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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:41 am

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Socialist Nordia wrote:The best thing is to teach students to accept one another, and not care about arbitrary things like race, gender, sexuality, religion, etc.


Sir, I'm afraid that's too much common sense. I'm going to have to cuff you. You have the right to remain silent....

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The balkens wrote:Mfw american public schooling is better then Private school.

At least in the better areas of the country. I've certainly heard horror stories.
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Postby Yorkers » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:42 am

This is why the Chinese are beating us.
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Postby Sasar De » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:42 am

Free Republics wrote:I was of the impression that this (or at least a slightly less extreme version of this) was the norm in the American education system these days.

For these kinds of things, sunlight is the best disinfectant. Exposing "social justice" brainwashing allows the invisible hand of the market to punish those educational institutions that engage in it, thus reducing the amount of this stuff that goes on. If you doubt that the market can sort this out, just ask the University of Missouri.

You'd only get that impression if you listen to bullshit on the internet.

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The balkens wrote:Mfw american public schooling is better then Private school.

At least in the better areas of the country. I've certainly heard horror stories.


Like Detroit?

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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:43 am

Of course all white people are racist.
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Postby Europe and Oceania » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:43 am

This is completely wrong.

What the U.S. needs to do is what Germany does, there is no white wash in Germany, it takes full ownership and responsibility of its atrocities
in the second World War, the Holocaust. So they educate their children about it and have what is called "Stolperstein" which are cobblestone-sized
concrete cubes on the sidewalks and other places that are inscribed with the name and life dates of individual victims of German Nazism.
They also put up the public Anti-Semitic signs Nazi Germany had.

America needs to follow suit with its history of slavery and the massacre and mistreatment of the Native American Indians.
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Europe and Oceania wrote:This is completely wrong.

What the U.S. needs to do is what Germany does, there is no white wash in Germany, it takes full ownership and responsibility of its atrocities
in the second World War, the Holocaust. So they educate their children about it and have what is called "Stolperstein" which are cobblestone-sized
concrete cubes on the sidewalks and other places that are inscribed with the name and life dates of individual victims of German Nazism.
They also put up the public Anti-Semitic signs Nazi Germany had.

America needs to follow suit with its history of slavery and the massacre and mistreatment of the Native American Indians.


yea....

No.

The American people today should feel no guilt for what our ancestors did and ill be goddamned if White guilt is taught.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:44 am

Yorkers wrote:This is why the Chinese are beating us.

Because one private school decided to go way too far? This is one school. The education system as a whole doesn't do this. We have other problems. This isn't the reason why China, Japan, s Korea, Canada, and much of Western Europe is beating us.
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Postby New haven america » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:45 am

Europe and Oceania wrote:This is completely wrong.

What the U.S. needs to do is what Germany does, there is no white wash in Germany, it takes full ownership and responsibility of its atrocities
in the second World War, the Holocaust. So they educate their children about it and have what is called "Stolperstein" which are cobblestone-sized
concrete cubes on the sidewalks and other places that are inscribed with the name and life dates of individual victims of German Nazism.
They also put up the public Anti-Semitic signs Nazi Germany had.

America needs to follow suit with its history of slavery and the massacre and mistreatment of the Native American Indians.

Well, considering we're taught about those atrocities as early as 3rd grade...
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Postby Ganos Lao » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:45 am

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Ganos Lao wrote:
Sir, I'm afraid that's too much common sense. I'm going to have to cuff you. You have the right to remain silent....

I'm sorry officer.


That's what they all say! You common sense advocates and your goddamn logic and reason. How can we establish true anti-intellectual dystopia with you running amok?

But in all due seriousness, I fully agree. This school should check its own privilege, ironically enough.



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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:45 am

I had a sort of meh response to this, because being raised in an insular, homogeneous community can foster racism, but teaching kids that is very difficult without coming across as "feel guilty". Then I saw this:

Most recently, parents were upset with her airing a documentary film lionizing leaders of the violent Black Panthers movement. On May 31, the Bank Street School screened “Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution,” which depicts Panthers founder and convicted cop-killer Huey Newton as a martyr.


...and now I side with the school. If these parents are upset because "truth is on the side of the oppressed", then they can fuck off.
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Postby Free Republics » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:46 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Is this what people mean when they advocate for school choice?

No, usually those people are either libertarians or they want JE-SUS in their childrens' lives.


Indeed. One of the major reasons why the right has pushed school choice is because we wanted right-leaning alternatives to public schools. That it has backfired so completely probably isn't all that surprising...

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Free Republics wrote:I was of the impression that this (or at least a slightly less extreme version of this) was the norm in the American education system these days.

For these kinds of things, sunlight is the best disinfectant. Exposing "social justice" brainwashing allows the invisible hand of the market to punish those educational institutions that engage in it, thus reducing the amount of this stuff that goes on. If you doubt that the market can sort this out, just ask the University of Missouri.

You'd only get that impression if you listen to bullshit on the internet.


Well, where are kids learning the "social justice" ideology from if not from their teachers?
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The balkens wrote:Like Detroit?

NYC. There were a few kids in my class from NYC.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:48 am

Europe and Oceania wrote:This is completely wrong.

What the U.S. needs to do is what Germany does, there is no white wash in Germany, it takes full ownership and responsibility of its atrocities
in the second World War, the Holocaust. So they educate their children about it and have what is called "Stolperstein" which are cobblestone-sized
concrete cubes on the sidewalks and other places that are inscribed with the name and life dates of individual victims of German Nazism.
They also put up the public Anti-Semitic signs Nazi Germany had.

America needs to follow suit with its history of slavery and the massacre and mistreatment of the Native American Indians.

Based on experience in public schools, US history classes barely skim over trail of tears, slavery conditions, etc. It would be good to teach these things in full, unbiased history. Enough of this "American exceptionalism" crap. We've done good and bad things, and schools should teach everything, not just the parts that glorify us. I think Germany has the right idea. Anyway, this school has the wrong idea.
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Postby The Confederation of the Pacific » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:49 am

The New Sea Territory wrote:I had a sort of meh response to this, because being raised in an insular, homogeneous community can foster racism, but teaching kids that is very difficult without coming across as "feel guilty". Then I saw this:

Most recently, parents were upset with her airing a documentary film lionizing leaders of the violent Black Panthers movement. On May 31, the Bank Street School screened “Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution,” which depicts Panthers founder and convicted cop-killer Huey Newton as a martyr.


...and now I side with the school. If these parents are upset because "truth is on the side of the oppressed", then they can fuck off.


Ignore the mistreatment of children, and segregation of people because one side said something you disagree with? I don't agree with that in the slightest.
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The New Sea Territory wrote:I had a sort of meh response to this, because being raised in an insular, homogeneous community can foster racism, but teaching kids that is very difficult without coming across as "feel guilty". Then I saw this:

Most recently, parents were upset with her airing a documentary film lionizing leaders of the violent Black Panthers movement. On May 31, the Bank Street School screened “Black Panthers: Vanguard of the Revolution,” which depicts Panthers founder and convicted cop-killer Huey Newton as a martyr.


...and now I side with the school. If these parents are upset because "truth is on the side of the oppressed", then they can fuck off.


So you see no problem with racially segregating children and all that? Because it sounds to me like that's the sort of schtick the Black Panthers were fighting against, the whole "y'all can't be around us, ya hear?" thing.



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Socialist Nordia wrote:Based on experience in public schools, US history classes barely skim over trail of tears, slavery conditions, etc. It would be good to teach these things in full, unbiased history. Enough of this "American exceptionalism" crap. We've done good and bad things, and schools should teach everything, not just the parts that glorify us. I think Germany has the right idea. Anyway, this school has the wrong idea.

Based on my experience in public schools, such things were not skimmed over, at least not any more than other major historical events. Slavery in particular dominated in the curriculum regarding the 19th century, with the industrial revolution taking something of a backseat until we got into the decades-long lead-up into WW1. Hell, we didn't even go over the Franco-Prussian War, but the Trail of Tears was very much emphasized. In middle school, we got taught all about the Pilgrims, and how later they completely screwed over the people that helped them (something about celebrating the spirit of Thanksgiving and not necessarily the surrounding events).
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:51 am

The balkens wrote:
Europe and Oceania wrote:This is completely wrong.

What the U.S. needs to do is what Germany does, there is no white wash in Germany, it takes full ownership and responsibility of its atrocities
in the second World War, the Holocaust. So they educate their children about it and have what is called "Stolperstein" which are cobblestone-sized
concrete cubes on the sidewalks and other places that are inscribed with the name and life dates of individual victims of German Nazism.
They also put up the public Anti-Semitic signs Nazi Germany had.

America needs to follow suit with its history of slavery and the massacre and mistreatment of the Native American Indians.


yea....

No.

The American people today should feel no guilt for what our ancestors did and ill be goddamned if White guilt is taught.

Schools don't teach guilt. They need to teach the full history though. They barely cover the bad things America did, in order to glorify the nation. Enough of that. Teach the full history, and let the students decide if they want to feel guilty. How can you learn from history's mistakes if the mistakes are not taught?
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Postby Tribaria » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:52 am

So they're fighting racism with more racism? :eyebrow: Doesn't seem right to me.
Also, I'm sitting here in California nervously hoping that my private school doesn't try to do this. While we do have a Black Culture Club and an Inclusion Committee, but they are against this kind of thing.
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The balkens wrote:
Europe and Oceania wrote:This is completely wrong.

What the U.S. needs to do is what Germany does, there is no white wash in Germany, it takes full ownership and responsibility of its atrocities
in the second World War, the Holocaust. So they educate their children about it and have what is called "Stolperstein" which are cobblestone-sized
concrete cubes on the sidewalks and other places that are inscribed with the name and life dates of individual victims of German Nazism.
They also put up the public Anti-Semitic signs Nazi Germany had.

America needs to follow suit with its history of slavery and the massacre and mistreatment of the Native American Indians.


yea....

No.

The American people today should feel no guilt for what our ancestors did and ill be goddamned if White guilt is taught.


So continue Whitewashing? Whitewashing it is then *nods
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The Confederation of the Pacific wrote:http://nypost.com/2016/07/01/elite-k-8-school-teaches-white-students-theyre-born-racist/

A school that segregates children, rewards people of their skin color, and forces undeserving punishment on children, making it seem as if racism in the past is somehow their fault today. Even causing children to break down and cry due to this.

I personally think this is child abuse, and promoting the complete opposite of egalitarianism.



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Postby Socialist Nordia » Sun Jul 03, 2016 11:53 am

Conserative Morality wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:Based on experience in public schools, US history classes barely skim over trail of tears, slavery conditions, etc. It would be good to teach these things in full, unbiased history. Enough of this "American exceptionalism" crap. We've done good and bad things, and schools should teach everything, not just the parts that glorify us. I think Germany has the right idea. Anyway, this school has the wrong idea.

Based on my experience in public schools, such things were not skimmed over, at least not any more than other major historical events. Slavery in particular dominated in the curriculum regarding the 19th century, with the industrial revolution taking something of a backseat until we got into the decades-long lead-up into WW1. Hell, we didn't even go over the Franco-Prussian War, but the Trail of Tears was very much emphasized. In middle school, we got taught all about the Pilgrims, and how later they completely screwed over the people that helped them (something about celebrating the spirit of Thanksgiving and not necessarily the surrounding events).

Well I'm in florida, and the state government actively pushes teaching "American exceptionalism."
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