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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:49 pm

Tobiasia wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Their was 2 people on the news who said that, I'd wager there's a lot more people who were going to vote leave but chickened out due to fear over the Jo Cox murder (which literally wrecked leave in the polls) or were taken back by the absurd WW3/ISIS/Global recession scaremongering from remain.

"Global recession". Take a look at the stock market on your phone. Not quite a recession, but pretty awful. I imagine many leave voters were swayed your way by a quite racist and factually pointless immigration debate. If we want the free market, we have to have immigration.


As i've pointed out elsewhere, and as Vassenors link has brexiters themselves point out, almost nobody gives a fuck about european immigrants.
They just don't like muslim immigrants.

It isn't a coincidence that the Brexit side started winning during the refugee crisis, and due to them shouting TURKEY as loud as they could.

The problem is, the DAS RACISS!!!! crowd simply wouldn't let anyone differentiate between immigrants, so everything became coded dogwhistling and all immigration got criticized strongly.

What the public wants is no muslim immigration.

Which could have been resolved by a british government:

1. Promising to perpetually veto turkeys admission
2. Stopping immigration from outside the EU, which would have cut total migration in half.
3. Refusing to take in refugees.

Instead everybody was forced to talk in coded language to prevent the SocJus crowd going apeshit that someone was, once again, pointing out their ideas don't line up with the reality people experience.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:49 pm

Dejanic wrote:
Tobiasia wrote:It is possible for them to receive a huge amount of signatures. Many leave voters say they wouldn't have voted leave if they knew they were actually going to win, it was just as a protest. Remain knows it would win a 2nd referendum, so it must try.

Their was 2 people on the news who said that, I'd wager there's a lot more people who were going to vote leave but chickened out due to fear over the Jo Cox murder (which literally wrecked leave in the polls) or were taken back by the absurd WW3/ISIS/Global recession scaremongering from remain.

Literally wrecked Leave so hard they still did better than anticipated regardless.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:50 pm

Ararat Mountain wrote:The pound looks like it's going to stabilize at $1.38.
And FTSE 100 is the same as it was in June.

Just news, I'm no economist but it sure doesn't look like the end times. Please explain what the stable currency means?


That the current negotiations talk and tone of the UK towards the EU and vice versa (although grudgingly) is stabilizing the pound.

People are cautiously investing in the pound. While good, I would not sing victory yet.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:51 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:Was I replying to you? Reading comprehension again.

It doesn't matter who the quote was in response to, don't obfuscate. Your claim is that non-citizen residents' loyalties lie with other nations. You're wrong about this, and I know that because I am a non-citizen resident. If you like, I can respond to the earlier post with a separate "Plain, simple, and wrong." But it's not necessary - you already made your claim about my loyalties, and it is 100% BS.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:51 pm

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:What the public wants is no muslim immigration.

Oh, well that's totally not racist at all. No sir!


You're forgetting it's not racist to hate Muslims because reasons.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:52 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Ararat Mountain wrote:The pound looks like it's going to stabilize at $1.38.
And FTSE 100 is the same as it was in June.

Just news, I'm no economist but it sure doesn't look like the end times. Please explain what the stable currency means?


That the current negotiations talk and tone of the UK towards the EU and vice versa (although grudgingly) is stabilizing the pound.

People are cautiously investing in the pound. While good, I would not sing victory yet.


See, I said, we can stabilise things throughout the negotiations, markets are driven by brute sentiment, so long as we give the appearance everything is fine - we can drag out two nice juicy years fighting for the best deal.
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Postby Razgriskm » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:52 pm

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Also, Sargon made a based video on all of this. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vpo9qzsfL4

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:52 pm

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:What the public wants is no muslim immigration.

Oh, well that's totally not racist at all. No sir!


Islam is an Ideology, not a race.
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Postby Eredion » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:53 pm

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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:54 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Was I replying to you? Reading comprehension again.

It doesn't matter who the quote was in response to, don't obfuscate. Your claim is that non-citizen residents' loyalties lie with other nations. You're wrong about this, and I know that because I am a non-citizen resident. If you like, I can respond to the earlier post with a separate "Plain, simple, and wrong." But it's not necessary - you already made your claim about my loyalties, and it is 100% BS.


I know absolutely nothing of your circumstances. I cannot comment with any degree of veracity on you personally, and I don't see why you're trying to bring yourself into it.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:54 pm

Razgriskm wrote:(Image)

Also, Sargon made a based video on all of this. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vpo9qzsfL4


so mate what's your plan for negotiations
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:54 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
That the current negotiations talk and tone of the UK towards the EU and vice versa (although grudgingly) is stabilizing the pound.

People are cautiously investing in the pound. While good, I would not sing victory yet.


See, I said, we can stabilise things throughout the negotiations, markets are driven by brute sentiment, so long as we give the appearance everything is fine - we can drag out two nice juicy years fighting for the best deal.


That is, IF you guys can take advantage of the "business as usual" cautious attitude of investors.

You have a window of two years to choose what to do with your economy.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:55 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:
See, I said, we can stabilise things throughout the negotiations, markets are driven by brute sentiment, so long as we give the appearance everything is fine - we can drag out two nice juicy years fighting for the best deal.


That is, IF you guys can take advantage of the "business as usual" cautious attitude of investors.

You have a window of two years to choose what to do with your economy.


Two years in which secessionist sentiment can only grow.
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Postby New Alyssia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:55 pm

You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:56 pm

The fact is that in or out the main priority is getting control of the country back from those people who decided to throw the rest of us off a cliff just because they don't want to see brown people around.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:57 pm

New Alyssia wrote:You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.


We've already covered this. Even if "only" 350,000 people from the UK signed it then that's still way over the threshold for a petition to get a parliamentary debate.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:57 pm

Vassenor wrote:The fact is that in or out the main priority is getting control of the country back from those people who decided to throw the rest of us off a cliff just because they don't want to see brown people around.


What an insightful comment.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:57 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
That is, IF you guys can take advantage of the "business as usual" cautious attitude of investors.

You have a window of two years to choose what to do with your economy.


Two years in which secessionist sentiment can only grow.


Are we basing our decisions on ideologies or on your pocket?

I'm basing my reasoning on my pocket.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:57 pm

Ararat Mountain wrote:The pound looks like it's stable since yesterday at $1.38.

It is the weekend. And last I saw it was 1.3679.

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You know, the numbers on the scales are relevant. :roll:
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:57 pm

Tobiasia wrote:
Dejanic wrote:16 million people voted for remain, so 2 million means nothing, since it's literally just 2 million of the 16 million remain voters who can't let go, exactly the same would of happened if we'd of voted to leave. Labour lost the election in 2015, it wouldn't of meant anything if all the Labour voters decided to start a petition to have a re-election. They lost.

It is possible for them to receive a huge amount of signatures. Many leave voters say they wouldn't have voted leave if they knew they were actually going to win, it was just as a protest. Remain knows it would win a 2nd referendum, so it must try.

Thats a stupid argument to make. If you wanted to remain then you should have voted that way. Its so easy to say that after the fact.

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Postby Razgriskm » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:58 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Razgriskm wrote:(Image)

Also, Sargon made a based video on all of this. Enjoy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vpo9qzsfL4


so mate what's your plan for negotiations


It all sorts itself. I'm not getting in a dingy to go and make easy trade deals, South Korea, USA, Canada, ect all that good markets are all opening arms to continue trading as usual. You just need to ride the wave friend.

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Postby The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:58 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
That is, IF you guys can take advantage of the "business as usual" cautious attitude of investors.

You have a window of two years to choose what to do with your economy.


Two years in which secessionist sentiment can only grow.

Yes, secessionist sentiment like in Scotland. Or republican sentiment in N-Ireland, I suppose.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:58 pm

New Alyssia wrote:You know that petition for a second referendum that has 2 million + signatures?
Only 350,000 of the signatures are from residents of the UK. Over 1.65 million of them are by foreign people who are trying to make the UK have a second referendum.
Hopefully the UK government, realising the the majority of signatures are by people who have no rights to make an impact on UK domestic matters by signing, will discard the issue swiftly and stick with the democratic result.

Hear Hear!!!

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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:59 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:
Two years in which secessionist sentiment can only grow.


Are we basing our decisions on ideologies or on your pocket?

I'm basing my reasoning on my pocket.


That had nothing to do with my point, or are you just keen to pursue that old fish again?
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