UK Referendum Thread [Moderator Sanctioned]

[Souseiseki]

literally why

Because they are like that because of an EC agreement I think is the argument.

i mean, i'm not gonna lie, i can understand why they might see it as a symbol, even if it's just a passport colour, but if it's like that because of an EC agreement to make it work with machines then they're basically just making life harder for britons in the future for no other reason than "nyah nyah"

[Socialist Czechia]

But seriously, my passport has about four years on it. I am not paying £100 before then just because some racists don't like exactly what is embossed on the cover or exactly what shade of ink it's dyed in.

100 pounds? seriously? there it costs 600 crowns/18 pounds.

4000 crowns/125 pounds it costs only if you want it in 6 days.

[Vassenor]

But seriously, my passport has about four years on it. I am not paying £100 before then just because some racists don't like exactly what is embossed on the cover or exactly what shade of ink it's dyed in.

100 pounds? seriously? there it costs 600 crowns/18 pounds.

4000 crowns/125 pounds it costs only if you want it in 6 days.

Yes seriously.

[Imperializt Russia]

Because they are like that because of an EC agreement I think is the argument.

i mean, i'm not gonna lie, i can understand why they might see it as a symbol, even if it's just a passport colour, but if it's like that because of an EC agreement to make it work with machines then they're basically just making life harder for britons in the future for no other reason than "nyah nyah"

To be fair, the colour change was to be machine-readable by 1988 standard machines.

Manchester Airport has face recognition on its main arrivals security lane. They can probably handle a blue passport.
Though apparently we rigidly enforce number plate regulations in this country because ANPR actually has a really hard time reading foreign and non-standard plates to the point of illegibility.

[Vassenor]

Don’t believe the hype about economic good news

[Maoist Britain]

The capitalist powers wanted a Brexit. The EU was on the way to socialism.

[Imperializt Russia]

The capitalist powers wanted a Brexit. The EU was on the way to socialism.

The EU is a staunchly neoliberal organisation.

It's certainly true that the British political establishment is more neoliberal than the EU, though the EU was on no such path.

[Maoist Britain]

The capitalist powers wanted a Brexit. The EU was on the way to socialism.

The EU is a staunchly neoliberal organisation.

It's certainly true that the British political establishment is more neoliberal than the EU, though the EU was on no such path.

It is too late now. Britain will now never have a utopian revolution.

[Arkolon]

The capitalist powers wanted a Brexit. The EU was on the way to socialism.

See the hilarious thing about this argument is that just before the referendum the capitalist powers didn't want a Brexit and that's why a Remain win was without a shadow of a doubt.

[Dooom35796821595]

The EU is a staunchly neoliberal organisation.

It's certainly true that the British political establishment is more neoliberal than the EU, though the EU was on no such path.

It is too late now. Britain will now never have a utopian revolution.

We don't do revolutions, we're British.

And dosen't utopia basically mean dream land?

[The Nihilistic view]

Because they are like that because of an EC agreement I think is the argument.

i mean, i'm not gonna lie, i can understand why they might see it as a symbol, even if it's just a passport colour, but if it's like that because of an EC agreement to make it work with machines then they're basically just making life harder for britons in the future for no other reason than "nyah nyah"

The machine thing is the size of the passports I think. Changing the colour but keeping the same dimensions and text areas would not affect that I would not have thought.

[The Nihilistic view]

It is too late now. Britain will now never have a utopian revolution.

We don't do revolutions, we're British.

And dosen't utopia basically mean dream land?

When we do revolutions we invent things like work.

[Vassenor]

Like I said, it boggles my mind how some people think that getting blue passport covers back is somehow the most important issue facing the country right now.

[The Nihilistic view]

Like I said, it boggles my mind how some people think that getting blue passport covers back is somehow the most important issue facing the country right now.

Yeah, the most important thing is removing the EU stuff from the passport. Colour can be debated at a later date.

[Vassenor]

Like I said, it boggles my mind how some people think that getting blue passport covers back is somehow the most important issue facing the country right now.

Yeah, the most important thing is removing the EU stuff from the passport. Colour can be debated at a later date.

Like I said, all that is likely to change is that the EUROPEAN UNION die gets taken out of the embossing machine.

In fact there are only two references to the EU in a British passport: Embossed on the front cover and printed on the first page.

[Souseiseki]

no seriously i want to see nigel command britain to get a nail file out and tediously scrape off the european union part

[Souseiseki]

SCRAPE FOR BRITAIN

[Socialist Czechia]

Does people realize, that EU, TTIP and other ways to make free trade/no barriers stuff will make corporations more powerful? That's why no one in the City wanted brexit.

If world remained shattered into tiny pieces, signed treaties were nothing like before, yes, there would be more chaos and more poverty, but companies would have more troubles to just survive in such a world, struggling in numerous civil wars, revolutions and oldschool hardcore wars between sovereign states.

because, wars and revolutions are actually bad on bussiness - you can gain much, but lost even much more.
not saying, of course, they are no companies/billionaires quite enjoying wars - not much into Illuminati/bilderberg fairytales, though.

[Ifreann]

SCRAPE FOR BRITAIN

Take control of your passports.

[Ifreann]

Does people realize, that EU, TTIP and other ways to make free trade/no barriers stuff will make corporations more powerful? That's why no one in the City wanted brexit.

If world remained shattered into tiny pieces, signed treaties were nothing like before, yes, there would be more chaos and more poverty, but companies would have more troubles to just survive in such a world, struggling in numerous civil wars, revolutions and oldschool hardcore wars between sovereign states.

because, wars and revolutions are actually bad on bussiness - you can gain much, but lost even much more.
not saying, of course, they are no companies/billionaires quite enjoying wars - not much into Illuminati/bilderberg fairytales, though.

So you're saying Brexit is going to throw the world into chaos and cause poverty, wars, and revolutions?

[Ariasteppe]

The capitalist powers wanted a Brexit. The EU was on the way to socialism.

The EU is a staunchly neoliberal organisation.

It's certainly true that the British political establishment is more neoliberal than the EU, though the EU was on no such path.

Yeah, the EU is a staunch adherent to the tenets of Monetarism. Free trade, austerity, inflation targetting, tax reductionism... Not exactly one's image of social democracy, never mind any form of socialism. It's a good piece of evidence that the political centre is actually centre-right, that we're so far right that the EU appears socialist to people.

[Arkolon]

The EU is a staunchly neoliberal organisation.

It's certainly true that the British political establishment is more neoliberal than the EU, though the EU was on no such path.

Yeah, the EU is a staunch adherent to the tenets of Monetarism. Free trade, austerity, inflation targetting, tax reductionism... Not exactly one's image of social democracy, never mind any form of socialism. It's a good piece of evidence that the political centre is actually centre-right, that we're so far right that the EU appears socialist to people.

This is more an entrenchment of German macroeconomics in EU policymaking than the EU itself. Germans felt as if their internal devaluation in the early 2000s made them more flexible and, therefore, avoid the GFC. Germans saw the GFC as the failure of Anglo-Saxon capitalism and take the high ground by trying to impose austerity and internal devaluation since, in their eyes, it's the model that worked. It's not a fundamental EU thing, it's pretty much entirely contingent on how events unfolded over the past fifteen years.

[Llamalandia]

The capitalist powers wanted a Brexit. The EU was on the way to socialism.

The EU is a staunchly neoliberal organisation.

It's certainly true that the British political establishment is more neoliberal than the EU, though the EU was on no such path.

Not entirely sure I'd agree with that statement about the eu or at the very least I would say your characterization is slightly misleading. After all the EU was really just supposed to be about establishing an economic union and providing a single common market, so yeah, in the sense that by its very it is about promoting free trade, yeah it is economically neoliberal.
However in the past decade it has been moving its focus more and more to political union as well. Also look things like tax harmonization which aim to put a floor on minimum taxes members can charge, that seems not so neoliberal to me. But yeah Britain is further neoliberal and closer to the USA than the eu as a whole.

[Llamalandia]

no seriously i want to see nigel command britain to get a nail file out and tediously scrape off the european union part

Sorry but he is enjoying his hard earned and well deserved retirement. Boris might be available though.

[Llamalandia]

Yeah, the EU is a staunch adherent to the tenets of Monetarism. Free trade, austerity, inflation targetting, tax reductionism... Not exactly one's image of social democracy, never mind any form of socialism. It's a good piece of evidence that the political centre is actually centre-right, that we're so far right that the EU appears socialist to people.

This is more an entrenchment of German macroeconomics in EU policymaking than the EU itself. Germans felt as if their internal devaluation in the early 2000s made them more flexible and, therefore, avoid the GFC. Germans saw the GFC as the failure of Anglo-Saxon capitalism and take the high ground by trying to impose austerity and internal devaluation since, in their eyes, it's the model that worked. It's not a fundamental EU thing, it's pretty much entirely contingent on how events unfolded over the past fifteen years.

Ok but isn't Germany's economy pretty awesome at the moment? Seems like they are kinda doing something right over there.