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What is the solution?

Waldorf schools
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6%
Legalize weed
22
25%
An emphasis on Austrian economics throughout the whole education system
9
10%
I shill for Big Pharma by calling for privatization / charter schools
10
11%
I shill for Big Pharma by calling for more standardized testing
4
4%
I shill for Big Pharma by calling for union busting
5
6%
I shill for Big Pharma by calling for stronger unions
9
10%
I shill for Big Pharma by calling for more funding for public schools
21
24%
Nothing is wrong with the American education, trust me, I shill for Big Pharma
4
4%
 
Total votes : 89

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:12 pm

Eternal Summeria wrote:
The first Galactic Republic wrote:When you mentioned patriarchy out of nowhere, I realized that the human process had been lost.

It's not only of nowhere. Patriarchy limits our IQ and as such is the natural ally of Big Pharma.

Humans being naturally psychotic, irrational, and illogical obviously can be controlled by some boogeyman *nods*.
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Postby Anollasia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:12 pm

Eternal Summeria wrote:
Anollasia wrote:
Nothing is flawless. Also, I don't know why you're mixing this with weed and such.

Legalize weed cures diseases increases IQ. But the only way to do so is to block Big Pharmas influence. The only way to do that is to teach independent thought (Waldorf) and economic policies that promote prosperity logic and freedom from serfdom (Austrian economics).


Proof? Also, IQ doesn't mean anything. One doesn't need a high IQ to be intelligent or creative.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:12 pm

Kelinfort wrote:Free market economics, patriarchy, big pharma, and weed legalization all in one post?

0/10, thanks for playing.

Spotted the Washington Consensus Centrist.

Give me a prize.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:13 pm

Benuty wrote:
Eternal Summeria wrote:It's not only of nowhere. Patriarchy limits our IQ and as such is the natural ally of Big Pharma.

Humans being naturally psychotic, irrational, and illogical obviously can be controlled by some boogeyman *nods*.

Austrian economics AND radical feminism AND big pharma conspiracy theory?

Woah mate

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Postby Eternal Summeria » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:13 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
Benuty wrote:Wow you have been on here so long all external senses have died, and you lack the inability to detect it.

I suggest a prescription of one sarcasm meter.

That made me laugh. :lol2:
Eternal Summeria wrote:Please explain. My idea is absolutely without flaws. If you found one you deserve a Nobel prize, but without examples I think you are talking out of your ass.

I came to that opinion at this point:
Eternal Summeria wrote:So everyone knows that the American education system is in deep trouble. It is obvious to anyone with half a brain that what we are doing isn't working. But what should be done about it? There seem to be as many answers as political persuasions. Some say that the problem is teacher's unions. Others think that unions should be stronger. Still others say to just privatize the whole system.

I offer a different solution. I think that we already have an example of what works best: Waldorf Schools, aka Steiner education. In such institutions, beyond the rapacious grasp of Big Pharma and their shills, America's youth can thrive anf blossom into beautiful intellectual butterflies. The only thing different in my idea is that we want to teach patriotic values... So how's this for innovation : we can teach them the most Patriotic and truly American thing : Austrian economics. Start at an early age with basic logic and some parables that teach about the virtues of free markets.

Propaganda.
There's no excuse for it, no matter what ideology you're pushing. It was bad to push every other radical ideology and it's bad for this one, too. As long as I'm an American citizen, I will countenance no such bullshit in this nation's public schools.

But you are already countenancing the teaching of pro Establishment propaganda. Besides it's only propaganda if it's not true.

Schools as they exist teach a lot of propaganda. Schools as I propose teach no propaganda. Only truth.

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Postby Greater Istanistan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:13 pm

Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:14 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
Benuty wrote:Humans being naturally psychotic, irrational, and illogical obviously can be controlled by some boogeyman *nods*.

Austrian economics AND radical feminism AND big pharma conspiracy theory?

Woah mate


Revel in the madness with more madness.

Bound to work sometime.
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Postby Anollasia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:15 pm

Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.


I noticed his name. Honestly, it's kind of amusing. c:

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:15 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.


I noticed his name. Honestly, it's kind of amusing. c:


Then why not engage in the madness?
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:15 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Eternal Summeria wrote:Legalize weed cures diseases increases IQ. But the only way to do so is to block Big Pharmas influence. The only way to do that is to teach independent thought (Waldorf) and economic policies that promote prosperity logic and freedom from serfdom (Austrian economics).


Proof? Also, IQ doesn't mean anything. One doesn't need a high IQ to be intelligent or creative.

But it sure helps. Also, from students with higher IQs get into gifted classes which have much better teachers than regular. This is from my personal experience going through high school as a gifted student. The regular teachers can really suck sometimes.
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Postby Eternal Summeria » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:16 pm

Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.

Because someone who has ideas that can actually shatter the status quo must obviously be a parody.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:17 pm

Eternal Summeria wrote:
Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.

Because someone who has ideas that can actually shatter the status quo must obviously be a parody.

That is absurd in order to shatter the status quo you would have to be dead.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:17 pm

Eternal Summeria wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:That made me laugh. :lol2:

I came to that opinion at this point:

Propaganda.
There's no excuse for it, no matter what ideology you're pushing. It was bad to push every other radical ideology and it's bad for this one, too. As long as I'm an American citizen, I will countenance no such bullshit in this nation's public schools.

But you are already countenancing the teaching of pro Establishment propaganda. Besides it's only propaganda if it's not true.

Schools as they exist teach a lot of propaganda. Schools as I propose teach no propaganda. Only truth.

Propaganda is a method of persuasion, using biased information to sway the audience to the propagandist's side- a definition your proposal certainly has inherent to its' nature. And propaganda is, of course, bullshit.
Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.

Agreed wholeheartedly.
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Postby Eternal Summeria » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:17 pm

Anollasia wrote:
Eternal Summeria wrote:Legalize weed cures diseases increases IQ. But the only way to do so is to block Big Pharmas influence. The only way to do that is to teach independent thought (Waldorf) and economic policies that promote prosperity logic and freedom from serfdom (Austrian economics).


Proof? Also, IQ doesn't mean anything. One doesn't need a high IQ to be intelligent or creative.

IQ is actually the best predictor of success in the long run.

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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:18 pm

Better idea: leave the shitty inner city schools out when calculating the average, and the American education system immediately becomes #1!
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Postby Jolet » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:18 pm

Your poll is, um... Interesting. Rather narrow minded, but interesting. Needless to say, I will not be pidgeonholed by your perception of what I believe, and thus, will not answer it.

After briefly researching the idea of Steiner education, I think that it might- might- be a good idea in theory, but practice? What would this cost? How would unions take this? Where is the money for the retrofitting going to come from? How would the Feds regulate this? How could this be regulated?

Overall, in an idealistic sense it would work. Practically, it probably can't.

And that analysis doesn't make me a shill of Big Pharma, thank you very much.

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Postby Socialist Nordia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:19 pm

Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.

Public schools are seriously underfunded. That's the big problem.
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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:19 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Better idea: leave the shitty inner city schools out when calculating the average, and the American education system immediately becomes #1!

It isn't the worst thing we could do. Normally people just bomb or shoot them.
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Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.

Public schools are seriously underfunded. That's the big problem.
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Postby Kelinfort » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:19 pm

Benuty wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Better idea: leave the shitty inner city schools out when calculating the average, and the American education system immediately becomes #1!

It isn't the worst thing we could do. Normally people just bomb or shoot them.

Hey, China does it so we should too.

#MakeAmericanSchoolsGreatAgain

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Postby Eternal Summeria » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:21 pm

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Eternal Summeria wrote:But you are already countenancing the teaching of pro Establishment propaganda. Besides it's only propaganda if it's not true.

Schools as they exist teach a lot of propaganda. Schools as I propose teach no propaganda. Only truth.

Propaganda is a method of persuasion, using biased information to sway the audience to the propagandist's side- a definition your proposal certainly has inherent to its' nature. And propaganda is, of course, bullshit.

How can it be biased information if it is the truth? Nothing biased about Austrian economics, just objectively proven FACT. Also its in a Waldorf school so if anyone says bullshit things everyone will see right through them.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:21 pm

I object to the poll because there are no options for Kremlin shills.
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Postby Jolet » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:21 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Greater Istanistan wrote:Guys, this guy is literally called "Summeria".

I think that this is a wonderful parody of people who want to "fix education" without actually spending money on a horrendously underfunded system. Let's be honest, folks: public schools suck because they get no funding, not because they're public. Also, school choice is a joke made for religious indoctrination.

Public schools are seriously underfunded. That's the big problem.

I would blame unionization. Their pay scale is... Well, out of wack. They pay based on seniority, and typically pay administration before they pay teachers, and teachers before facilities. Rewrite the union terms, and you'd probably see drastic changes in the education system, at least on the public level.

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Postby Benuty » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:22 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:I object to the poll because there are no options for Kremlin shills.

Thankfully none for members of the Imperium either.
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Postby Cumberlanda » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:22 pm

OP probably shills for Big Pharma. I mean, if this is the opposition to Big Pharma, then I'd rather be on the side that makes Viagra.
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