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What is the worst thing humanity ever did?

Holocaust/ genocide
113
30%
Slavery
27
7%
Terrorism
22
6%
Imperialism
15
4%
Inequality
25
7%
Environmental devastation/ climate change
94
25%
Other(please explain)
79
21%
 
Total votes : 375

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Postby Orberstine » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:00 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Engleberg wrote:Communism, the End of Imperialism, and the shift from monarchies to democracies.

Why? Imperialism was a horrible thing for nearly everyone except the white man. Do I really have to show you the horrors of the Belgium Congo?

While I agree Imperialism was not pretty, "white men" were not the only ones to partake in it.
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Postby Stucco Houses » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:00 pm

Merizoc wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:What, exactly, would even a relativist hold is desirable about it?

Its not destructive. Doesnt throw the world out of balance.

But why is "balance" desirable? What is "balance"? Is balance preferable to the millions of human lives and advances toward species-wide betterment allowed by agriculture?
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:00 pm

Disco.
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Postby The first Galactic Republic » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:00 pm

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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:00 pm

Our failure to do justice to each other.
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Postby Benuty » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:01 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Disco.

Admit it.

You were into disco as a teenager weren't you?
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Postby Kamchastkia » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:01 pm

Jumalariik wrote:Our failure to do justice to each other.

What failure?
What justice?
Which eachother?

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:01 pm

Merizoc wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:What, exactly, would even a relativist hold is desirable about it?

Its not destructive. Doesnt throw the world out of balance.

I don't think the Earth could sustain the population with hunting and gathering. What's the plan there?
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:01 pm

Orberstine wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:Why? Imperialism was a horrible thing for nearly everyone except the white man. Do I really have to show you the horrors of the Belgium Congo?

While I agree Imperialism was not pretty, "white men" were not the only ones to partake in it.

While that is true. White men were mainly the ones that benefit, yes, I include the Ottomans and the Japanese did do Imperialism but a majority of problems from Imperialism extended from European nations.
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Postby Australian rePublic » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:01 pm

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:02 pm

Benuty wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Disco.

Admit it.

You were into disco as a teenager weren't you?

Heh, no. I was a deadhead.
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Postby Quokkastan » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:02 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Its not destructive. Doesnt throw the world out of balance.

I don't think the Earth could sustain the population with hunting and gathering. What's the plan there?

We'll just have to start with the deadliest prey of all...
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Postby Orberstine » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:Disco.

How could you say no to a guy like this?
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Postby Benuty » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:02 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Its not destructive. Doesnt throw the world out of balance.

I don't think the Earth could sustain the population with hunting and gathering. What's the plan there?

I suppose that is the point, but 6 1/2 billion people aren't going into the good night voluntarily.
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Postby Pandeeria » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:03 pm

Benuty wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
Dear fucking hell...

Shouldn't be a surprise given our modest size of monarchists on this forum (especially the ones that go all out against democracy). They aren't as prevalent as I remember though.


I'm not only astounded about the Monarchy to Democracy, but also Communism, and more so that he felt that Imperialism was good.

I'm not even a Communist either.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:03 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Its not destructive. Doesnt throw the world out of balance.

There are many examples of primitive societies being destructive. In the Southwest, the Amerindians cleared enough forest to destabilize the climate.

And what were they doing that for?

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:03 pm

Orberstine wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Disco.

How could you say no to a guy like this?

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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:03 pm

Stucco Houses wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Its not destructive. Doesnt throw the world out of balance.

But why is "balance" desirable? What is "balance"? Is balance preferable to the millions of human lives and advances toward species-wide betterment allowed by agriculture?

Yes.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:04 pm

Merizoc wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:There are many examples of primitive societies being destructive. In the Southwest, the Amerindians cleared enough forest to destabilize the climate.

And what were they doing that for?

Building huts and for fire.
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Postby Jumalariik » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:04 pm

Kamchastkia wrote:
Jumalariik wrote:Our failure to do justice to each other.

What failure?
What justice?
Which eachother?

Basically when people do not get paid for the work that they do, that their value is not rewarded. It is the great failure because it means that we cannot have true justice.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:05 pm

Quokkastan wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:I don't think the Earth could sustain the population with hunting and gathering. What's the plan there?

We'll just have to start with the deadliest prey of all...

This game sounds like the most dangerous of them all.

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Postby Orberstine » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:05 pm

Socialist Tera wrote:
Orberstine wrote:While I agree Imperialism was not pretty, "white men" were not the only ones to partake in it.

While that is true. White men were mainly the ones that benefit, yes, I include the Ottomans and the Japanese did do Imperialism but a majority of problems from Imperialism extended from European nations.

Of course, and I didn't mean to give a defensive tone if one was given at all. I'd consider the Ottomans and Japanese "dishonourable mentions" and inspired if anything by the major powers of the day. If you weren't conquering someone was conquering you it seemed.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:05 pm

Benuty wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:I don't think the Earth could sustain the population with hunting and gathering. What's the plan there?

I suppose that is the point, but 6 1/2 billion people aren't going into the good night voluntarily.

I dunno, people seem to think they'll be able to bring about another crusade or return every state in Europe to absolute monarchy or restore the Roman empire by posting memes on the internet, why should getting everyone to go back to hunting and gathering be any harder?
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Postby Benuty » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:05 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Stucco Houses wrote:But why is "balance" desirable? What is "balance"? Is balance preferable to the millions of human lives and advances toward species-wide betterment allowed by agriculture?

Yes.

I suppose outside of the practical reasons for this what exactly would be better by this?

Holding my breath for something actually beneficial to us other than implied mass death tolls.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:05 pm

I would say our inability to work for the future when there are short term loses.
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