in a converted chapel, his cell door was not left unlocked, food was strictly regulated, and the coffee maker wasn't there. I haven't actually stated a position on whether the conditions at Spandau qualify as "torture." I am simply pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of talking about the more lenient conditions in the last years of Hess' imprisonment as if that's what the whole thing was like.

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If we're trying to grade a metric for what constitutes torture in prison, getting to live in a spacious converted chapel behind an unlocked door one can freely depart when one is not taking advantage of the concierge food service and built in coffee maker vs. fighting fellow prisoners over a rat to eat....

Hess never had a clue what torture in prison felt like. The idea that Hess was "tortured" is a farce, except it isn't funny, but rather patently offensive.

For the first several years, Hess was not living in a converted chapel, his cell door was not left unlocked, food was strictly regulated, and the coffee maker wasn't there. I haven't actually stated a position on whether the conditions at Spandau qualify as "torture." I am simply pointing out the intellectual dishonesty of talking about the more lenient conditions in the last years of Hess' imprisonment as if that's what the whole thing was like.

Ah yes, the more harsh years when all the other prisoners resented him because he got to refuse to do menial labor.