Child Abuse/Corporal Punishment Discussion

[Salandriagado]

The existence of worse forms of abuse does not make lesser forms of abuse not abuse. The existence of murder does not make assault not a crime.

True. But sometimes one and only one firm spank can make a difference if everything else fails

It would be illegal if I did it to another adult. Why the fuck should it be legal if I do it to a kid? If you can't deal with your kids without resorting to physical assault, then you are a bad parent. End of story.

[Ifreann]

And exactly how would that make it not abuse?

Well maybe it's because of my father one spanking doesn't seem to be that bad.

Maybe, but you will note that the conditions you gave were explaining why the child is being spanked, not joking about it, and only spanking as a last resort. The duration or severity of the punishment was not something you mentioned. Do you wish to add that to your list of conditions under which corporal punishment is acceptable?

[The Serbian Empire]

Ban corporal punishment period.

[Ifreann]

No there isn't. Hitting people is abuse. It doesn't suddenly become not abusive because those people happen to be your children.

Call it how you want, but there is a big objective difference between spanking or slapping a miscreant who won't listen otherwise and habitually beating him senseless.

What is that difference? Seems to me it is only of degree. Hurting someone a little versus hurting someone a lot. If the latter is wrong then why not the former?

[Great Feng]

Call it how you want, but there is a big objective difference between spanking or slapping a miscreant who won't listen otherwise and habitually beating him senseless.

What is that difference? Seems to me it is only of degree. Hurting someone a little versus hurting someone a lot. If the latter is wrong then why not the former?

A little videogames is good, but not too much as they give you headaches.
A little of something can be good, but too much can be bad.
Scratching yourself to relieve an itch is good but do it too much and it gets bad.
Maybe a bad defense but I'm just throwing it out there, still neutral.

[Ifreann]

What is that difference? Seems to me it is only of degree. Hurting someone a little versus hurting someone a lot. If the latter is wrong then why not the former?

A little videogames is good, but not too much as they give you headaches.
A little of something can be good, but too much can be bad.
Scratching yourself to relieve an itch is good but do it too much and it gets bad.
Maybe a bad defense but I'm just throwing it out there, still neutral.

A little gaming does no harm. A lot could do harm. Whereas hurting someone is still hurting someone whether you do it a little or a lot.

[Thermodolia]

Well maybe it's because of my father one spanking doesn't seem to be that bad.

Maybe, but you will note that the conditions you gave were explaining why the child is being spanked, not joking about it, and only spanking as a last resort. The duration or severity of the punishment was not something you mentioned. Do you wish to add that to your list of conditions under which corporal punishment is acceptable?

Yes I would. One slap and one slap only, and it shouldn't be able to leave a mark

[Thermodolia]

True. But sometimes one and only one firm spank can make a difference if everything else fails

It would be illegal if I did it to another adult. Why the fuck should it be legal if I do it to a kid? If you can't deal with your kids without resorting to physical assault, then you are a bad parent. End of story.

Not exactly as spanking an adult is not technically illegal it's the reason why your spanking that's illegal.

[Ifreann]

Maybe, but you will note that the conditions you gave were explaining why the child is being spanked, not joking about it, and only spanking as a last resort. The duration or severity of the punishment was not something you mentioned. Do you wish to add that to your list of conditions under which corporal punishment is acceptable?

Yes I would. One slap and one slap only, and it shouldn't be able to leave a mark

So why is that not abuse but two slaps is? Why is it abuse if it leaves a mark but not abuse if it doesn't? If one is hurting another person in order to correct that person's behaviour, is the amount you are hurting them really important?

[Ifreann]

It would be illegal if I did it to another adult. Why the fuck should it be legal if I do it to a kid? If you can't deal with your kids without resorting to physical assault, then you are a bad parent. End of story.

Not exactly as spanking an adult is not technically illegal it's the reason why your spanking that's illegal.

Under what technicality?

[Thermodolia]

Not exactly as spanking an adult is not technically illegal it's the reason why your spanking that's illegal.

Under what technicality?

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[Thermodolia]

Yes I would. One slap and one slap only, and it shouldn't be able to leave a mark

So why is that not abuse but two slaps is? Why is it abuse if it leaves a mark but not abuse if it doesn't? If one is hurting another person in order to correct that person's behaviour, is the amount you are hurting them really important?

I would say that the amount you are hurting them does matter.

[Ifreann]

Under what technicality?

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Where it is legal to hit someone in those circumstances it is because they are allowing you to hit them.

[Ifreann]

So why is that not abuse but two slaps is? Why is it abuse if it leaves a mark but not abuse if it doesn't? If one is hurting another person in order to correct that person's behaviour, is the amount you are hurting them really important?

I would say that the amount you are hurting them does matter.

Why? Why can you cause a child pain to correct their behaviour as long as it isn't too much pain?

[Norstal]

So why is that not abuse but two slaps is? Why is it abuse if it leaves a mark but not abuse if it doesn't? If one is hurting another person in order to correct that person's behaviour, is the amount you are hurting them really important?

I would say that the amount you are hurting them does matter.

If it doesn't hurt then it's not spanking is it.

[Thermodolia]

I would say that the amount you are hurting them does matter.

If it doesn't hurt then it's not spanking is it.

It doesn't always have to hurt to qualify as spanking.

[DBJ-II]

I absolutely support smacking a child/teenager when the situation requires it, especially in school. Obviously it shouldn't be done often and only if it's impossible to reason with them.

[Thermodolia]

I would say that the amount you are hurting them does matter.

Why? Why can you cause a child pain to correct their behaviour as long as it isn't too much pain?

The objective should be to cause as little pain and hurt as possible.

[Thermodolia]

I absolutely support smacking a child/teenager when the situation requires it, especially in school. Obviously it shouldn't be done often and only if it's impossible to reason with them.

Spanking should never happen in schools and if you are mad and can't reason with your child you shouldn't be allowed to spank them.

[DBJ-II]

I absolutely support smacking a child/teenager when the situation requires it, especially in school. Obviously it shouldn't be done often and only if it's impossible to reason with them.

Spanking should never happen in schools and if you are mad and can't reason with your child you shouldn't be allowed to spank them.

Only a naive, inexperienced fool would think that's it's always possible to reason with kids or teenagers.

[Great Feng]

Spanking should never happen in schools and if you are mad and can't reason with your child you shouldn't be allowed to spank them.

Only a naive, inexperienced fool would think that's it's always possible to reason with kids or teenagers.

That's flaming in what you just wrote.
Regardless of the side you're on or if your side is "right", you can still be punished for that language.

[Thermodolia]

Spanking should never happen in schools and if you are mad and can't reason with your child you shouldn't be allowed to spank them.

Only a naive, inexperienced fool would think that's it's always possible to reason with kids or teenagers.

Oh it's possible to reason with them. All the more reason why one shouldn't spank their kids if they believe that they can't reason with them.

[Salandriagado]

It would be illegal if I did it to another adult. Why the fuck should it be legal if I do it to a kid? If you can't deal with your kids without resorting to physical assault, then you are a bad parent. End of story.

Not exactly as spanking an adult is not technically illegal it's the reason why your spanking that's illegal.

Nope. If I did it to an adult for exactly the same reasons that you are proposing doing it to children, then I would rightly be arrested for assault.

[Ifreann]

If it doesn't hurt then it's not spanking is it.

It doesn't always have to hurt to qualify as spanking.

If one is not actually causing any pain then how is that corporal punishment at all?

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I absolutely support smacking a child/teenager when the situation requires it, especially in school. Obviously it shouldn't be done often and only if it's impossible to reason with them.

If it's impossible to reason with them then what will hurting them achieve? They'll just fight back, or try to run away, and can't possibly understand that you're trying to get them to stop doing something.

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Why? Why can you cause a child pain to correct their behaviour as long as it isn't too much pain?

The objective should be to cause as little pain and hurt as possible.

Doesn't answer the question.

[Salandriagado]

Spanking should never happen in schools and if you are mad and can't reason with your child you shouldn't be allowed to spank them.

Only a naive, inexperienced fool would think that's it's always possible to reason with kids or teenagers.

Or, you know, someone who has spent a huge amount of time working with some of the most "troubled" kids going, and has never once found a single one that can't be reasoned with. The problem isn't that the kid can't be reasoned with: it's that you don't know how to reason with them.