Child Abuse/Corporal Punishment Discussion

[Ashmoria]

when the article says "tree branch" do they really mean a switch? there is a big difference between a switch and a tree branch.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I don't know anyone who wasn't spanked at least a couple of times as a kid, and all of them have turned out just fine as adults. Don't see what the big fuss about physical punishment is, because as another poster here already stated, there's a very big difference between disciplining and abusing a kid.

If anything, a lot of kids these days could use more strap rather than less, being the spoiled disrespectful brats who always know their rights and never their duties. Some of the shit you get to see at schools these days would be unthinkable back when I was a kid.

[Ifreann]

I don't know anyone who wasn't spanked at least a couple of times as a kid, and all of them have turned out just fine as adults.

Scientific research to the contrary is, as I noted earlier, a despicable plot to weaken future generations.

[Uxupox]

I got spanked a few times as a kid, I turned out all right with no devious plots to conquer the world.

[Norstal]

I don't know anyone who wasn't spanked at least a couple of times as a kid, and all of them have turned out just fine as adults.

Scientific research to the contrary is, as I noted earlier, a despicable plot to weaken future generations.

"Back in my days, we had lead in everything and we all turned fine."

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I don't know anyone who wasn't spanked at least a couple of times as a kid, and all of them have turned out just fine as adults.

Scientific research to the contrary is, as I noted earlier, a despicable plot to weaken future generations.

People where spanking their kids long before any such research, and somehow the lot of them still turned out well. The empirical experience accumulated by billions of people over millenia of history does, I think, outweigh any researches of a handful of intellectuals the lot of whom probably don't even have kids themselves.

[Thermodolia]

Scientific research to the contrary is, as I noted earlier, a despicable plot to weaken future generations.

People where spanking their kids long before any such research, and somehow the lot of them still turned out well. The empirical experience accumulated by billions of people over millenia of history does, I think, outweigh any researches of a handful of intellectuals the lot of whom probably don't even have kids themselves.

There is a major difference between spanking your kid every now and then and abuse.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Here's the line:

Are you comfortable with someone else doing it to your kid?

No?

Then don't do it at all.

Bam.

There you go.

That simple.

[Thermodolia]

Spanking your kid is fine as long as they understand the reason for the spanking and make sure that you aren't spanking them for just about everything. Any othe corporal punishment should be viewed as abuse.

[Thermodolia]

Here's the line:

Are you comfortable with someone else doing it to your kid?

No?

Then don't do it at all.

Bam.

There you go.

That simple.

Works for me.

[Thermodolia]

when the article says "tree branch" do they really mean a switch? there is a big difference between a switch and a tree branch.

I hope nobody is spanking their kids or anyone else for that matter with a tree branch!

[Great Feng]

I'm okay with very light spankings when very young but that's about it.
In my opinion Corporal Punishment is taken too far.
Though strict discipline worked for the Feudal Japanese, so that's the main reason I am neutral on it. It disciplined many Japanese to-be Samurai.

[Ifreann]

Scientific research to the contrary is, as I noted earlier, a despicable plot to weaken future generations.

People where spanking their kids long before any such research, and somehow the lot of them still turned out well. The empirical experience accumulated by billions of people over millenia of history does, I think, outweigh any researches of a handful of intellectuals the lot of whom probably don't even have kids themselves.

I'm sure you do think that. I find it quite plausible that you think that everyone in the past was mentally healthy and well adjusted and not a one of them was worse off in any way because their parents used corporal punishment. Yet somehow I find actual research performed by actual experts more convincing than what you think the past was like.

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People where spanking their kids long before any such research, and somehow the lot of them still turned out well. The empirical experience accumulated by billions of people over millenia of history does, I think, outweigh any researches of a handful of intellectuals the lot of whom probably don't even have kids themselves.

There is a major difference between spanking your kid every now and then and abuse.

People keep saying that. I suspect the difference is primarily that one feels okay to them and the other feels bad.

[Thermodolia]

People where spanking their kids long before any such research, and somehow the lot of them still turned out well. The empirical experience accumulated by billions of people over millenia of history does, I think, outweigh any researches of a handful of intellectuals the lot of whom probably don't even have kids themselves.

I'm sure you do think that. I find it quite plausible that you think that everyone in the past was mentally healthy and well adjusted and not a one of them was worse off in any way because their parents used corporal punishment. Yet somehow I find actual research performed by actual experts more convincing than what you think the past was like.

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There is a major difference between spanking your kid every now and then and abuse.

People keep saying that. I suspect the difference is primarily that one feels okay to them and the other feels bad.

As someone who has a borderline abusive father I think I might know a bit about it.

[Norstal]

I'm sure you do think that. I find it quite plausible that you think that everyone in the past was mentally healthy and well adjusted and not a one of them was worse off in any way because their parents used corporal punishment. Yet somehow I find actual research performed by actual experts more convincing than what you think the past was like.

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People keep saying that. I suspect the difference is primarily that one feels okay to them and the other feels bad.

As someone who has a borderline abusive father I think I might know a bit about it.

I'm not sure why that makes you feel qualified to know what's okay spanking and what's not.

[Saiwania]

Learning to be controlled by external forces but doing their own thing when nobody's looking, is acceptable for the most part in my view. Most of the time certain behavior is expected but nobody will care realistically speaking, if what is undesired is done on their own time and it doesn't affect other people. Aggression/use of force could indeed be a valid solution to a problem, but ideally it is a last resort.

[Ifreann]

I'm sure you do think that. I find it quite plausible that you think that everyone in the past was mentally healthy and well adjusted and not a one of them was worse off in any way because their parents used corporal punishment. Yet somehow I find actual research performed by actual experts more convincing than what you think the past was like.

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People keep saying that. I suspect the difference is primarily that one feels okay to them and the other feels bad.

As someone who has a borderline abusive father I think I might know a bit about it.

You might.

[Thermodolia]

As someone who has a borderline abusive father I think I might know a bit about it.

I'm not sure why that makes you feel qualified to know what's okay spanking and what's not.

Maybe it's not. But there is definitely a line and I've seen my father cross it several times. If you are going to spank your kid make sure they know why, don't joke about spanking, and only spank as a matter of last resort.

[Salandriagado]

People where spanking their kids long before any such research, and somehow the lot of them still turned out well. The empirical experience accumulated by billions of people over millenia of history does, I think, outweigh any researches of a handful of intellectuals the lot of whom probably don't even have kids themselves.

There is a major difference between spanking your kid every now and then and abuse.

No there isn't. Hitting people is abuse. It doesn't suddenly become not abusive because those people happen to be your children.

[Ifreann]

I'm not sure why that makes you feel qualified to know what's okay spanking and what's not.

Maybe it's not. But there is definitely a line and I've seen my father cross it several times. If you are going to spank your kid make sure they know why, don't joke about spanking, and only spank as a matter of last resort.

And exactly how would that make it not abuse?

[Thermodolia]

There is a major difference between spanking your kid every now and then and abuse.

No there isn't. Hitting people is abuse. It doesn't suddenly become not abusive because those people happen to be your children.

As someone who has been abused by my sorry excuse for a father, I think I know what is abuse. One quick spank is not abuse, especially if you explain the reason for the spanking and only spank as a matter of last resort.

[Thermodolia]

Maybe it's not. But there is definitely a line and I've seen my father cross it several times. If you are going to spank your kid make sure they know why, don't joke about spanking, and only spank as a matter of last resort.

And exactly how would that make it not abuse?

Well maybe it's because of my father one spanking doesn't seem to be that bad.

[Salandriagado]

No there isn't. Hitting people is abuse. It doesn't suddenly become not abusive because those people happen to be your children.

As someone who has been abused by my sorry excuse for a father, I think I know what is abuse. One quick spank is not abuse, especially if you explain the reason for the spanking and only spank as a matter of last resort.

The existence of worse forms of abuse does not make lesser forms of abuse not abuse. The existence of murder does not make assault not a crime.

[Thermodolia]

As someone who has been abused by my sorry excuse for a father, I think I know what is abuse. One quick spank is not abuse, especially if you explain the reason for the spanking and only spank as a matter of last resort.

The existence of worse forms of abuse does not make lesser forms of abuse not abuse. The existence of murder does not make assault not a crime.

True. But sometimes one and only one firm spank can make a difference if everything else fails

[Imperium Sidhicum]

There is a major difference between spanking your kid every now and then and abuse.

No there isn't. Hitting people is abuse. It doesn't suddenly become not abusive because those people happen to be your children.

Call it how you want, but there is a big objective difference between spanking or slapping a miscreant who won't listen otherwise and habitually beating him senseless.