Are racism, sexism, and homophobia form of psychopathology?

[Nova Magna Germania]

I already gave the source. Learn to read

What? Imageshack? I'm not going to scour this whole damn thread.

Can you not see the google books link?

It's Contemporary Perspectives on Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Identities, 2008, pg 30.

[Unity Horde]

contemporary perspectives

[Greater Americania]

Can you not see the google books link?

It's Contemporary Perspectives on Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Identities, 2008, pg 30.

I did, and I scrolled all the way down where I was cut off from scrolling any farther. Every page that was available lacked that graph, which still leads me to question it's origins.

[Unity Horde]

I did, and I scrolled all the way down where I was cut off from scrolling any farther. Every page that was available lacked that graph, which still leads me to question it's origins.

Greater Americania prefers to think that same-sex attraction is infinitesimally small.

[Nova Magna Germania]

Can you not see the google books link?

It's Contemporary Perspectives on Lesbian, Gay, and Bisexual Identities, 2008, pg 30.

I did, and I scrolled all the way down where I was cut off from scrolling any farther. Every page that was available lacked that graph, which still leads me to question it's origins.

Heres a screenshot:

[Greater Americania]

Greater Americania prefers to think that same-sex attraction is infinitesimally small.

"infinitesimally small" is "under 20% of the population"? Great fucking logic there, bud.

[Greater Americania]

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How did you get access to that when I couldn't?

[Capitalistliberals]

No, its an off shoot of xenophobia which is generally passed down from parents, or some even in the life of the sexist/racist/homophobic person.

[Nova Magna Germania]

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How did you get access to that when I couldn't?

Assuming that you didnt fuck it up somehow, maybe because I'm in Canada and you are in US. Hence, different patent restrictions.

[The Archiepelago]

We were discussing this in another thread:

Intolerance and psychopathology: Toward a general diagnosis for racism, sexism, and homophobia.

Racism, sexism, and homophobia do not fit into any current diagnostic category. The authors propose that those who engage in such behaviors display a form of psychopathology deserving of its own category. The common denominator seems to be intolerance. The authors explore the possibility of an intolerant personality disorder, outline likely symptoms, and suggest some possible treatment considerations.
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Conclusion
IPD has been presented as an idea whose time has
come. As in the case of antisocial and narcissistic disorders,
there are many persons around the world who
are being harmed by the intolerant person, as
described here. This is a disorder that deserves full
acknowledgement as a psychological problem unto
itself. It is not enough to merely note the harm or
lament the damage. Researchers and therapists need
to develop treatment approaches that have the
capacity to alleviate it. Courses that address issues of
diversity and therapy would do well to teach such
approaches to intolerance. Courses on psychopathology
might be enhanced when considering the
possibility of IPD.
As the world becomes an increasingly smaller
place because of technology in the forms of readily
accessible travel and nearly instant communication,
our civic and social responsibility compels us to interact
with and accept increasingly diverse groups of
people. In contrast, persons displaying the symptoms
of IPD routinely harm others while knowingly or
unknowingly inflicting pain on themselves. In contrast,
those who embrace diversity can draw on a multitude
of life perspectives and incorporate them into
their own conceptual view of the world. Those who
are destructive toward individuals who are different
or diverse do not, and this can be best understood as a
form of psychopathology.
Beginning with the third edition of the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)
compiled by the American Psychiatric Association
(1980), disorders are categorized and included only
after they have been substantiated by relevant statistical
data and research literature (American Psychiatric
Association, n.d.). This present narrative serves as an
initial call for the consideration of an intolerant personality
disorder. Therefore, we affirm that there is a
necessity for research and encourage an open discussion
of the ideas introduced here. If time and research
warrant the inclusion of IPD in a future addition of the
DSM, some key questions must be raised: (a) In the
face of a psychiatric community that draws most of its
members from the dominant and privileged culture,
how will the possibility of intolerance toward
nonprivileged members of society be addressed?
(b) Although beginning steps have been made
away from racism and oppression in DSM–IV–TR
classifications, what part might racism or oppression
(viz., intolerance) continue to play in the consideration
of the DSM mutliaxial diagnosis system? and
(c) How will the recent trend away from the acceptance
of intolerance in psychotherapeutic treatment
approaches be accommodated in future descriptions
of psychopathology?
It is crucial to focus on the development of greater
degrees of empathy in therapists, especially in situations
where they work with clients who are from
different cultures or subcultures. In our experience,
success in therapy when client and therapist are from
different groups is directly related to the ability of the
therapist to display empathy for the client and his or
her culture. It is also important for the therapist to be
able to show empathy for the group that has been
harmed. For example, a male therapist working with a
sexist male client must necessarily be able to display
genuine and accurate empathy for the women who are
victimized by such attitudes.
Accepting intolerance as a personality disorder has
the potential of achieving a twofold benefit. First, persons
who are diagnosed and successfully treated for
IPD can relieve the pain and discomfort associated
with low self-esteem, lack of empathy, existential
anxiety, personal trauma, or any combination of these
four. Second, the therapeutic rehabilitation of empathy
in such persons leads to increased tolerance that
can contribute to a reduction in the amount of discrimination
experienced by individuals and groups
who are routinely the victims of intolerance. Both of
these benefits can combine into a significant contribution
that the mental health profession can make to society
as we venture into the 21st century—the century
of diversity.

Guindon, M., Green, A., & Hanna, F. (2003). Intolerance and psychopathology: Toward a general diagnosis for racism, sexism, and homophobia. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 73(2), 167-176. doi:10.1037/0002-9432.73.2.167.

Does intolerance make sense?

Sounds just like Nazism to me. Lol.

[Jello Biafra]

phobia is not just fear.

Yes, as a matter of fact, it is.

Wrong.

[Flameswroth]

Accepting intolerance as a personality disorder has
the potential of achieving a twofold benefit. First, persons
who are diagnosed and successfully treated for
IPD can relieve the pain and discomfort associated
with low self-esteem, lack of empathy, existential
anxiety, personal trauma, or any combination of these
four. Second, the therapeutic rehabilitation of empathy
in such persons leads to increased tolerance that
can contribute to a reduction in the amount of discrimination
experienced by individuals and groups
who are routinely the victims of intolerance. Both of
these benefits can combine into a significant contribution
that the mental health profession can make to society
as we venture into the 21st century—the century
of diversity.

Sounds eerily like some kind of mental conditioning or brain-washing t'me, using a clinical basis to justify it. Call it a disorder, then you can 'rehabilitate' them to see things the 'proper' way, and they'll be 'better off' for it.

Some would argue that the real mental conditioning was the learning that made them intolerant initially, and that such treatment undoes that conditioning, but that's more of a matter of perspective more than anything else.

[Nova Magna Germania]

Accepting intolerance as a personality disorder has
the potential of achieving a twofold benefit. First, persons
who are diagnosed and successfully treated for
IPD can relieve the pain and discomfort associated
with low self-esteem, lack of empathy, existential
anxiety, personal trauma, or any combination of these
four. Second, the therapeutic rehabilitation of empathy
in such persons leads to increased tolerance that
can contribute to a reduction in the amount of discrimination
experienced by individuals and groups
who are routinely the victims of intolerance. Both of
these benefits can combine into a significant contribution
that the mental health profession can make to society
as we venture into the 21st century—the century
of diversity.

Sounds eerily like some kind of mental conditioning or brain-washing t'me, using a clinical basis to justify it. Call it a disorder, then you can 'rehabilitate' them to see things the 'proper' way, and they'll be 'better off' for it.

Some would argue that the real mental conditioning was the learning that made them intolerant initially, and that such treatment undoes that conditioning, but that's more of a matter of perspective more than anything else.

If they are violent, we already incarcerate them, Einstein.

Of course, since you are a homophobe yourself, your views are kinda irrelevant here.

[United Southernours]

So me being raised with traditions, morals and values about the black man being how he is, the sanctity of marriage and the knowledge that women cannot simply do everything makes it a mental disorder? It was taught to me, so no.

[Flameswroth]

Accepting intolerance as a personality disorder has
the potential of achieving a twofold benefit. First, persons
who are diagnosed and successfully treated for
IPD can relieve the pain and discomfort associated
with low self-esteem, lack of empathy, existential
anxiety, personal trauma, or any combination of these
four. Second, the therapeutic rehabilitation of empathy
in such persons leads to increased tolerance that
can contribute to a reduction in the amount of discrimination
experienced by individuals and groups
who are routinely the victims of intolerance. Both of
these benefits can combine into a significant contribution
that the mental health profession can make to society
as we venture into the 21st century—the century
of diversity.

Sounds eerily like some kind of mental conditioning or brain-washing t'me, using a clinical basis to justify it. Call it a disorder, then you can 'rehabilitate' them to see things the 'proper' way, and they'll be 'better off' for it.

Some would argue that the real mental conditioning was the learning that made them intolerant initially, and that such treatment undoes that conditioning, but that's more of a matter of perspective more than anything else.

If they are violent, we already incarcerate them, Einstein.

Certainly. But a quick review of the excerpt reveals that 'violence', though a possible consequence of intolerance, is not the indicator upon which such therapy would be based, nor is its prevention listed as the ultimate goal. Granted, the term 'harm' is used, and I will not debate that a cessation of intolerance through therapy could negate any violent actions that may have been committed. But it goes so much more in-depth than just that. To me, it's like saying, "Crime among African Americans can cause violence, so let's preemptively put blacks into correctional institutions." But that could just be me, since...

Of course, since you are a homophobe yourself, your views are kinda irrelevant here.

This is just the sort of thing I was talking about in the previous thread. Homophobe has become a slur in and of itself, and there are many who would use it to decry the legitimacy of opinions on the matter contrary to their own. To turn it into a medical condition would further that end, as input from those who could be labeled homophobic could be instantly tossed aside as the ravings of a mentally ill person who needs to be corrected.

But it's pointless to belabor that point. After all, if you could be 're-educated' or denounced for holding a specific belief or preference, it'll just force that belief underground so people don't make it publicly known anymore. Sounds familiar...

[Tokos]

No, its an off shoot of xenophobia which is generally passed down from parents, or some even in the life of the sexist/racist/homophobic person.

None of those, by their popular definition, necessarily have anything to do with xenophobia.

[Nova Magna Germania]

Certainly. But a quick review of the excerpt reveals that 'violence', though a possible consequence of intolerance, is not the indicator upon which such therapy would be based, nor is its prevention listed as the ultimate goal. Granted, the term 'harm' is used, and I will not debate that a cessation of intolerance through therapy could negate any violent actions that may have been committed. But it goes so much more in-depth than just that. To me, it's like saying, "Crime among African Americans can cause violence, so let's preemptively put blacks into correctional institutions." But that could just be me, since...

The authors say their suggestion is similar to anti-social personality disorder. People with ASP do display violence, it's usually one of the symptoms.
So, as I said, in the clinical sense, we dont necessarily mean people who are opposed to same sex marriage.

This is just the sort of thing I was talking about in the previous thread. Homophobe has become a slur in and of itself, and there are many who would use it to decry the legitimacy of opinions on the matter contrary to their own. To turn it into a medical condition would further that end, as input from those who could be labeled homophobic could be instantly tossed aside as the ravings of a mentally ill person who needs to be corrected.

But it's pointless to belabor that point. After all, if you could be 're-educated' or denounced for holding a specific belief or preference, it'll just force that belief underground so people don't make it publicly known anymore. Sounds familiar...

Of course the way I used it wasnt exactly same with the proposed clinical usage. Kinda like pedophile. In everyday speech, its use is more liberal than the clinical definition.

[Central Slavia]

This reminds me of an older but equally important question;

are drapetomania and dysaesthesia aethiopica forms of psychopathology?

[Cameroi]

i would say that they are, and that every form of economic and ideological fanatacism is also.

so for that matter, is the fanatacism and prejudice of any and every thing else.

[Nova Magna Germania]

This reminds me of an older but equally important question;

are drapetomania and dysaesthesia aethiopica forms of psychopathology?

Yes because science was as advanced as it is today in 1851.

Actually, we should reject medicine too cause some doctors might have said something dumb in 1851.

[Central Slavia]

This reminds me of an older but equally important question;

are drapetomania and dysaesthesia aethiopica forms of psychopathology?

Yes because science was as advanced as it is today in 1851.

Actually, we should reject medicine too cause some doctors might have said something dumb in 1851.

And in 1851 science was more advanced than in 1700.
I am not for rejecting medicine - but it shows what bullshit you get when dubious branch like psychology gets combined with time's ideology.
The two disorders certainly existed, as do the new ones - i am sure many slaves were either apathic or wanted to escape just like many people hold described views
I just do not think either is a sickness

[Nova Magna Germania]

This reminds me of an older but equally important question;

are drapetomania and dysaesthesia aethiopica forms of psychopathology?

Yes because science was as advanced as it is today in 1851.

Actually, we should reject medicine too cause some doctors might have said something dumb in 1851.

And in 1851 science was more advanced than in 1700.
I am not for rejecting medicine - but it shows what bullshit you get when dubious branch like psychology gets combined with time's ideology.
The two disorders certainly existed, as do the new ones - i am sure many slaves were either apathic or wanted to escape just like many people hold described views
I just do not think either is a sickness

Dysesthesia had nothing to do with psychology. Educate yourself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysesthesia

Drapetomania was never part of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. There wasnt much psychology in 1851. Educate yourself.

[Station 12]

They're just misplaced fear due to misunderstanding. It's possible that some of it is caused by mental disorders, but it's not a disorder in itself.

[Central Slavia]

sorry , that was my misspelling, but you fail also

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysaethesia_aethiopica