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Postby Olerand » Wed Aug 03, 2016 8:45 am

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Olerand wrote:God bless May for postponing the position on Hinkley Point and hopefully she'll torpedo the whole thing. EDF is building the fucking thing (using EPR technology which has become a quasi-failure in Flamanville and Finland), as well as providing 2/3 of the funding, and the project will cost more than EDF's current total market capitalization as the nuclear industry has collapsed in the last few years. This is a project that just might sink EDF, and May is doing us a favor by postponing this thing. If China's pissed, let it take on the entirety of the funding and responsibility.

If it were to go ahead, EDF wouldn't be sunk by it, unless it somehow transpired the EPR were completely impossible to work.

And the EPR passed the ONR's notoriously stringent design agreement phase, so that clearly isn't the case.

Outside of the failure of EDF to deliver on Flamanville 3, the company's current market capitalization is 23,3 billion Euros, Hinkley Point will cost 24 and a half billion. All of the unions in EDF have announced their opposition, and several of its directors have resigned. EDF, like all nuclear companies today, is struggling, and it cannot risk running over and above the already determined schedule and cost, not to mention that not a single EPR reactor is functioning today, the closest are in China and they're not working yet.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:11 am


Fucking lol.

Never was there a chart that was more wholly representative of "British exceptionalism".
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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:23 am

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Fucking lol.

Never was there a chart that was more wholly representative of "British exceptionalism".

12525 voters split between 16 countries is a hideously small sample.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:25 am

Coraspia wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Fucking lol.

Never was there a chart that was more wholly representative of "British exceptionalism".

12525 voters split between 16 countries is a hideously small sample.

Gallup manages to court respectability off 1000-3000 respondents per each of its studies.
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Postby Vassenor » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:28 am

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Coraspia wrote:12525 voters split between 16 countries is a hideously small sample.

Gallup manages to court respectability off 1000-3000 respondents per each of its studies.


How big is the sample from that Pew survey that everyone keeps throwing around as proof that all Muslims everywhere want ultra-conservative Sharia to be the law of all nations (despite saying the exact opposite)?
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:32 am


You'd think they'd have included Ireland.

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Postby Alvecia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 7:34 am

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Coraspia wrote:12525 voters split between 16 countries is a hideously small sample.

Gallup manages to court respectability off 1000-3000 respondents per each of its studies.

Pretty sure any study or poll would be fucking thrilled to get 12k respondents
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:45 am

Considering that the BoE just cut interest rates to .25% and have increased QE, wouldn't this be a great oppertunity to massively boost infrastructure spending with low interest loans while paying off the higher intrest loans?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 8:59 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:Considering that the BoE just cut interest rates to .25% and have increased QE, wouldn't this be a great oppertunity to massively boost infrastructure spending with low interest loans while paying off the higher intrest loans?

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:42 am

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Dooom35796821595 wrote:Considering that the BoE just cut interest rates to .25% and have increased QE, wouldn't this be a great oppertunity to massively boost infrastructure spending with low interest loans while paying off the higher intrest loans?

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I assume that's due to the fact that no electable government would actually do that? Or do you have something to say about how the actual idea wouldn't work?
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Postby Arkolon » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:51 am

Dooom35796821595 wrote:Considering that the BoE just cut interest rates to .25% and have increased QE, wouldn't this be a great oppertunity to massively boost infrastructure spending with low interest loans while paying off the higher intrest loans?

For deficit spending it's bond yields that matter more, and they've been shrinking very quickly since 2008, likely helped by all this new QE money going to buy them. They're already pitifully low which is a sign people are craving more bonds. It's been prime time to do what you're saying since at least 2010.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 9:54 am

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I assume that's due to the fact that no electable government would actually do that? Or do you have something to say about how the actual idea wouldn't work?

Absolutely the former.

I disagree that no electable government would have, certainly the government we had wouldn't.
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Postby Zeinbrad » Thu Aug 04, 2016 12:19 pm


Wow, the French are assholes. If the polling data means anything.
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Postby Souseiseki » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:11 pm

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Wow, the French are assholes. If the polling data means anything.


i don't want to get a warning so i will preface my post with a nod to france's long history of self-interest, pride in its self-interest and antagonism towards the UK in so far as the european project in concerned but lol if this is anything new to you
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:19 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Wow, the French are assholes. If the polling data means anything.


i don't want to get a warning so i will preface my post with a nod to france's long history of self-interest, pride in its self-interest and antagonism towards the UK in so far as the european project in concerned but lol if this is anything new to you

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Postby Zeinbrad » Thu Aug 04, 2016 1:20 pm

Souseiseki wrote:
Zeinbrad wrote:Wow, the French are assholes. If the polling data means anything.


i don't want to get a warning so i will preface my post with a nod to france's long history of self-interest, pride in its self-interest and antagonism towards the UK in so far as the european project in concerned but lol if this is anything new to you

I know. I was trying to make a similar joke.

It is kinda of funny.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:55 pm


"Let's wipe out three years of savings from not paying the EU to pay the EU!"
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Postby Ifreann » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:03 pm


It's just a correction?

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Postby Vassenor » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:06 pm

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It's just a correction?


Well according to a 2014 Telegraph report it was £34 billion, so maybe.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 04, 2016 3:54 pm

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Ifreann wrote:It's just a correction?


Well according to a 2014 Telegraph report it was £34 billion, so maybe.

Wouldn't that have been like 40+ billion Euros?
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Postby Great Nepal » Fri Aug 05, 2016 1:34 am


From the link “A deal with Great Britain is unimaginable if the British have not paid their outstanding debt,” according to the E.U. official", so does that mean we can't leave until we pay €25 billion, and if so can we arrange an installment plan of €1 million per year with interest rate of 101% annually?
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