UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No, but anyone who is a permanent resident of a country and can expect to be around for the length of the term of whatever is being elected could reasonably ask why their views aren't being considered. If I work in the UK on my German passport, I am subject to UK laws and policies and I pay taxes that fund UK government spending. It seems reasonable that I should also have a say in the government that rules me, no?

If your not citizen you don't get a say in government. You don't get a say in a referendum or who the Prime Minister is. I;m sorry to be harsh but that's how it goes.

Says the foreigner to UK trying to convince people from the UK in a forum about getting fucked up their ass and that instead of crying of horror to enjoy it.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

I mean, they only need 100,000 valid signatories to have it debated in Parliament, right? Even if only 10% of the signatories are valid, they'll easily reach that number.

[Neu Leonstein]

Residents owe loyalty to other states and are not part of the nation. Its simple as that.

You know perfectly well that it is not as simple as that. First of all, dual citizenships are a thing. Secondly, plenty of people don't feel like they "owe loyalty" to any state, and there is no mechanism to make them do anything. I'm not some sort of agent of the German government because I hold a German passport.

[Dejanic]

Don't expect a genuine answer that doesn't involve twisting of the facts or outright insults. This is NSG, Karl Marx himself would blush if he read some of the comments these absolute warriors make on a daily basis.

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... um-result/

1: Daniel Hannan isn't going to be Prime Minister, he's unlikely to even serve in the cabinet, he doesn't speak for leave, the whole immigration thing is his personal hope (Hannaan has always been pro immigration, he's always opposed the EU purely on democratic and economic terms).

2: Boris Johnson and others stated support for Cameron to stay on, the leave campaign did not kick him out or vote him or anything of the sort, he resigned, it was his choice to resign, he could of stayed on and pushed article 50.

3: No where on the battle bus or elsewhere did it say all 350 million would go to the NHS, it say's "lets fund our NHS" which implies a percentage of said money would go to the NHS, not all of it.

4: The pound crashed and went straight back up again. It means very little. The pound also crashed a few weeks ago. The pound rises and falls all the time. Unless we see a consistent fall over the coming weeks/months, it means nothing.

[San Lumen]

If your not citizen you don't get a say in government. You don't get a say in a referendum or who the Prime Minister is. I;m sorry to be harsh but that's how it goes.

But that isn't how it goes. I'm currently living with an Australian and a Maltese. We all went to vote in Thursday, as is our right in the UK.

That's because your a British Citizen. if someone who is for example a German Citizen working in London they should not have say because they are not a UK citizen.

[Souseiseki]

lol johnson only signed that letter because he tohught leave was fucked and he was trying to not get slaughtered in the aftermath

[Neu Leonstein]

If your not citizen you don't get a say in government. You don't get a say in a referendum or who the Prime Minister is. I;m sorry to be harsh but that's how it goes.

I repeat: I know what the rules are. I want to know what the justification is, because I have yet to hear one that actually makes sense.

[Fartsniffage]

But that isn't how it goes. I'm currently living with an Australian and a Maltese. We all went to vote in Thursday, as is our right in the UK.

That's because your a British Citizen. if someone who is for example a German Citizen working in London they should not have say because they are not a UK citizen.

I am, they're not. Did you see the bit where I said they are an Australian and a Maltese?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

lol johnson only signed that letter because he tohught leave was fucked and he was trying to not get slaughtered in the aftermath

Shows how little spine the coalition of politicians behind leave have.

[Imperializt Russia]

I mean, they only need 100,000 valid signatories to have it debated in Parliament, right? Even if only 10% of the signatories are valid, they'll easily reach that number.

Even going by whatever the hell the "countries" list actually records, "UK" is three and a half times over the threshold.

[Dejanic]

The 2nd EU referendum petition is hit over 2.25 million. Let's help make it over 10 million.

16 million people voted for remain, so 2 million means nothing, since it's literally just 2 million of the 16 million remain voters who can't let go, exactly the same would of happened if we'd of voted to leave. Labour lost the election in 2015, it wouldn't of meant anything if all the Labour voters decided to start a petition to have a re-election. They lost.

[Neu Leonstein]

But to entertain you on this issue. No, they would not be excluded as they are British citizens.

And thus ends the "owe loyalty" argument.

[CoraSpia]

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/news/pol ... um-result/

1: Daniel Hannan isn't going to be Prime Minister, he's unlikely to even serve in the cabinet, he doesn't speak for leave, the whole immigration thing is his personal hope (Hannaan has always been pro immigration, he's always opposed the EU purely on democratic and economic terms).

2: Boris Johnson and others stated support for Cameron to stay on, the leave campaign did not kick him out or vote him or anything of the sort, he resigned, it was his choice to resign, he could of stayed on and pushed article 50.

3: No where on the battle bus or elsewhere did it say all 350 million would go to the NHS, it say's "lets fund our NHS" which implies a percentage of said money would go to the NHS, not all of it.

4: The pound crashed and went straight back up again. It means very little. The pound also crashed a few weeks ago. The pound rises and falls all the time. Unless we see a consistent fall over the coming weeks/months, it means nothing.

People also don't seem to realise that Nigel Farage is not a leader in vote leave, nor (I think) a member. He had no say on what they put on the battle bus, and so when he said that he wouldn't have made that claim, that's all he's saying.

[Imperializt Russia]

The 2nd EU referendum petition is hit over 2.25 million. Let's help make it over 10 million.

16 million people voted for remain, so 2 million means nothing, since it's literally just 2 million of the 16 million remain voters who can't let go, exactly the same would of happened if we'd of voted to leave. Labour lost the election in 2015, it wouldn't of meant anything if all the Labour voters decided to start a petition to have a re-election. They lost.

Leave voters would not have started a .gov petition, and it would never have gotten this big. Either possibility is absurd.

[CoraSpia]

lol johnson only signed that letter because he tohught leave was fucked and he was trying to not get slaughtered in the aftermath

Source?

[Dejanic]

lol johnson only signed that letter because he tohught leave was fucked and he was trying to not get slaughtered in the aftermath

No but the point is they didn't directly force him out. Cameron didn't have to go, but the article is implying that leave had a vote of no confidence put against him and forced him out of office or something which is literally bollox. He chose to go.

[The Blaatschapen]

If your not citizen you don't get a say in government. You don't get a say in a referendum or who the Prime Minister is. I;m sorry to be harsh but that's how it goes.

I repeat: I know what the rules are. I want to know what the justification is, because I have yet to hear one that actually makes sense.

This might be better for its own topic?

[CoraSpia]

16 million people voted for remain, so 2 million means nothing, since it's literally just 2 million of the 16 million remain voters who can't let go, exactly the same would of happened if we'd of voted to leave. Labour lost the election in 2015, it wouldn't of meant anything if all the Labour voters decided to start a petition to have a re-election. They lost.

Leave voters would not have started a .gov petition, and it would never have gotten this big. Either possibility is absurd.

How would you know this? We're not all computer-hating old people, you know.

[Ifreann]

I'm aware that they can't, in a very practical way. I am asking why that is.


Right... and what is "national self-interest", if it doesn't have to do with the society of a country as a whole (of which all residents form a part)?

Residents owe loyalty to other states and are not part of the nation. Its simple as that.

Plain, simple, and wrong.

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If your not citizen you don't get a say in government. You don't get a say in a referendum or who the Prime Minister is. I;m sorry to be harsh but that's how it goes.

But that isn't how it goes. I'm currently living with an Australian and a Maltese. We all went to vote in Thursday, as is our right in the UK.

It saddens me that people from Malta aren't Maltesers. Though I suppose they probably wouldn't feel the same way.

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But that isn't how it goes. I'm currently living with an Australian and a Maltese. We all went to vote in Thursday, as is our right in the UK.

That's because your a British Citizen. if someone who is for example a German Citizen working in London they should not have say because they are not a UK citizen.

Non-UK citizens were allowed to vote in this referendum. I'm given to understand that tens of thousands of Irish citizens were entitled to vote, though I have no idea how many actually did.

[Great Nepal]

Again with the jewluminati banker theories. Is that all you think bankers think about: "Oh boy, how can I fuck this country today because they didn't do as I expected?"

I already said i don't believe in conspiracy theories and yes it comes off that way. The people dared to vote against me so now i;m going to act like a child and throw a hissy fit and pull all my money out cut jobs and crash the economy.

Let me explain this in a simple flow:
UK votes to leave => UK losses tax free access to 500 million customers => Less reasons for companies to invest in UK => Lower value of assets => Selling of assets to not loose as much => Lower value of assets => Selling of assets to not loose as much => ...

Also,
UK votes to leave => Leave has no solid go to plan => People don't know what UK is going to look like 5 years from now => People don't want to put their money on something they don't know => Lower value of assets => Selling of assets to not loose as much => Lower value of assets => Selling of assets to not loose as much => ...

You see, as much as you might not want to believe this - universe does not revolve around the UK. Markets do what they do because they want to make money (and loose less money). Best way to make money is to have a lot of knowledge about what future is going to look like for your investment. When UK voted to leave, expectations for what future looks like got broken, and no one knows what future is going to look like for their investments in UK. They pull out to stop loosing money if it goes bad.

[CoraSpia]

lol johnson only signed that letter because he tohught leave was fucked and he was trying to not get slaughtered in the aftermath

No but the point is they didn't directly force him out. Cameron didn't have to go, but the article is implying that leave had a vote of no confidence put against him and forced him out of office or something which is literally bollox. He chose to go.

And he also chose to say he'd stay. I don't remember a leave campaigner waving a letter signed by Cameron saying 'If you vote leave, you'll keep Dave.'

[Dejanic]

16 million people voted for remain, so 2 million means nothing, since it's literally just 2 million of the 16 million remain voters who can't let go, exactly the same would of happened if we'd of voted to leave. Labour lost the election in 2015, it wouldn't of meant anything if all the Labour voters decided to start a petition to have a re-election. They lost.

Leave voters would not have started a .gov petition, and it would never have gotten this big. Either possibility is absurd.

The fact is a percentage of voters who voted remain starting a petition and asking for another referendum is pointless and completely misses the point of a referendum. It's very pathetic. But I'm not white knightish enough to act as if all leave voters are morally superior or something, we would of done exactly the same, it's human nature. And it would of been just as pathetic and would of meant just as little. Unless this petition actually goes over what the remain vote was, then it means nothing since it's literally just remain voters showing defiance.

[Tobiasia]

The 2nd EU referendum petition is hit over 2.25 million. Let's help make it over 10 million.

16 million people voted for remain, so 2 million means nothing, since it's literally just 2 million of the 16 million remain voters who can't let go, exactly the same would of happened if we'd of voted to leave. Labour lost the election in 2015, it wouldn't of meant anything if all the Labour voters decided to start a petition to have a re-election. They lost.

It is possible for them to receive a huge amount of signatures. Many leave voters say they wouldn't have voted leave if they knew they were actually going to win, it was just as a protest. Remain knows it would win a 2nd referendum, so it must try.

[CoraSpia]

Residents owe loyalty to other states and are not part of the nation. Its simple as that.

Plain, simple, and wrong.

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But that isn't how it goes. I'm currently living with an Australian and a Maltese. We all went to vote in Thursday, as is our right in the UK.

It saddens me that people from Malta aren't Maltesers. Though I suppose they probably wouldn't feel the same way.

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That's because your a British Citizen. if someone who is for example a German Citizen working in London they should not have say because they are not a UK citizen.

Non-UK citizens were allowed to vote in this referendum. I'm given to understand that tens of thousands of Irish citizens were entitled to vote, though I have no idea how many actually did.

My friend who's an American with Irish citizenship voted.

[The Qeiiam Star Cluster]

Non-UK citizens were allowed to vote in this referendum. I'm given to understand that tens of thousands of Irish citizens were entitled to vote, though I have no idea how many actually did.

What do you think they would have voted? Remain because they want the UK to stay or Leave because they want to mess with the English?