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Postby New Dukaine » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:11 am

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INDIANAPOLIS — Put down the spoon or spatula from the mixing bowl.

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration announced it is no longer safe to eat raw cookie dough or batter — even if you're using a recipe that doesn't use raw eggs.

In fact, the administration said in a new consumer update posted Tuesday, it's not safe to eat raw flour in any form. Not homemade "play dough," not licking the spoon of brownie batter. Nothing.

Here's the deal: You know that raw eggs can carry salmonella, which is no good, but it turns out flour can harbor E. Coli, which also is nasty. The FDA says dozens have been sickened by the Shiga toxin-producing E. coli O121 after they ate raw flour. According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 38 people were infected in 20 states with illnesses starting in December.

According to the FDA, their investigation found that the raw dough that sickened patients had been made with General Mills flour made in a Kansas City, Mo., plant. Tests conducted by the FDA tied bacteria in a sample of flour to bacteria from people who had been sickened.

General Mills recalled flour products made between Nov. 14, 2015, and Dec. 4, 2015, under three brand names: Gold Medal, Signature Kitchens and Gold Medal Wondra. They included varieties of all-purpose, self-rising and unbleached flours.

Symptoms of this strain of E. coli include bloody diarrhea and abdominal cramps. While most people will bounce back within a week, it can even lead to kidney failure, especially among the elderly and children under 5.

It's true flour is not an ingredient most associate with a contamination risk.

"Flour is derived from a grain that comes directly from the field and typically is not treated to kill bacteria," said Leslie Smoot, a senior adviser in the FDA's Office of Food Safety, in a statement.

The FDA said an animal's waste could contaminate grain which is then made into flour. Any bacteria is killed, the agency said, through baking, boiling, roasting and frying. That step doesn't happen with raw dough, the agency said.

Food borne illness outbreaks linked to flour are extremely rare. Seattle food safety lawyer Bill Marler, widely regarded as an expert in the field, said the only other one he could recall was the 2009 recall of Nestle Toll House cookie dough, which was believed to be tied to the flour used to make the dough.

How can you avoid the bacteria? Cook all dough, including cookie dough, cake mix and batter, thoroughly. Wash your hands. Don't give kids raw dough to play with.

You can weep for a tiny sliver of happiness that has evaporated in the name of adulthood and safety.


Well this is weird. I think I even eat raw dough in my frozen yogurt sometimes. I think i can heed this warning, try to avoid raw dough.

So, NSG, what do you think about the warning? Can you relieve childhood memories from this?
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Postby Galloism » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:15 am

Seems to me the FDA's job is to protect people from contaminated food and drugs, and give them warnings about it.

Another government agency doing its job - clearly, we need to destroy it.
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Postby Ammerinia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:16 am

Dammit, now i can't fill my bathtub with cookie dough anymore.
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Postby New Dukaine » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:17 am

Ammerinia wrote:Dammit, now i can't fill my bathtub with cookie dough anymore.

Me either. I wish i still could

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Postby Tsaraine » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:19 am

Truly, this is the darkest timeline.

Still, they do say that flour-related contamination is rare, so I think if your flour doesn't come from a General Mills plant in Kansas City, Mo., you're probably okay.

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Postby New Rogernomics » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:21 am

I did it all the time back in New Zealand, but the food-quality standards are way better there, plus universal healthcare if I ever got sick.
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Postby Pope Joan » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:23 am

The solution: Buy Robin Hood flour. their new Nutri Flour blends in 50% whole wheat and is recommended as quite wholesome.

http://www.robinhood.ca/Products/Nutri-Flour-Blend


King Arthur, maintaining its proud traditions in Norwich Vermont, offers 100% organic products.

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop-hom ... x269703486
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Postby Xadufell » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:25 am

So does that mean I can't smother myself in cookie dough anymore?
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Postby Alvecia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:33 am

Sounds more like a "Now we know you're going to ignore us, but we're obliged to tell you that...."

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Postby Pythagaslavia » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:34 am

No more cookie dough ice cream, what has this world come to? They are evil!
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Postby Frank Zipper » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:37 am

So those weren't chocolate chips.
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Postby The United Holy German Reich » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:39 am

I'm suing the FDA over this.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:47 am

Pope Joan wrote:The solution: Buy Robin Hood flour. their new Nutri Flour blends in 50% whole wheat and is recommended as quite wholesome.

http://www.robinhood.ca/Products/Nutri-Flour-Blend


King Arthur, maintaining its proud traditions in Norwich Vermont, offers 100% organic products.

http://www.kingarthurflour.com/shop-hom ... x269703486


How is this relevant in the slightest? E.coli is 100% organic and all natural. Organic whole wheat can carry E.coli just as much as any other.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:50 am

Alvecia wrote:Sounds more like a "Now we know you're going to ignore us, but we're obliged to tell you that...."


Well yes, we will ignore them.
Because "It's true flour is not an ingredient most associate with a contamination risk."
"Food borne illness outbreaks linked to flour are extremely rare."

You can get E.coli from literally any food, flour is not a particularly high risk source. You cannot avoid all risks, and the risk from flour is low, so really who cares? You chance of getting E.coli from flour is negligible anyway.

Every thing causes cancer, everything can carry disease. If flour had a significant E.coli risk I would care. It does not. This is alarmist BS as it says the risk is extremely small. I am not going to lock my self up in a clean room my whole life. Everything in life is dangerous. Some things more than others, and some things unnecessarily so. But the very rare possibility I might possibly get flower based E.coli is not on my list of things to worry about.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:51 am

I'm not sure if my mom even let me eat raw cookie dough, but this is one less reason not to.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:56 am

Now what are we supposed to do at sleepovers?

:(

FDA is just doing its job, like DoctorW.H.O. when they said bacon causes cancer.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:57 am

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I'm not sure if my mom even let me eat raw cookie dough, but this is one less reason not to.


Not really
"Food borne illness outbreaks linked to flour are extremely rare."

You cannot worry about every extremely rare problem.
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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 30, 2016 8:59 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Now what are we supposed to do at sleepovers?

:(

FDA is just doing its job, like DoctorW.H.O. when they said bacon causes cancer.


I would say they are not, as they equate "extremely rare" with "not safe". They should just say E.coli from cookie dough is possible but extremely rare. That does NOT make flour unsafe.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:01 am

Novus America wrote:
The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I'm not sure if my mom even let me eat raw cookie dough, but this is one less reason not to.


Not really
"Food borne illness outbreaks linked to flour are extremely rare."

You cannot worry about every extremely rare problem.

Fair enough. I rarely get an opportunity to eat the stuff unless it's in ice cream.
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Postby The Portland Territory » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:02 am

Eh, cookie dough is my shit. I aint gonna give it up :lol:
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Novus America wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:Now what are we supposed to do at sleepovers?

:(

FDA is just doing its job, like DoctorW.H.O. when they said bacon causes cancer.


I would say they are not, as they equate "extremely rare" with "not safe". They should just say E.coli form cookie dough is possible but extremely rare. That does NOT make flour unsafe.


Ehh... even dough yes, that is a pun it's rare, kidney failure is still really really really bad.

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
I would say they are not, as they equate "extremely rare" with "not safe". They should just say E.coli form cookie dough is possible but extremely rare. That does NOT make flour unsafe.


Ehh... even dough yes, that is a pun it's rare, kidney failure is still really really really bad.


So? Getting decapitated by a mountain lion is really, really bad. Should you never hike just because the very rare chance a mountain lion might attack you? No.

You have to consider the probability as well as the severity. If there was a signifgant probability yes, it would be worth worrying about. There is not.
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Novus America wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Sounds more like a "Now we know you're going to ignore us, but we're obliged to tell you that...."


Well yes, we will ignore them.
Because "It's true flour is not an ingredient most associate with a contamination risk."
"Food borne illness outbreaks linked to flour are extremely rare."

You can get E.coli from literally any food, flour is not a particularly high risk source. You cannot avoid all risks, and the risk from flour is low, so really who cares? You chance of getting E.coli from flour is negligible anyway.

Every thing causes cancer, everything can carry disease. If flour had a significant E.coli risk I would care. It does not. This is alarmist BS as it says the risk is extremely small. I am not going to lock my self up in a clean room my whole life. Everything in life is dangerous. Some things more than others, and some things unnecessarily so. But the very rare possibility I might possibly get flower based E.coli is not on my list of things to worry about.

I wouldn't blame the FDA for this, it's literally their job to do this kind of thing. Blame the media organisations who act like this is the end of the world as we know it.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:14 am

Novus America wrote:
The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Ehh... even dough yes, that is a pun it's rare, kidney failure is still really really really bad.


So? Getting decapitated by a mountain lion is really, really bad. Should you never hike just because the very rare chance a mountain lion might attack you? No.

You have to consider the probability as well as the severity. If there was a signifgant probability yes, it would be worth worrying about. There is not.


There is a lot more raw cookie dough then mountain lions. Couple that with all the kids who are having sleepovers and there could be a big problem.

The FDA is just doing its job and warning people about it.

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Postby Novus America » Thu Jun 30, 2016 9:18 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Novus America wrote:
So? Getting decapitated by a mountain lion is really, really bad. Should you never hike just because the very rare chance a mountain lion might attack you? No.

You have to consider the probability as well as the severity. If there was a signifgant probability yes, it would be worth worrying about. There is not.


There is a lot more raw cookie dough then mountain lions. Couple that with all the kids who are having sleepovers and there could be a big problem.

The FDA is just doing its job and warning people about it.


There is however, extremely little E.coli in flour.
There is a lot of hiking too.

You have it backwards. Cookie dough is the hiking, not the mountain lion.

There is not a "big problem". Nor will there be. People have been eating cookie dough a long time. The risk of E.coli is not increasing. This will always be an "extremely rare" risk of this being a problem.

Like I said the FDA should mention it but emphasize the "extremely rare" part. Not make a big deal of it.
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