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Are racism, sexism, and homophobia form of psychopathology?

Postby Nova Magna Germania » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:32 pm

We were discussing this in another thread:

Intolerance and psychopathology: Toward a general diagnosis for racism, sexism, and homophobia.

Racism, sexism, and homophobia do not fit into any current diagnostic category. The authors propose that those who engage in such behaviors display a form of psychopathology deserving of its own category. The common denominator seems to be intolerance. The authors explore the possibility of an intolerant personality disorder, outline likely symptoms, and suggest some possible treatment considerations.
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Conclusion
IPD has been presented as an idea whose time has
come. As in the case of antisocial and narcissistic disorders,
there are many persons around the world who
are being harmed by the intolerant person, as
described here. This is a disorder that deserves full
acknowledgement as a psychological problem unto
itself. It is not enough to merely note the harm or
lament the damage. Researchers and therapists need
to develop treatment approaches that have the
capacity to alleviate it. Courses that address issues of
diversity and therapy would do well to teach such
approaches to intolerance. Courses on psychopathology
might be enhanced when considering the
possibility of IPD.
As the world becomes an increasingly smaller
place because of technology in the forms of readily
accessible travel and nearly instant communication,
our civic and social responsibility compels us to interact
with and accept increasingly diverse groups of
people. In contrast, persons displaying the symptoms
of IPD routinely harm others while knowingly or
unknowingly inflicting pain on themselves. In contrast,
those who embrace diversity can draw on a multitude
of life perspectives and incorporate them into
their own conceptual view of the world. Those who
are destructive toward individuals who are different
or diverse do not, and this can be best understood as a
form of psychopathology.
Beginning with the third edition of the Diagnostic
and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)
compiled by the American Psychiatric Association
(1980), disorders are categorized and included only
after they have been substantiated by relevant statistical
data and research literature (American Psychiatric
Association, n.d.). This present narrative serves as an
initial call for the consideration of an intolerant personality
disorder. Therefore, we affirm that there is a
necessity for research and encourage an open discussion
of the ideas introduced here. If time and research
warrant the inclusion of IPD in a future addition of the
DSM, some key questions must be raised: (a) In the
face of a psychiatric community that draws most of its
members from the dominant and privileged culture,
how will the possibility of intolerance toward
nonprivileged members of society be addressed?
(b) Although beginning steps have been made
away from racism and oppression in DSM–IV–TR
classifications, what part might racism or oppression
(viz., intolerance) continue to play in the consideration
of the DSM mutliaxial diagnosis system? and
(c) How will the recent trend away from the acceptance
of intolerance in psychotherapeutic treatment
approaches be accommodated in future descriptions
of psychopathology?
It is crucial to focus on the development of greater
degrees of empathy in therapists, especially in situations
where they work with clients who are from
different cultures or subcultures. In our experience,
success in therapy when client and therapist are from
different groups is directly related to the ability of the
therapist to display empathy for the client and his or
her culture. It is also important for the therapist to be
able to show empathy for the group that has been
harmed. For example, a male therapist working with a
sexist male client must necessarily be able to display
genuine and accurate empathy for the women who are
victimized by such attitudes.
Accepting intolerance as a personality disorder has
the potential of achieving a twofold benefit. First, persons
who are diagnosed and successfully treated for
IPD can relieve the pain and discomfort associated
with low self-esteem, lack of empathy, existential
anxiety, personal trauma, or any combination of these
four. Second, the therapeutic rehabilitation of empathy
in such persons leads to increased tolerance that
can contribute to a reduction in the amount of discrimination
experienced by individuals and groups
who are routinely the victims of intolerance. Both of
these benefits can combine into a significant contribution
that the mental health profession can make to society
as we venture into the 21st century—the century
of diversity.


Guindon, M., Green, A., & Hanna, F. (2003). Intolerance and psychopathology: Toward a general diagnosis for racism, sexism, and homophobia. American Journal of Orthopsychiatry, 73(2), 167-176. doi:10.1037/0002-9432.73.2.167.

Does intolerance make sense?

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Postby Chumblywumbly » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:42 pm

Well, clearly not all examples of racism, sexism, or homophobia are psychopathologies.

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Postby Neesika » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:43 pm

Considering that racism, sexism and homophobia are taught...then no.
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Postby Nova Magna Germania » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:44 pm

Chumblywumbly wrote:Well, clearly not all examples of racism, sexism, or homophobia are psychopathologies.

Ignorance is a powerful force.


No, we are talking about:

In the current practice of diagnosis in the mental
health professions, those who are active members of
the Klu Klux Klan might not fit into any extant diagnostic
category. They might attend church regularly,
abide by the law, and do their best to raise their children
while overtly or covertly spreading hate toward
members of oppressed groups. Similarly, a person
who is sexist or homophobic may be doing serious
harm to others but may not meet the diagnostic criteria
descriptive of obvious psychopathology.


So we arent talking about guys, who might be called sexist by some feminists, because they open the door for females.

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Postby Unity Horde » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:44 pm

Only if you consider anti-social behaviour, lower levels of conscience, desire to segregate when their could be positive social integration, and inability to rationally consider information pathological.

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Postby West Floradia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:46 pm

Ummm. no.

As much as we'd like to think that racism, sexism, etc. are forms of psychopathology, there's a difference between being a bigoted asshole and being mentally ill. They do overlap, but otherwise, they're quite different. Mental illness results in extreme forms of homophobia, racism, and sexism, but they aren't mental illnesses in and of themselves.
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:47 pm

How funny.
What will they do next? call everyone who is not a social and economic liberal insane?
Another proof this is no science.
Even with the kids - instead of applying discipline in a lot of cases, "disorders" are invented to feed kids lot of medication ..
I am not talking about serious psychiatric conditions like schizofrenia or so , but the fancy ADD ODD and all that.
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Postby Unity Horde » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:47 pm

Why do people say that "no, it's just ignorance"? You can be ignorant and live in the south during the time of the civil war and not be racist, if you have a strong enough mental constitution. Your conscience will know better. Ignorance enables pathological behaviour. Willingness to ignore slavery because it benefits you in some manner is a pathological disabling of conscience. One doesn't have to be missing part of their brain to be pathological, it can be socially, psychologically instilled.
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Postby Meso Smatonia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:48 pm

This requires a poll.
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:48 pm

Nova Magna Germania wrote:So we arent talking about guys, who might be called sexist by some feminists, because they open the door for females.

...and?

I don't see why even extreme forms of racism, sexism or homophobia would necessarily be due to mental defects.

Surely one can simply be extremely ignorant or uneducated?
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Postby Nova Magna Germania » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:49 pm

Neesika wrote:Considering that racism, sexism and homophobia are taught...then no.


Actually some people are more prone to it. Eg: See right-wing authoritarianism:

Right-wing authoritarianism (RWA) is a personality and ideological variable studied in political, social, and personality psychology. It is defined by three attitudinal and behavioral clusters which correlate together:[1][2]

1. Authoritarian submission — a high degree of submissiveness to the authorities who are perceived to be established and legitimate in the society in which one lives.
2. Authoritarian aggression — a general aggressiveness directed against deviants, outgroups, and other people that are perceived to be targets according to established authorities.
3. Conventionalism — a high degree of adherence to the traditions and social norms that are perceived to be endorsed by society and its established authorities, and a belief that others in one's society should also be required to adhere to these norms[3].

The terminology of authoritarianism, right-wing authoritarianism, and authoritarian personality tend to be used interchangeably by psychologists, though inclusion of the term "personality" may indicate a psychodynamic interpretation consistent with the original formulation of the theory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing ... itarianism

Oh and learning may play a role in personality disorders too:

Although the basic foundation of biology and
genetics play roles in personality disorders, environmental
factors, especially within the context of learning,
may play a bigger role. Specifically, pathogenic
learning processes may be instrumental in the development
of IPD when either reinforcement of maladaptive
behaviors or underlearning occurs. The child
learns intolerance from those who are themselves
intolerant, just as crime can be learned from criminals
(Samenow, 1998).
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Postby Jello Biafra » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:49 pm

Unity Horde wrote:Why do people say that "no, it's just ignorance"? You can be ignorant and live in the south during the time of the civil war and not be racist, if you have a strong enough mental constitution. Your conscience will know better.

How so?

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Postby Unity Horde » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:53 pm

Jello Biafra wrote:How so?

Because that's what conscience does, it tells you not to beat the shit out of your little sister or use another human being in a manner such as slavery.

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Postby West Floradia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:54 pm

Chumblywumbly wrote:
Nova Magna Germania wrote:So we arent talking about guys, who might be called sexist by some feminists, because they open the door for females.

...and?

I don't see why even extreme forms of racism, sexism or homophobia would necessarily be due to mental defects.

Surely one can simply be extremely ignorant or uneducated?

Racism, sexism, and homophobia are normally products of ignorance. Extreme forms (like hate crimes) *can* be due to mental illness... but not necessarily. It takes a special kind of... idk to actually kill someone for liking someone of the same gender, someone whose skin color is different, or to mutilate someone's genitals. That's not ignorance, that's outright hate.

Not a mental illness though, necessarily.
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:55 pm

Unity Horde wrote:Because that's what conscience does, it tells you not to beat the shit out of your little sister or use another human being in a manner such as slavery.

Conscience isn't morally infallible.
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Postby Nova Magna Germania » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:55 pm

Chumblywumbly wrote:
Nova Magna Germania wrote:So we arent talking about guys, who might be called sexist by some feminists, because they open the door for females.

...and?

I don't see why even extreme forms of racism, sexism or homophobia would necessarily be due to mental defects.

Surely one can simply be extremely ignorant or uneducated?


Not necessarily perhaps but maybe? Probably?

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Postby Unity Horde » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:56 pm

West Floradia wrote:Extreme forms (like hate crimes) *can* be due to mental illness... but not necessarily. It takes a special kind of... idk to actually kill someone for liking someone of the same gender, someone whose skin color is different, or to mutilate someone's genitals.

Not really, people still practice circumcision. It's just a matter of whether or not it's socially acceptable. Now, one might not do it oneself. Have someone else do it for you.

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Postby Chumblywumbly » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:56 pm

Nova Magna Germania wrote:
Chumblywumbly wrote:
Nova Magna Germania wrote:So we arent talking about guys, who might be called sexist by some feminists, because they open the door for females.

...and?

I don't see why even extreme forms of racism, sexism or homophobia would necessarily be due to mental defects.

Surely one can simply be extremely ignorant or uneducated?


Not necessarily perhaps but maybe? Probably?

I'd be extremely hesitant to say 'probably', but I'd happily submit that certain examples of racism, sexism, and homophobia stem from mental defect.
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Postby Unity Horde » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:57 pm

Chumblywumbly wrote:Conscience isn't morally infallible.

No, but it's not the same as morality either. It's more biologically inherent.

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Postby Mad hatters in jeans » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:57 pm

quite possibly yes.

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Postby Scarsaw » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:58 pm

Unity Horde wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:How so?

Because that's what conscience does, it tells you not to beat the shit out of your little sister or use another human being in a manner such as slavery.


If you were raised in a society that had slavery or beating younger women as the norm, I bet your conscience would have little objection. I bet you eat meat without any qualms or considerations, while a society that might not eat meat or look down on the killing of animals for whatever reason would have a different idea. Their conscience could tell them that killing animals is wrong, while yours finds killing animals for food is alright. Heck, you don't even think about it...let alone have a moral dilemma.

Not everyone's' consciences are the same and it greatly depends on what you consider the norm to be.
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Postby Nova Magna Germania » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:59 pm

Chumblywumbly wrote:
Nova Magna Germania wrote:
Chumblywumbly wrote:
Nova Magna Germania wrote:So we arent talking about guys, who might be called sexist by some feminists, because they open the door for females.

...and?

I don't see why even extreme forms of racism, sexism or homophobia would necessarily be due to mental defects.

Surely one can simply be extremely ignorant or uneducated?


Not necessarily perhaps but maybe? Probably?

I'd be extremely hesitant to say 'probably', but I'd happily submit that certain examples of racism, sexism, and homophobia stem from mental defect.


Not mental defect. Mental disorder.

So the question is, should we have a seperate disorder called intolerant personality disorder?

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Postby Chumblywumbly » Tue Feb 23, 2010 5:59 pm

Unity Horde wrote:
Chumblywumbly wrote:Conscience isn't morally infallible.

No, but it's not the same as morality either. It's more biologically inherent.

Yet our base moral instinct/moral psychology doesn't prevent us from being racist, sexist or homophobic.




Nova Magna Germania wrote:Not mental defect. Mental disorder.

Much of a muchness.

So the question is, should we have a seperate disorder called intolerant personality disorder?

If there's good evidence for it.

The conclusion of the report you quoted in the OP wasn't very definite.
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Feb 23, 2010 6:00 pm

Scarsaw wrote:
Unity Horde wrote:
Jello Biafra wrote:How so?

Because that's what conscience does, it tells you not to beat the shit out of your little sister or use another human being in a manner such as slavery.


If you were raised in a society that had slavery or beating younger women as the norm, I bet your conscience would have little objection. I bet you eat meat without any qualms or considerations, while a society that might not eat meat or look down on the killing of animals for whatever reason would have a different idea. Their conscience could tell them that killing animals is wrong, while yours finds killing animals for food is alright. Heck, you don't even think about it...let alone have a moral dilemma.

Not everyone's' consciences are the same and it greatly depends on what you consider the norm to be.


Some things such as sense of fairness or aversion to certain behaviours seem to be inborn in most (they can be gotten rid of though)
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