UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Greater Mackonia]

Two years in which secessionist sentiment can only grow.

Yes, secessionist sentiment like in Scotland. Or republican sentiment in N-Ireland, I suppose.

Which the British government is in a significantly better position to ignore than the EU.

[Neu Leonstein]

I know absolutely nothing of your circumstances. I cannot comment with any degree of veracity on you personally, and I don't see why you're trying to bring yourself into it.

Because I can talk with great certainty about my own motivations, and your statement is in part a statement about me. So I know that it is untrue.

[New Alyssia]

I think we will see Scottish Independence within the next 10 - 15 years.
Northern Ireland won't unite with the Republic because that's basically asking for civil war in Ireland.

[Souseiseki]

so mate what's your plan for negotiations

It all sorts itself. I'm not getting in a dingy to go and make easy trade deals, South Korea, USA, Canada, ect all that good markets are all opening arms to continue trading as usual. You just need to ride the wave friend.

the USA is currently negotiating with the largest trade bloc in the world for a massive deal. the part they were relying on as their foot in the door shoots themselves in the foot and leaves. the USA immediately jump to make an "easy" deal with a bunch of inexperienced twats who haven't had to do it in decades during a period where no one is all that sure what is happening or what the actual regulations the UK will be following re: the EU will be. why?

[Greater Mackonia]

It all sorts itself. I'm not getting in a dingy to go and make easy trade deals, South Korea, USA, Canada, ect all that good markets are all opening arms to continue trading as usual. You just need to ride the wave friend.

the USA is currently negotiating with the largest trade bloc in the world for a massive deal. the part they were relying on as their foot in the door shoots themselves in the foot and leaves. the USA immediately jump to make an "easy" deal with a bunch of inexperienced twats who haven't had to do it in decades during a period where no one is all that sure what is happening or what the actual regulations the UK will be following re: the EU will be. why?

You're forgetting our Trump card.

[Neu Leonstein]

Which the British government is in a significantly better position to ignore than the EU.

Except, as Glamour has been at pains to point out, it is not.

[Ararat Mountain]

Ok guys, the petition is absolute rubbish.
Remain lost by well over 1 MILLION votes, so suck it up.
No petitions will make any difference, you lost a democratic referendum.

[Vassenor]

the USA is currently negotiating with the largest trade bloc in the world for a massive deal. the part they were relying on as their foot in the door shoots themselves in the foot and leaves. the USA immediately jump to make an "easy" deal with a bunch of inexperienced twats who haven't had to do it in decades during a period where no one is all that sure what is happening or what the actual regulations the UK will be following re: the EU will be. why?

You're forgetting our Trump card.

Who's busy alienating the entire electorate and getting insulted by the Scottish on twitter.

[Vassenor]

Ok guys, the petition is absolute rubbish.
Remain lost by well over 1 MILLION votes, so suck it up.
No petitions will make any difference, you lost a democratic referendum.

Wouldn't you be mad if you voted for something on the basis of lies?

[Ifreann]

What the public wants is no muslim immigration.

Oh, well that's totally not racist at all. No sir!

inb4 Islam not a-

Islam is an Ideology, not a race.

-shit.

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You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.

Yeah, we know, we discussed for a few pages.

You're aware that the petitions are responded to by the Government if they reach 10,000 signatures and considered for debate in Parliament if they reach 100,000 signatures, yes? So even if one only counts the 350,000 signatures you think are legitimate(some Britons live abroad, PROTIP) it still passes the 100,000 threshold.

Or are you trying to change the rules after the fact because you don't like the results?

[CoraSpia]

the USA is currently negotiating with the largest trade bloc in the world for a massive deal. the part they were relying on as their foot in the door shoots themselves in the foot and leaves. the USA immediately jump to make an "easy" deal with a bunch of inexperienced twats who haven't had to do it in decades during a period where no one is all that sure what is happening or what the actual regulations the UK will be following re: the EU will be. why?

You're forgetting our Trump card.

Trump does the best deals and, most importantly, both knows words and has the best words.

[Souseiseki]

"So I feel like Im missing a trick because the Leave campaign had three pillars of end EU 'red tape', end freedom of movement with the EU and stop sending money to the EU. In the past couple of days they've admitted that in order to have a trade agreement with the EU the UK will have to abide by EU legislation, accept free movement of labour with the EU and pay into the EU to be allowed access. What exactly were Leave aiming to achieve here and how do they explain this situation to all the angry people they've made promises to (beyond hoping they dont notice)? "

IT NEVER GETS OLD

[Ararat Mountain]

Ok guys, the petition is absolute rubbish.
Remain lost by well over 1 MILLION votes, so suck it up.
No petitions will make any difference, you lost a democratic referendum.

Wouldn't you be mad if you voted for something on the basis of lies?

Absolutely, but I didn't vote remain.
So I don't know what you're talking about

[Great Nepal]

You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.

1. 350,000 > 100,000
2. About 4.5 to 5.5 million British citizens live outside of the EU; who are entitled to vote in the referendum, sign the petition and take part in the political process as every one else. So unless you have evidence the people who signed are not actual British citizens...?

[CoraSpia]

Ok guys, the petition is absolute rubbish.
Remain lost by well over 1 MILLION votes, so suck it up.
No petitions will make any difference, you lost a democratic referendum.

Wouldn't you be mad if you voted for something on the basis of lies?

But that list of 'lies' from the I paper was utter bullshit. None of them were lies.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

You're forgetting our Trump card.

Trump does the best deals and, most importantly, both knows words and has the best words.

Trump has the best haircut! His haircut is better than BoJo's.

[New Alyssia]

Ok guys, the petition is absolute rubbish.
Remain lost by well over 1 MILLION votes, so suck it up.
No petitions will make any difference, you lost a democratic referendum.

Wouldn't you be mad if you voted for something on the basis of lies?

Please, tell me what exactly the Leave campaign has lied about?

I can think of several things the Remain campaign has lied about - 10 year long exit deals, emergency tax rate rises, the idea that we gained anything from Cameron's renegotiation, that Turkey would never join the EU, that Putin supports leave, etc.

[Mad hatters in jeans]

16 million people voted for remain, so 2 million means nothing, since it's literally just 2 million of the 16 million remain voters who can't let go, exactly the same would of happened if we'd of voted to leave. Labour lost the election in 2015, it wouldn't of meant anything if all the Labour voters decided to start a petition to have a re-election. They lost.

It is possible for them to receive a huge amount of signatures. Many leave voters say they wouldn't have voted leave if they knew they were actually going to win, it was just as a protest. Remain knows it would win a 2nd referendum, so it must try.

Doesn't seem like much point in trying again the damage is already done.

You all got on David Cameron's magical carpet ride admittedly even he rage quit his own ride but that's no reason to despair. I'm sure the magical carpet will bring us to somewhere far from here.

You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.

Hear Hear!!!

What a fantastic victory for democracy. I can already hear the cheering.

[Vassenor]

Wouldn't you be mad if you voted for something on the basis of lies?

Absolutely, but I didn't vote remain.
So I don't know what you're talking about

You mean like Leave lied about pumping the £350million a week into the NHS, limiting immigration and being able to get no-strings-attached trade deals with the EU?

[CoraSpia]

You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.

1. 350,000 > 100,000
2. About 4.5 to 5.5 million British citizens live outside of the EU; who are entitled to vote in the referendum, sign the petition and take part in the political process as every one else. So unless you have evidence the people who signed are not actual British citizens...?

1.65 million out of 4.5 million is a pretty high organisation rate for a disconnected group of expats living around the world.

[Ararat Mountain]

Even if this sad, butthurt petition makes it through. It will NEVER make it through to Parliament if it even gets there.

[Vassenor]

1. 350,000 > 100,000
2. About 4.5 to 5.5 million British citizens live outside of the EU; who are entitled to vote in the referendum, sign the petition and take part in the political process as every one else. So unless you have evidence the people who signed are not actual British citizens...?

1.65 million out of 4.5 million is a pretty high organisation rate for a disconnected group of expats living around the world.

So what you're saying is that because you don't think it can be possible, it must be impossible?

[Imperializt Russia]

You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.

Debunked an hour ago.

http://i.imgur.com/plFQksq.jpg

If you sum up the country data, there are presently 365,483 "UK" signatures, but every other country added together amounts to only 86,750.

So clearly, it's not the full figures.
the sum of all 650 constituencies is 2,233,767

You can find this easily yourself - the JSON data is available here:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json
This website converts JSON data to an Excel CSV file:
https://json-csv.com/
And you can, as I just have, sum all the data fields to establish the totals.

The "countries" data appears to record shit all, and only 87,000 are "from" other countries.

The constituency totals records the total number of signatures, over 2.3 million.

[Ifreann]

I think we will see Scottish Independence within the next 10 - 15 years.
Northern Ireland won't unite with the Republic because that's basically asking for civil war in Ireland.

No it's not.

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Trump does the best deals and, most importantly, both knows words and has the best words.

Trump has the best haircut! His haircut is better than BoJo's.

Has anyone ever seen Trump's hair and BoJo's hair in the same room?

[Vassenor]

Even if this sad, butthurt petition makes it through. It will NEVER make it through to Parliament if it even gets there.

[citation needed]