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San Lumen
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:04 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:Most of the signatories on the second referendum petition are not from the UK.

If that;s true then good. It can be tossed out for the meaningless rubbish it is. Do you have a source for that?

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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:04 pm

San Lumen wrote:I already said i don't believe in conspiracy theories and yes it comes off that way. The people dared to vote against me so now i;m going to act like a child and throw a hissy fit and pull all my money out cut jobs and crash the economy.

That is not how financial markets work. People don't go around voluntarily losing money to spite you.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Again with the jewluminati banker theories. Is that all you think bankers think about: "Oh boy, how can I fuck this country today because they didn't do as I expected?"

I already said i don't believe in conspiracy theories and yes it comes off that way. The people dared to vote against me so now i;m going to act like a child and throw a hissy fit and pull all my money out cut jobs and crash the economy.


Which is, again, right up there with the jewish bankers and illuminati conspiracy theories.

If you don't want me telling you that you sound like a conspiracy theorist then perhaps you should stop making the assumption that investors are pulling out because "fuck those God damn brits, how dare they go against what I think is right?"
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:05 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Most of the signatories on the second referendum petition are not from the UK.

If that;s true then good. It can be tossed out for the meaningless rubbish it is. Do you have a source for that?


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Postby Great Feng » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:05 pm

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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:05 pm

Since the referendum results weren't legally binding, hasn't the remain campaign been a bit deceptive to the average voter when it claimed all the doom and gloom that would happen if we left the EU as a definite thing?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:05 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:If that;s true then good. It can be tossed out for the meaningless rubbish it is. Do you have a source for that?


Remember, democracy is only valid when it supports your side.

I never said that.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:06 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:Most of the signatories on the second referendum petition are not from the UK.

Does that matter?

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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:06 pm

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Postby CoraSpia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:06 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, democracy is only valid when it supports your side.

I never said that.

How is a big petition democracy? It's more like a noisy demonstration.
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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:06 pm

Coraspia wrote:I've provided a post code of a friend when I was signing him up to a petition when he couldn't get to a computer, so sure you can.

But you can look up the postcodes for the votes. Unless the signatories are doing an exceptionally good job distributing their fake entries, it sure does look like it's people from the UK who know how British postcodes work.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:07 pm

Coraspia wrote:Since the referendum results weren't legally binding, hasn't the remain campaign been a bit deceptive to the average voter when it claimed all the doom and gloom that would happen if we left the EU as a definite thing?


no because it's already happening literally right now.

even if we stay in the EU all the special privileges we had are gone. they have us over the barrel.
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Postby Greater Mackonia » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Most of the signatories on the second referendum petition are not from the UK.

Does that matter?


Absolutely, only UK citizens should get a say in the UK remaining a member of the European Union.
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:07 pm

Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I already said i don't believe in conspiracy theories and yes it comes off that way. The people dared to vote against me so now i;m going to act like a child and throw a hissy fit and pull all my money out cut jobs and crash the economy.


Which is, again, right up there with the jewish bankers and illuminati conspiracy theories.

If you don't want me telling you that you sound like a conspiracy theorist then perhaps you should stop making the assumption that investors are pulling out because "fuck those God damn brits, how dare they go against what I think is right?"


How about they accept the results instead of pulling money out and cutting jobs and all around panicking and throwing a temper tantrum because the people decided enough with out of touch elites in Brussels.

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Postby The Qeiiam Star Cluster » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:07 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Most of the signatories on the second referendum petition are not from the UK.

Does that matter?

How many signatories are required to have it discussed in Parliament? 100,000? Last time I checked, it had almost 2 million signatories, so even if only 10% of them were from the UK, they'll reach that number.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:08 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Greater Mackonia wrote:Most of the signatories on the second referendum petition are not from the UK.

Does that matter?

yeah it does. It means its not representative.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:08 pm

Coraspia wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I never said that.

How is a big petition democracy? It's more like a noisy demonstration.


Oh so now referendums are democracy but petitions are just "those uppity rubble rousers"?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Which is, again, right up there with the jewish bankers and illuminati conspiracy theories.

If you don't want me telling you that you sound like a conspiracy theorist then perhaps you should stop making the assumption that investors are pulling out because "fuck those God damn brits, how dare they go against what I think is right?"


How about they accept the results instead of pulling money out and cutting jobs and all around panicking and throwing a temper tantrum because the people decided enough with out of touch elites in Brussels.


Them pulling money out is them accepting the results.

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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:08 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Does that matter?

yeah it does. It means its not representative.


You mean like this referendum?
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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:09 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
How about they accept the results instead of pulling money out and cutting jobs and all around panicking and throwing a temper tantrum because the people decided enough with out of touch elites in Brussels.


Them pulling money out is them accepting the results.

No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.

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Postby San Lumen » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:10 pm

Vassenor wrote:
San Lumen wrote:yeah it does. It means its not representative.


You mean like this referendum?

It is representative. 72 percent of the electorate voted with a majority of 52 percent to leave the EU if that's not representative then please tell me what is.

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Soldati Senza Confini wrote:
Which is, again, right up there with the jewish bankers and illuminati conspiracy theories.

If you don't want me telling you that you sound like a conspiracy theorist then perhaps you should stop making the assumption that investors are pulling out because "fuck those God damn brits, how dare they go against what I think is right?"


How about they accept the results instead of pulling money out and cutting jobs and all around panicking and throwing a temper tantrum because the people decided enough with out of touch elites in Brussels.


Because they're not poor people who can't lose millions of [insert currency] overnight if they don't?
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Tekania wrote:Welcome to NSG, where informed opinions get to bump-heads with ignorant ideology under the pretense of an equal footing.

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Postby Neu Leonstein » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:10 pm

Greater Mackonia wrote:Absolutely, only UK citizens should get a say in the UK remaining a member of the European Union.

Why not UK residents, rather than just citizens. After all, the non-citizen residents have the most at stake.
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Postby Vassenor » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Them pulling money out is them accepting the results.

No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.


Newsflash: That's what corporations and investors do.
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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Jun 25, 2016 1:10 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Them pulling money out is them accepting the results.

No its not. Its them being selfish and only thinking of themselves.


it is literally their job to do that
ask moderation about reading serious moderation candidates TGs without telling them about it until afterwards and/or apparently refusing to confirm/deny the exact timeline of TG reading ~~~ i hope you never sent any of the recent mods or the ones that got really close anything personal!

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