Are racism, sexism, and homophobia form of psychopathology?

[Greater Americania]

They are using criteria similar to those applied to the 10 personality disorders described in the
DSM–IV–TR. And those are established through empirical data, not thru ideology.

I just skimmed through your entire criteria. It's all "they hold these ideals", which is entirely ideological. I repeat that this notion is ridiculous. The fact that people are advocating this is similar to certain governments sending political opponents to asylums. You're just trying to eliminate your political opposition by saying that anyone that disagrees with the equality of everyone is medically ill in the head.

Nope

Yeah, because racism, sexism, anti-gay sentiments, and sense of self or group superiority over other individuals or groups have been relatively non-existent throughout human history.

Altho some cultures may be psychopathological. Eg: Nazi Germany.

The idea of equality deviates from the expectations of certain cultures. Perhaps in these cultures this "Leftist Personality Disorder" is plausible? You're just trying to silence your political opponents.

[Greater Americania]

Thats not what I said. Try again.

Nice copy of my argumentative phrases. Excellent display of creativity. Also, it is in fact what you implied by bringing up anti-social personality disorder in the first place.

[Greater Americania]

This just reminded me of Michael Savage's Liberalism is a Mental Disorder.

[Jello Biafra]

Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.

Phobia means 'fear of and/or aversion to'. Disgust is aversion, so 'phobia' is an accurate word to use.

[Chumblywumbly]

Phobia means 'fear of and/or aversion to'.

Do we not usually take it to mean irrational fear, though?

[The Rich Port]

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Does intolerance make sense?[/quote]

I would call it psychopathology, but it is more along the lines of psychological trauma. I dunno, I'm just starting out being a Psych student... freakin' underclass year sucks.

[Korintar]

I guess this (IPD) is a possible explanation, or that such behavior may belie a deeper issue. However, when dealing with issues of intolerance, I think environmental factors and experiences play a major role, and depending on their nature, that they would require different treatments. For example, bigotry brought on by upbringing (ie being taught by one's parents that blacks are inferior) would need different treatment than bigotry brought on by experiences (ie a certain individual has met several LGBTQ individuals and had negative experiences with at least eight out of ten of them, and thus bases their view of non-heterosexuals on those experiences). How do you treat these two kinds of scenarios? It is not always out of ignorance that one may be intolerant, but it may be based all on they have learned from actually working with groups that they are intolerant towards, without prior exposure to ways of thinking that would predispose them towards such intolerance.

[Jello Biafra]

Phobia means 'fear of and/or aversion to'.

Do we not usually take it to mean irrational fear, though?

Yes; Central Slavia uses the word 'pathologically' in his sentence; I meant for the definition I gave to begin after that.

[Central Slavia]

Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.

Phobia means 'fear of and/or aversion to'. Disgust is aversion, so 'phobia' is an accurate word to use.

I believe most then suffer from coprophobia, kleptophobia and so on

[Jello Biafra]

Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.

Phobia means 'fear of and/or aversion to'. Disgust is aversion, so 'phobia' is an accurate word to use.

I believe most then suffer from coprophobia, kleptophobia and so on

Are these phobias pathological?

[Nova Magna Germania]

It's radical leftism to run around declaring those who don't agree with the concept of absolute equality mentally ill. There's my two cents. No, they're not. They're just beliefs held by people, just like any other belief.

Well, people with anti social personality disorder always claim that there is nothing wrong as well.

No, On the czech UNIX forums, there is a guy with nick BLEK. (with the dot - it has thwarted many a lame impersonator) which except if talking about technical stuff (seems to be a leet programmer) bitches about how he has a schizoid personality disorder which prevents him from attracting women)
OK not bitching. He just blatantly states it.
It is a bit of folklore there

Fascinating. Are they also bunch of homophobes like yourself?

I never inquired into that, besides in slavic languages, there are much better swearwords than gay and fag equivalents.
But my bet is on no, since i never saw a homophobe in my life.
Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.
Again even that is not whole - i have nothing against decent homosexuals, it is the types who seem to flaunt it publicly dress indecently and hold marches with the explicit purpose of annoying and provoking people that make me almost angry

Of course you are a homophobe:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28687&p=1135500&hilit=homosexual#p1135500

In case you didnt know, I'm gay, so that fact about you will be a confounding factor when you respond to my posts.

[Central Slavia]

It's radical leftism to run around declaring those who don't agree with the concept of absolute equality mentally ill. There's my two cents. No, they're not. They're just beliefs held by people, just like any other belief.

Well, people with anti social personality disorder always claim that there is nothing wrong as well.

No, On the czech UNIX forums, there is a guy with nick BLEK. (with the dot - it has thwarted many a lame impersonator) which except if talking about technical stuff (seems to be a leet programmer) bitches about how he has a schizoid personality disorder which prevents him from attracting women)
OK not bitching. He just blatantly states it.
It is a bit of folklore there

Fascinating. Are they also bunch of homophobes like yourself?

I never inquired into that, besides in slavic languages, there are much better swearwords than gay and fag equivalents.
But my bet is on no, since i never saw a homophobe in my life.
Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.
Again even that is not whole - i have nothing against decent homosexuals, it is the types who seem to flaunt it publicly dress indecently and hold marches with the explicit purpose of annoying and provoking people that make me almost angry

Of course you are a homophobe:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28687&p=1135500&hilit=homosexual#p1135500

In case you didnt know, I'm gay, so that fact about you will be a confounding factor when you respond to my posts.

It definitely is a deviation. Say me any fundamental difference that puts it out of the set of deviations i have listed in that set.

Besides , i did not know and now i understand why you marked a guy who was making a satire about fascists up for flame

[Nova Magna Germania]

They are using criteria similar to those applied to the 10 personality disorders described in the
DSM–IV–TR. And those are established through empirical data, not thru ideology.

I just skimmed through your entire criteria. It's all "they hold these ideals", which is entirely ideological. I repeat that this notion is ridiculous. The fact that people are advocating this is similar to certain governments sending political opponents to asylums. You're just trying to eliminate your political opposition by saying that anyone that disagrees with the equality of everyone is medically ill in the head.

Nope

Yeah, because racism, sexism, anti-gay sentiments, and sense of self or group superiority over other individuals or groups have been relatively non-existent throughout human history.

Altho some cultures may be psychopathological. Eg: Nazi Germany.

The idea of equality deviates from the expectations of certain cultures. Perhaps in these cultures this "Leftist Personality Disorder" is plausible? You're just trying to silence your political opponents.

You are repeating yourself, ie: ignoring the part when I said they are using criteria established using empirical data.

[Nova Magna Germania]

It's radical leftism to run around declaring those who don't agree with the concept of absolute equality mentally ill. There's my two cents. No, they're not. They're just beliefs held by people, just like any other belief.

Well, people with anti social personality disorder always claim that there is nothing wrong as well.

No, On the czech UNIX forums, there is a guy with nick BLEK. (with the dot - it has thwarted many a lame impersonator) which except if talking about technical stuff (seems to be a leet programmer) bitches about how he has a schizoid personality disorder which prevents him from attracting women)
OK not bitching. He just blatantly states it.
It is a bit of folklore there

Fascinating. Are they also bunch of homophobes like yourself?

I never inquired into that, besides in slavic languages, there are much better swearwords than gay and fag equivalents.
But my bet is on no, since i never saw a homophobe in my life.
Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.
Again even that is not whole - i have nothing against decent homosexuals, it is the types who seem to flaunt it publicly dress indecently and hold marches with the explicit purpose of annoying and provoking people that make me almost angry

Of course you are a homophobe:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28687&p=1135500&hilit=homosexual#p1135500

In case you didnt know, I'm gay, so that fact about you will be a confounding factor when you respond to my posts.

It definitely is a deviation. Say me any fundamental difference that puts it out of the set of deviations i have listed in that set.

Besides , i did not know and now i understand why you marked a guy who was making a satire about fascists up for flame

So being blond is a deviation similar to being a pedophile.

Oh and fundamental difference is consent.

[Central Slavia]

Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.

Phobia means 'fear of and/or aversion to'. Disgust is aversion, so 'phobia' is an accurate word to use.

I believe most then suffer from coprophobia, kleptophobia and so on

Are these phobias pathological?

Definitely - how nicer it would be if people liked shit, and picked it up from roads instead of leaving their dog to crap, and going away.

Is homophobia?

[Central Slavia]

The DSM–IV–TR (American Psychiatric Association,
2000) states
Only when personality traits are inflexible and maladaptive
and cause significant functional impairment
or subjective distress do they constitute Personality
Disorders. The essential feature of a Personality Disorder
is an enduring pattern of inner experience and
behavior that deviates markedly from the expectations
of the individual’s culture and is manifested in at least
two of the following areas: cognition, affectivity, interpersonal
functioning, or impulse control. (p. 686)

Altho some cultures may be psychopathological. Eg: Nazi Germany.

In other words - If an individual behaves not in accord with society, either him or the society is deviant, depending on who does an american psychologist association side with

[Central Slavia]

It's radical leftism to run around declaring those who don't agree with the concept of absolute equality mentally ill. There's my two cents. No, they're not. They're just beliefs held by people, just like any other belief.

Well, people with anti social personality disorder always claim that there is nothing wrong as well.

No, On the czech UNIX forums, there is a guy with nick BLEK. (with the dot - it has thwarted many a lame impersonator) which except if talking about technical stuff (seems to be a leet programmer) bitches about how he has a schizoid personality disorder which prevents him from attracting women)
OK not bitching. He just blatantly states it.
It is a bit of folklore there

Fascinating. Are they also bunch of homophobes like yourself?

I never inquired into that, besides in slavic languages, there are much better swearwords than gay and fag equivalents.
But my bet is on no, since i never saw a homophobe in my life.
Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.
Again even that is not whole - i have nothing against decent homosexuals, it is the types who seem to flaunt it publicly dress indecently and hold marches with the explicit purpose of annoying and provoking people that make me almost angry

Of course you are a homophobe:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28687&p=1135500&hilit=homosexual#p1135500

In case you didnt know, I'm gay, so that fact about you will be a confounding factor when you respond to my posts.

It definitely is a deviation. Say me any fundamental difference that puts it out of the set of deviations i have listed in that set.

Besides , i did not know and now i understand why you marked a guy who was making a satire about fascists up for flame

So being blond is a deviation similar to being a pedophile.

Oh and fundamental difference is consent.

Untrue - deviations like gerontophillia , even paedophillia (although not legally) , fetishism, froteurism etc. may involve consent as well
And being blond is AFAIK not relevant to any functioning (although it might be a disability if the accompanying loss of pigment happens to someone who lives in hot sunny area)

[Jello Biafra]

Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.

Phobia means 'fear of and/or aversion to'. Disgust is aversion, so 'phobia' is an accurate word to use.

I believe most then suffer from coprophobia, kleptophobia and so on

Are these phobias pathological?

Definitely - how nicer it would be if people liked shit, and picked it up from roads instead of leaving their dog to crap, and going away.

Is homophobia?

Homphobia is certainly irrational, yes. Pathological? Well, that seems to be what this thread is meant to discover.

[Natapoc]

In other words - If an individual behaves not in accord with society, either him or the society is deviant, depending on who does an american psychologist association side with

Not really though. These definitions are not intended for people to label each other. They are used by professionals to attempt to help you if and only if "not being in accord with society" causes severe emotional or life harm to you.

For example if YOU go in upset about how "not being in accord with society" is so hurtful for you that you lost your job and you have disowned your family, ect then it may be useful to use this label to help understand this specific behavior for you and start a treatment plan that worked for others who had the same issue (Where it also effected their life seriously)

[Central Slavia]

In other words - If an individual behaves not in accord with society, either him or the society is deviant, depending on who does an american psychologist association side with

Not really though. These definitions are not intended for people to label each other. They are used by professionals to attempt to help you if and only if "not being in accord with society" causes severe emotional or life harm to you.

For example if YOU go in upset about how "not being in accord with society" is so hurtful for you that you lost your job and you have disowned your family, ect then it may be useful to use this label to help understand this specific behavior for you and start a treatment plan that worked for others who had the same issue (Where it also effected their life seriously)

IE they propose utter opportunism - if your convictions disagree with those around which causes you trouble, change your convictions!

[Natapoc]

In other words - If an individual behaves not in accord with society, either him or the society is deviant, depending on who does an american psychologist association side with

Not really though. These definitions are not intended for people to label each other. They are used by professionals to attempt to help you if and only if "not being in accord with society" causes severe emotional or life harm to you.

For example if YOU go in upset about how "not being in accord with society" is so hurtful for you that you lost your job and you have disowned your family, ect then it may be useful to use this label to help understand this specific behavior for you and start a treatment plan that worked for others who had the same issue (Where it also effected their life seriously)

IE they propose utter opportunism - if your convictions disagree with those around which causes you trouble, change your convictions!

No. I must not have phrased it correctly. I'm sorry about that Will wait till someone else who also understands comes in and explains it better then me.

[Nova Magna Germania]

It's radical leftism to run around declaring those who don't agree with the concept of absolute equality mentally ill. There's my two cents. No, they're not. They're just beliefs held by people, just like any other belief.

Well, people with anti social personality disorder always claim that there is nothing wrong as well.

No, On the czech UNIX forums, there is a guy with nick BLEK. (with the dot - it has thwarted many a lame impersonator) which except if talking about technical stuff (seems to be a leet programmer) bitches about how he has a schizoid personality disorder which prevents him from attracting women)
OK not bitching. He just blatantly states it.
It is a bit of folklore there

Fascinating. Are they also bunch of homophobes like yourself?

I never inquired into that, besides in slavic languages, there are much better swearwords than gay and fag equivalents.
But my bet is on no, since i never saw a homophobe in my life.
Phobia implies being patologicaly afraid of something ,while most people merely feel disgust.
Again even that is not whole - i have nothing against decent homosexuals, it is the types who seem to flaunt it publicly dress indecently and hold marches with the explicit purpose of annoying and provoking people that make me almost angry

Of course you are a homophobe:

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=28687&p=1135500&hilit=homosexual#p1135500

In case you didnt know, I'm gay, so that fact about you will be a confounding factor when you respond to my posts.

It definitely is a deviation. Say me any fundamental difference that puts it out of the set of deviations i have listed in that set.

Besides , i did not know and now i understand why you marked a guy who was making a satire about fascists up for flame

So being blond is a deviation similar to being a pedophile.

Oh and fundamental difference is consent.

Untrue - deviations like gerontophillia , even paedophillia (although not legally) , fetishism, froteurism etc. may involve consent as well
And being blond is AFAIK not relevant to any functioning (although it might be a disability if the accompanying loss of pigment happens to someone who lives in hot sunny area)

Consent is not just saying yes. It requires a sane adult mind. Children dont have enough grey material in their brains.
As for fetishism depends.
Froteurism is rubbing against unsuspecting people, so dont be dumb.
Gerontophillia is not necessarily a "deviation". Older people may like people their own age. Liking people your own age is not a "deviation".
Homosexuality is not relevant to any functioning either.
Shortly, u are just another homophobe. What surprises me is that why u come to these kinda threads.

[Nova Magna Germania]

The DSM–IV–TR (American Psychiatric Association,
2000) states
Only when personality traits are inflexible and maladaptive
and cause significant functional impairment
or subjective distress do they constitute Personality
Disorders. The essential feature of a Personality Disorder
is an enduring pattern of inner experience and
behavior that deviates markedly from the expectations
of the individual’s culture and is manifested in at least
two of the following areas: cognition, affectivity, interpersonal
functioning, or impulse control. (p. 686)

Altho some cultures may be psychopathological. Eg: Nazi Germany.

In other words - If an individual behaves not in accord with society, either him or the society is deviant, depending on who does an american psychologist association side with

And APA sides with a group depending on the data.

[Central Slavia]

Consent is not just saying yes. It requires a sane adult mind. Children dont have enough grey material in their brains.
As for fetishism depends.
Froteurism is rubbing against unsuspecting people, so dont be dumb.
Gerontophillia is not necessarily a "deviation". Older people may like people their own age. Liking people your own age is not a "deviation".
Homosexuality is not relevant to any functioning either.
Shortly, u are just another homophobe. What surprises me is that why u come to these kinda threads.

Yet the last time i read, all of the previous ones were classed as deviations.
As for gerontophillia it is sexual preference for people who are showing explicit signs of old-age degradation. So with two oldies getting it on (if he can get it up) it is not necessarily so, however if a man finds an old woman more attractive than one in the adult spectrum, there is something wrong there,


As for the thread - why should i leave someone argue that me and hundreds thousands other non-liberals are mentally ill?

[Nova Magna Germania]

Consent is not just saying yes. It requires a sane adult mind. Children dont have enough grey material in their brains.
As for fetishism depends.
Froteurism is rubbing against unsuspecting people, so dont be dumb.
Gerontophillia is not necessarily a "deviation". Older people may like people their own age. Liking people your own age is not a "deviation".
Homosexuality is not relevant to any functioning either.
Shortly, u are just another homophobe. What surprises me is that why u come to these kinda threads.

Yet the last time i read, all of the previous ones were classed as deviations.

That would be 1940's?

As for gerontophillia it is sexual preference for people who are showing explicit signs of old-age degradation. So with two oldies getting it on (if he can get it up) it is not necessarily so, however if a man finds an old woman more attractive than one in the adult spectrum, there is something wrong there,

Up to 20% of the population (or more according to Kinsey) show a degree of homosexuality/bisexuality.
Whats the prevalency of gerontophilia?