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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:10 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Does that matter?


Absolutely, only UK citizens should get a say in the UK remaining a member of the European Union.

You can be a UK citizen and live outside the country...
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:10 pm

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San Lumen wrote:yeah it does. It means its not representative.


You mean like this referendum?

Pretty much everyone was given a vote, and the turnout was one of the highest we've had in ages.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:11 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Does that matter?


Absolutely, only UK citizens should get a say in the UK remaining a member of the European Union.


You mean like the expat citizens who didn't get a say because of "clerical error"?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:11 pm

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Them pulling money out is them accepting the results.

No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.


Oh so you mean like Brexiteers just did?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:11 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Them pulling money out is them accepting the results.

No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.


Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:11 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:http://i.imgur.com/plFQksq.jpg


Because it's not like there are UK citizens living in those countries or anything.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:12 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Absolutely, only UK citizens should get a say in the UK remaining a member of the European Union.

Why not UK residents, rather than just citizens. After all, the non-citizen residents have the most at stake.

because non citizens cant vote. What they think is irrelevant in terms of elections and referendums.

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Postby The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:12 pm

Neu Leonstein wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Absolutely, only UK citizens should get a say in the UK remaining a member of the European Union.

Why not UK residents, rather than just citizens. After all, the non-citizen residents have the most at stake.

But then those foreigners that we're trying to throw out would be allowed to vote!

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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:12 pm

Arkolon wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:
Absolutely, only UK citizens should get a say in the UK remaining a member of the European Union.

You can be a UK citizen and live outside the country...

I thought you had to be a british resident to sign a government epetition? That's why it wants a post code.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.


Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.


^ This :clap:
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.


Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.

I;m not. Bankers and wealthy elite are acting childishly because the people voted against them and their masters in Brussels who are completely out of touch and those expressing regret to bloody bad. You should have thought about that before you voted.

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Postby Arkolon » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:13 pm

Coraspia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:You can be a UK citizen and live outside the country...

I thought you had to be a british resident to sign a government epetition? That's why it wants a post code.

The petition page clearly reads "Only British citizens or UK residents have the right to sign." and gives you an option of choosing any country in the world for a country of residence.
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:13 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.


Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.

the people acting childishly are the ones signing a petition to get a revote because they didn't like the results of a referendum they had a perfect amount of say on.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:13 pm

The Qeiiam Star Cluster wrote:
Neu Leonstein wrote:Why not UK residents, rather than just citizens. After all, the non-citizen residents have the most at stake.

But then those foreigners that we're trying to throw out would be allowed to vote!


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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:14 pm

Coraspia wrote:
Arkolon wrote:You can be a UK citizen and live outside the country...

I thought you had to be a british resident to sign a government epetition? That's why it wants a post code.


UK Citizen or British resident. The OR there means that Expats can sign too.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.

I;m not. Bankers and wealthy elite are acting childishly because the people voted against them and their masters in Brussels who are completely out of touch and those expressing regret to bloody bad. You should have thought about that before you voted.


Sure, sure, and the jewluminati bankers are laughing behind their corporate stronghold in Area 51.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:15 pm

Coraspia wrote:Since the referendum results weren't legally binding, hasn't the remain campaign been a bit deceptive to the average voter when it claimed all the doom and gloom that would happen if we left the EU as a definite thing?

When we hold referenda in Ireland we have an independent commission send out booklets of the facts of the matter to every household, run ads in broadcast and print media, and operate a website.

But then, we've been holding referenda semi-regularly for almost a hundred years. Stands to reason we're good at it. :P

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.

I;m not. Bankers and wealthy elite are acting childishly because the people voted against them and their masters in Brussels who are completely out of touch and those expressing regret to bloody bad. You should have thought about that before you voted.


Because it's not like the Leave campaign have admitted to basing their platform on lies or antything.
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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:15 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, democracy is only valid when it supports your side.

I never said that.

If anything, it's the other side saying that because they're the ones challenging a referendum that was conducted freely and farely.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:16 pm

Coraspia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.

the people acting childishly are the ones signing a petition to get a revote because they didn't like the results of a referendum they had a perfect amount of say on.

Exactly. There should not be a second vote under any circumstance. 72 percent of the electorate voted and they voted with a majority of 52 percent to leave and that's that! Those that lost don;'t get a do over just I don't get a do over when the candidate i voted for loses.

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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:16 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I;m not. Bankers and wealthy elite are acting childishly because the people voted against them and their masters in Brussels who are completely out of touch and those expressing regret to bloody bad. You should have thought about that before you voted.


Because it's not like the Leave campaign have admitted to basing their platform on lies or antything.

When?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:16 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:http://i.imgur.com/plFQksq.jpg

If you sum up the country data, there are presently 365,483 "UK" signatures, but every other country added together amounts to only 86,750.

So clearly, it's not the full figures.
the sum of all 650 constituencies is 2,233,767

You can find this easily yourself - the JSON data is available here:
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json
This website converts JSON data to an Excel CSV file:
https://json-csv.com/
And you can, as I just have, sum all the data fields to establish the totals.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:17 pm

Coraspia wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Much like the 52% who voted leave were? You can't eat your cake and have it buddy, democracy involves the freedom to vote with your feet and money just as much as to vote with your ballot.

You got the result you wanted now it's time for you to deal with the consequences, both good and bad. Stop acting so childishly just because things aren't going how you want them to.

the people acting childishly are the ones signing a petition to get a revote because they didn't like the results of a referendum they had a perfect amount of say on.


Yes, how dare people continue to be involved in the political process after a glorified poll.

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Postby Dejanic » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:17 pm

Coraspia wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Because it's not like the Leave campaign have admitted to basing their platform on lies or antything.

When?

Don't expect a genuine answer that doesn't involve twisting of the facts or outright insults. This is NSG, Karl Marx himself would blush if he read some of the comments these absolute warriors make on a daily basis.
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