UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Aquesta]

Are the pro-EU's really going to try and overturn a democratic decision with a petition? Quite unsurprising.

The petition is to have parliament consider debating the issue. Good effort, though, you were this close to defeating the EU forever.

So yea they do want to overturn the democratic will of the people just like the Lisbon treaty again eh? What are you on about? this close to defeating the EU? what?

[Vassenor]

Why should they talk? What right do they have to interfere in another country's affairs?

Such a thing as expats exist.

js

Even if the Electoral Commission apparently tried to pretend they don't exist.

[Greater Mackonia]

Like, how dare people who disagree with me even talk amirite?!!!

Its a perfectly legitimate concern. There's no way to verify those people are necessarily British citizens.

Why is that even a problem when even by your own count there are more than 100,000 UK signatures, and it is law that the petition be debated on so long as the number on that webpage reads a number bigger than or equal to 100,000? What does it tangibly change whether it's 100,000 UK citizens and 2.5 million French people, donkeys, hackers, AI bots, or whatever? I'm not saying they are (IR showed you how to extract the data and see for yourself how your previous numbers were fictitious), but what would it change?

I was not making any claim with that data. Just tossing it out there, not really making any argument for or against the petition.

Far as I'm concerned petitions are pretty irrelevant by now unless the EU goes full Soros on Brexit and actually tries to reverse it.

I mean, whatever your political alignments and views on the subject, you can surely see how its not a good idea to set a precedent whereby the moment a petition gets more votes than the initial decision, that decision and the whole process which preceded it is overturned. What if, a week later after the UK parliament decided the results of the referendum were non-binding due to a record breaking petition, the Leave campaign started their own to reinstate the binding results of the last referendum which attracted more than or equal to the Remain petition? You would logically have to admit it as valid. What if after every General Election petitions were called denouncing the results, all of them reaching the majority amount? People naturally rebel against what they have you open the door to constant regret voting and there'll be no stable government.

[Aquesta]

Why should they talk? What right do they have to interfere in another country's affairs?

You're British then, I take it. (and I don't mean from the British isles).

Irish it's in my sig mate.

[Souseiseki]

The BBC has been told that Britain could be forced to start negotiating its departure from the EU earlier than the government had planned.

David Cameron wants to delay the start of exit talks until a new Conservative leader has been elected in October.

But Derrick Wyatt QC, emeritus professor of law at Oxford University, told the BBC that the European Council - representing the 27 other member states - could trigger the negotiating process as soon as the prime minister discusses Brexit with other EU leaders.

EU foreign ministers have joined the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, in urging the UK to begin talks as soon as possible.


Or to put it another way the EU can't force us to trigger Article 50, but as soon as Cameron says something akin to 'So, about that Brexit...' they may be able to jump out of the woodwork going 'THAT COUNTS!' and Article 50 is triggered.

oh my god we are all children

[Aquesta]

Why should they talk? What right do they have to interfere in another country's affairs?

Such a thing as expats exist.

js

I know mate. You got any evidence to show that they are all expats?

[Valaran]

Irish it's in my sig mate.

Indeed. In that case, by your own logic, I have no clue why you should voice an opinion on another country's affairs. Move along, non-citizen.

[Greater Mackonia]

Like, how dare people who disagree with me even talk amirite?!!!

Its a perfectly legitimate concern. There's no way to verify those people are necessarily British citizens.

And if they aren't British citizens, then how dare they even talk.

They can talk all they like. They just can't vote.

Unless you're offering me a chance to pick the next Taoisheik or whatever the fuck he's called.

[Arkolon]

Why is that even a problem when even by your own count there are more than 100,000 UK signatures, and it is law that the petition be debated on so long as the number on that webpage reads a number bigger than or equal to 100,000? What does it tangibly change whether it's 100,000 UK citizens and 2.5 million French people, donkeys, hackers, AI bots, or whatever? I'm not saying they are (IR showed you how to extract the data and see for yourself how your previous numbers were fictitious), but what would it change?

I was not making any claim with that data. Just tossing it out there, not really making any argument for or against the petition.

Far as I'm concerned petitions are pretty irrelevant by now unless the EU goes full Soros on Brexit and actually tries to reverse it.

I mean, whatever your political alignments and views on the subject, you can surely see how its not a good idea to set a precedent whereby the moment a petition gets more votes than the initial decision, that decision and the whole process which preceded it is overturned. What if, a week later after the UK parliament decided the results of the referendum were non-binding due to a record breaking petition, the Leave campaign started their own to reinstate the binding results of the last referendum which attracted more than or equal to the Remain petition? You would logically have to admit it as valid. What if after every General Election petitions were called denouncing the results, all of them reaching the majority amount? People naturally rebel against what they have you open the door to constant regret voting and there'll be no stable government.

You are aware that the petition is just to debate, not enforce?

[Quaxoglia]

My solution:

-Alba (Scotland) independent (First, I was strongly against. But now, I support it 100%)
-Northern Ireland: Reunion with the Republic (not full integration, but a diffrent statute within the R.O.I.)
-London should be a member of the European Union.

And maby there should be a referendum in Wales Cyumru and Cornwall aswell.

There is no inclination that Northern Ireland wants to unite with Ireland.

Northern Ireland part of the UK is a big historic mistake.
Just like Scotland that's part of the UK.
They're Celtic, there are huge diffrences between England (selfish) and the rest of the UK.

[Aquesta]

Irish it's in my sig mate.

Indeed. In that case, by your own logic, I have no clue why you should voice an opinion on another country's affairs. Move along, non-citizen.

I'm not. Did I sign a petition? I'm giving out to you lads.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

There is no inclination that Northern Ireland wants to unite with Ireland.

Northern Ireland part of the UK is a big historic mistake.
Just like Scotland that's part of the UK.
They're Celtic.

Ireland, N-Ireland and Scotland should form one large Celtic Union!

[Tobiasia]

Are the pro-EU's really going to try and overturn a democratic decision with a petition? Quite unsurprising.

Boris agree with this one as well and concludes that it is a jolly-on scallywag eton boys on, oiks down bravo top-hat whiskey-war lager-loving spiffingky good opinion on the subject.

[Greater Mackonia]

I was not making any claim with that data. Just tossing it out there, not really making any argument for or against the petition.

Far as I'm concerned petitions are pretty irrelevant by now unless the EU goes full Soros on Brexit and actually tries to reverse it.

I mean, whatever your political alignments and views on the subject, you can surely see how its not a good idea to set a precedent whereby the moment a petition gets more votes than the initial decision, that decision and the whole process which preceded it is overturned. What if, a week later after the UK parliament decided the results of the referendum were non-binding due to a record breaking petition, the Leave campaign started their own to reinstate the binding results of the last referendum which attracted more than or equal to the Remain petition? You would logically have to admit it as valid. What if after every General Election petitions were called denouncing the results, all of them reaching the majority amount? People naturally rebel against what they have you open the door to constant regret voting and there'll be no stable government.

You are aware that the petition is just to debate, not enforce?

I'm entirely aware as to how the petition system works in the House of Commons.

[Ostroeuropa]

The BBC has been told that Britain could be forced to start negotiating its departure from the EU earlier than the government had planned.

David Cameron wants to delay the start of exit talks until a new Conservative leader has been elected in October.

But Derrick Wyatt QC, emeritus professor of law at Oxford University, told the BBC that the European Council - representing the 27 other member states - could trigger the negotiating process as soon as the prime minister discusses Brexit with other EU leaders.

EU foreign ministers have joined the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, in urging the UK to begin talks as soon as possible.


Or to put it another way the EU can't force us to trigger Article 50, but as soon as Cameron says something akin to 'So, about that Brexit...' they may be able to jump out of the woodwork going 'THAT COUNTS!' and Article 50 is triggered.

oh my god we are all children

The EU has basically forced the UK into a position where the status quo may now become, the UK shuts up FOREVER about brexit, or actually goes through with it, because the next time we mention it, they'll kick us out.
That's kind of funny.

[Aquesta]

Are the pro-EU's really going to try and overturn a democratic decision with a petition? Quite unsurprising.

Boris agree with this one as well and concludes that it is a jolly-on scallywag eton boys on, oiks down bravo top-hat whiskey-war lager-loving spiffingky good opinion on the subject.

Great debate mate top stuff.

[Ifreann]

The petition is to have parliament consider debating the issue. Good effort, though, you were this close to defeating the EU forever.

So yea they do want to overturn the democratic will of the people

Since when is Parliament considering having a debate overturning the will of the people?

just like the Lisbon treaty again eh?

As a ten year old I'm sure you were following events closely.

What are you on about? this close to defeating the EU? what?

I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.

[Tobiasia]

The petition is to have parliament consider debating the issue. Good effort, though, you were this close to defeating the EU forever.

And we would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling petitioners!

Not to mention you students who actually want a future.

[Greater Mackonia]

The BBC has been told that Britain could be forced to start negotiating its departure from the EU earlier than the government had planned.

David Cameron wants to delay the start of exit talks until a new Conservative leader has been elected in October.

But Derrick Wyatt QC, emeritus professor of law at Oxford University, told the BBC that the European Council - representing the 27 other member states - could trigger the negotiating process as soon as the prime minister discusses Brexit with other EU leaders.

EU foreign ministers have joined the European Commission president, Jean-Claude Juncker, in urging the UK to begin talks as soon as possible.


Or to put it another way the EU can't force us to trigger Article 50, but as soon as Cameron says something akin to 'So, about that Brexit...' they may be able to jump out of the woodwork going 'THAT COUNTS!' and Article 50 is triggered.

oh my god we are all children

The EU has basically forced the UK into a position where the status quo may now become, the UK shuts up FOREVER about brexit, or actually goes through with it, because the next time we mention it, they'll kick us out.
That's kind of funny.

That Jean-Claude.

He is a funny man.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.

It always manages to crack me up. Please never leave.

[Arkolon]

You are aware that the petition is just to debate, not enforce?

I'm entirely aware as to how the petition system works in the House of Commons.

So what's the point of your imaginary "What Ifs" somehow demonstrating how this petition receiving >100,000 signatures sets some kind of precedent, when its only legal basis is requiring the Commons to only debate it, at the very least?

[Valaran]

I'm not. Did I sign a petition? I'm giving out to you lads.

You are posting your opinion on affairs of another nation though. And as you say:

Why should they talk? What right do they have to interfere in another country's affairs?

Clearly, you are talking (or rather, typing) about this. You are setting up constraints for us about should who is allowed to express an opinion on our matter and how. I don't know about you, but that looks an awful lot like interference.

[Quaxoglia]

Northern Ireland part of the UK is a big historic mistake.
Just like Scotland that's part of the UK.
They're Celtic.

Ireland, N-Ireland and Scotland should form one large Celtic Union!

Maby it can include regions like Brittany, Flanders, Frisia and Cornwall aswell?

[Tobiasia]

Boris agree with this one as well and concludes that it is a jolly-on scallywag eton boys on, oiks down bravo top-hat whiskey-war lager-loving spiffingky good opinion on the subject.

Great debate mate top stuff.

Why thank you.

[Souseiseki]

I'm mocking you. It's okay, my humour doesn't tickle every funny bone.

irish civil war ii: spread the joy